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Bust Rodd posted:Nobody would play “Commander but only with Pioneer cards” at that point you just have a regular commander deck. Lots and lots of players from the last 5 years have Commander decks built, not every mander-player is going back in time to tweak their deck full of Urza’s Saga stuff. That's why I think pioneer is more suited to brawl than it is commander. Let commander be the legacy format that spans the full history of the game, but make brawl an eternal format with much fewer busted cards and no rotation. I know there would be some issues to work out banlist-wise, but after that I think it'd be a very neat format.
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Framboise posted:That's why I think pioneer is more suited to brawl than it is commander. Let commander be the legacy format that spans the full history of the game, but make brawl an eternal format with much fewer busted cards and no rotation. I know there would be some issues to work out banlist-wise, but after that I think it'd be a very neat format. At that point i just don't see there being any point in making it a distinct format. "Commander but only cards from the last 8 years" just describes over 2/3 of the Commander decks at my LGS. Brawl being "only standard" is the most interesting cut-off to me, because Standard cards are the cards you see the absolute least of in Commander, traditionally. What I mean is for me, untuning my EDH decks to be PIONEER ONLY would be a chore, but for most of the people I play with, they might have to change fewer than 10 cards in all of their decks combined Bust Rodd fucked around with this message at 15:42 on Nov 6, 2019 |
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Counterpoint: buying a Gauntlet of Might and jamming it into my Feldon deck was one of my favorite MTG memories as it's the only format I'd realistically be able to play it in
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Paul Zuvella posted:Hmmm I wonder what these numbers formatted xx.xx are. It’s a mystery. That's why we invented unit symbols! There is no indication of units nor indication of summing a unit cost. There's also no title on the column. I will not be shamed for someone else's poorly presented information.
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Perry Mason Jar posted:That's why we invented unit symbols! There is no indication of units nor indication of summing a unit cost. There's also no title on the column. I will not be shamed for someone else's poorly presented information. Well you absolutely should be lmfao
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Hey I didn't reply to your post because I wanted to just let you go on and feel intellectually superior to a stranger on the internet. You go right on and do that bud it's fine
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Nov 6, 2019 16:30
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oko costs 1UG, but 1UG what? 1UG dollars? 1UG pounds? clarity please wizards
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Nov 6, 2019 16:41
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Perry Mason Jar posted:Nope, you're right. My confusion on cost came from here: we were all big noob at some point, Perry Mason Jar
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The card costs ~$19 if you click through.*
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Perry Mason Jar posted:Hey I didn't reply to your post because I wanted to just let you go on and feel intellectually superior to a stranger on the internet. You go right on and do that bud it's fine People in this thread are mean for fun sometimes, it's like a rite of initiation kinda
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What is a card? A miserable little pile of dollars!
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Perry Mason Jar posted:Hey I didn't reply to your post because I wanted to just let you go on and feel intellectually superior to a stranger on the internet. You go right on and do that bud it's fine I still wonder what the final straw was that ran mcmagic out of this thread.
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Being banned for D&D posts, I thought?
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sit on my Facebook posted:People in this thread are mean for fun sometimes, it's like a rite of initiation kinda It's all good 80s James Hetfield posted:I still wonder what the final straw was that ran mcmagic out of this thread. I don't know who that is or how it relates to my post but now I wonder that, too.
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80s James Hetfield posted:I still wonder what the final straw was that ran mcmagic out of this thread. I'd like to take credit for that personally, but I think that it was probably a group effort.
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sit on my Facebook posted:People in this thread are mean for fun sometimes, it's like a rite of initiation kinda Magic players broadly think it's funny and cute and endearing to constantly subtly (and overtly) berate and troll each other, when it's in fact incredibly transparent as a desire to demonstrate themselves as intellectually superior. It's why magic twitter is mostly a cesspool and why this thread has some of the worst posters.
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80s James Hetfield posted:I still wonder what the final straw was that ran mcmagic out of this thread. All formats are kind of sucking hard right now and he (like quite a few people) are taking a break. (I assume)
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Toshimo posted:What is a card? Shame we never got a decent Castlevania reference in any of the Innistrad sets.
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ShaneB posted:Magic players broadly think it's funny and cute and endearing to constantly subtly (and overtly) berate and troll each other, when it's in fact incredibly transparent as a desire to demonstrate themselves as intellectually superior. It's why magic twitter is mostly a cesspool and why this thread has some of the worst posters. really this thread has some terrible posters in it and we should all be ashamed
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Mat Cauthon posted:Shame we never got a decent Castlevania reference in any of the Innistrad sets. Aside from a Vampire Killer whip, how could you tell if something was from Castlevania or just a direct riff on gothic horror?
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Sorin as a flipwalker but he's a lizard on the planeswalker side.
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whydirt posted:Aside from a Vampire Killer whip, how could you tell if something was from Castlevania or just a direct riff on gothic horror? Wall Turkey
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whydirt posted:Aside from a Vampire Killer whip, how could you tell if something was from Castlevania or just a direct riff on gothic horror? If it took the form of a patchislot machine.
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whydirt posted:Aside from a Vampire Killer whip, how could you tell if something was from Castlevania or just a direct riff on gothic horror? Toshimo posted:Wall Turkey I would also accept a Dhampir creature or a land that makes "vampire hunter" tokens.
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human creature that you can sac to turn into a pile of Secret tokens
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Perry Mason Jar posted:That's why we invented unit symbols! There is no indication of units nor indication of summing a unit cost. There's also no title on the column. I will not be shamed for someone else's poorly presented information. There's no units because there's an Online tab (for MTGO prices where it's the price in Event Tickets) and a Paper tab (where it's the dollar cost from TCGPlayer Mid.) Switching back and forth and adding/removing a unit symbol would look weird.
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Toshimo posted:Wall Turkey Wall of Mysteries (3) Artifact Creature - Wall Defender T, sac: create a food token 0/5
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ShaneB posted:Magic players broadly think it's funny and cute and endearing to constantly subtly (and overtly) berate and troll each other, when it's in fact incredibly transparent as a desire to demonstrate themselves as intellectually superior. It's why magic twitter is mostly a cesspool and why this thread has some of the worst posters. *high on power* *whispers* you're not the smartest man in the room anymore -all of wotc(nerds(people)), ever
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Hellsau posted:There's no units because there's an Online tab (for MTGO prices where it's the price in Event Tickets) and a Paper tab (where it's the dollar cost from TCGPlayer Mid.) Switching back and forth and adding/removing a unit symbol would look weird. Ooh, fair enough fair enough. Still if you added a title that read "Cost (Total)" it would be helpful. Ultimately this is really only a problem if you click on that link blindly with no familiarity with the site and you don't bother to click around and you're dumb as poo poo, lol, but still
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Let's talk about magic content again Here's another brew for pioneer, the newest and best format https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/2435130#paper Wishclaw Talisman just has to be a good card right? I think so, and combining it with Karn to break the symmetry and tutor up bullets from the full 75 seems like a great way to start. If I can win even a single game with Great Creator +1 on a Parhelion, I'll consider it a resounding success.
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little munchkin posted:we were all big noob at some point, Perry Mason Jar Big noob, big life
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sit on my Facebook posted:Let's talk about magic content again Okay! So check this out: I'm noob. Word. I didn't do any research and bought the Spellslinger's Starter Kit. I only have mild regrets. Yesterday I ordered two battledecks. I also have one U/G welcome deck (30/30). So the cards I have (excluding Revised Edition cards I inherited) can be found in these lists: Green/Blue Welcome Decks: https://mtg.gamepedia.com/Core_Set_2020/Welcome_decks Red/White Starter Kit Decks: https://mtg.gamepedia.com/Core_Set_2020/Spellslinger_Starter_Kit Savage Reign Battle Deck: http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/savage-reign/ Out of Hand Battle Deck: http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/30-05-19-out-of-hand/ Aiming to slowly build a decent-like Standard deck or maybe Brawl deck or both or whatever. So far I think Blue has been most fun for me but I side-stepped it when choosing a Battledeck because Savage Reign has great value for the price (  ) and gives me a good mix of lands that I can build up from. I haven't touched Black yet; my girlfriend chose the Black deck (Out of Hand) so that's why I have that (she also has never played Black, we're both noob). Well my question is if any of these cards get me towards a satisfying Standard deck for FNM and/or what singles I should be targeting - especially, of course, rares and mythics. I'm not too bothered about the color/strat right now, I'll have fun either way, so just whatever gets me there. Perry Mason Jar fucked around with this message at 19:28 on Nov 6, 2019 |
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Perry Mason Jar posted:Okay! So check this out: I'm noob. Word. I didn't do any research and bought the Spellslinger's Starter Kit. I only have mild regrets. Yesterday I ordered two battledecks. I also have one U/G welcome deck (30/30). So the cards I have (excluding Revised Edition cards I inherited) can be found in these lists: Well, Savage Reign has 15 cards in it that are not even standard legal, so like, half of the deck needs to be replaced to even bring it to FNM. Out of Hand is even worse, only 11 of those cards are standard legal. Honestly these are all extremely far from being playable at virtually any FNM event, regardless of format Paul Zuvella fucked around with this message at 19:38 on Nov 6, 2019 |
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Rats! Oh well. Guess I'll just need to whole hog a budget deck that can scale up then.
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Turns out Oko is becoming more and more common in Pioneer for those that care.
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Sickening posted:Turns out Oko is becoming more and more common in Pioneer for those that care. Oko more like, Oh no!
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Perry Mason Jar posted:Okay! So check this out: I'm noob. Word. I didn't do any research and bought the Spellslinger's Starter Kit. I only have mild regrets. Yesterday I ordered two battledecks. I also have one U/G welcome deck (30/30). So the cards I have (excluding Revised Edition cards I inherited) can be found in these lists: Well... I regret to inform you that no, none of these really get you close to a deck that's going to get you any match wins at an FNM. My recommendation would be the Budget Magic series at mtggoldfish, the site I linked to for that pioneer decklist. Something like this, for instance: https://www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/budget-magic-77-standard-affinity-standard-magic-arena is a fully playable standard deck you can buy starting from zero for less than $80, and probably substantially less than that if you were to go buy the list off of tcgplayer.com as the listed prices on mtggoldfish tend to be slightly higher than the actual purchase prices you can find with a little smart shopping. The budget magic articles will also frequently include an ultra-budget version for extreme penny pinching. Browsing through a few of those lists will also serve to give you a good idea of standard rares/mythics that are actually good enough to be playable without being $$$
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Also, don't be afraid to spring for cards that aren't near mint or lightly played. While a budget standard deck shaves off less compared to, say, a commander deck does with less-than-perfect cards, money is money.
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Thanks for the help! Would angling for a Pioneer deck be cheaper or about the same?
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Pioneer is as cheap as it’s been going to be right now.
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