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Gatts posted:Good strategy by hedging bets for the Justice Dems backing Warren and Bernie while still showing support for each other to calm followers from canceling them. Looking at CSPAM it didn’t work and now Preslley is an establishment shill.
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BonoMan posted:It is very very unlikely though. From that article. oh okay, even though the rules let them do it, they never would because it would be bad optics and uncharted waters. thanks, I feel lots better
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https://twitter.com/aldotcom/status/1192187600452407298 "No no no, we really don't mean to prohibit free speech. Why would you get that idea?"
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Petr posted:oh okay, even though the rules let them do it, they never would because it would be bad optics and uncharted waters. thanks, I feel lots better The rules don't let them do it, the dude is pretending they do.
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That legislature option is only to establish a different criteria for counting or not counting votes, which again must be objective and impartial to be constitutional. That might matter if someone won by like 30 votes, then they can say "hey, ballots spoiled in this way count, and ballots spoiled in this other way don't count, we're clarifying what is required for provisional ballots to count, and what do you know, the vote changed by 32 votes, what a coincidence!" The margin is too large for minor changes in vote counting standards to matter. They can't go "yo, gently caress this vote, Bevin wins".
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Petr posted:oh okay, even though the rules let them do it, they never would because it would be bad optics and uncharted waters. thanks, I feel lots better We're not relying on optics. The courts will not let them do what you think they will do.
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i was being cheeky about the AOC tweet btw oh, also too. in the excitement over winning the KY governorship, i completely forgot one salient issue: what's the breakdown of republicans in the state house(s)? do they have veto proof majorities?
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Also, Bevin is literally the least popular Republican in the state and local politicians were throwing him under the bus as soon as it looked like he was losing. Tying themselves even more tightly to him would be legislative suicide.
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Also, the last KY governor who attempted to do that is literally the only sitting governor in American history to be assassinated.
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Rigel posted:The courts generally are pretty vicious about smacking this sort of poo poo down. They would need to come up with overwhelming proof that someone or a group or specific people were changing votes or stuffing the ballot, and that the vote totals could be corrected in Bevin's favor. (If it were somehow unable to be corrected, the remedy would be a special election) They did find wierd ballot stuffing cases in Kentucky though... In the GOP 
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my bony fealty posted:It is them attempting to steal an election in plain sight.
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rudy doing his regular weekly Unprompted Admission Of A Crime https://twitter.com/marty_lederman/status/1192202823435317248 now that's what i call an admission against interest lol
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eke out posted:https://twitter.com/RebeccaBuck/status/1192202031089508352 Trump is going to endorse Roy Moore and tear the party apart 
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Mr Interweb posted:Look at this sellout: https://twitter.com/mark_gander3/status/1192141094835769350?s=20 https://twitter.com/mark_gander3/status/1192143631555055617 https://twitter.com/mark_gander3/status/1192143907577978880 a response chain i found funny/hosed up. eke out posted:https://twitter.com/RebeccaBuck/status/1192202031089508352 trump will go hard against sessions and for pedo moore or whoever. than it will be a shitshow.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:https://twitter.com/mark_gander3/status/1192141094835769350?s=20
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Looking at CSPAM it didn’t work and now Preslley is an establishment shill. Purity fails the test again.
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Old Kentucky Shark posted:Also, the last KY governor who attempted to do that is literally the only sitting governor in American history to be assassinated. I watched a timely YouTube about him today!
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This is a good article. It reminds me that outside of the racism, the GOP has nothing. Their actual policies and plans are deeply unpopular. Kansas's governor was voted out for similar reasons, and remember that Trump's approval rating was at it's lowest when the GOP was trying to kill off the ACA and then pass their tax cut for the wealthy. https://www.vox.com/2019/11/6/20951510/matt-bevin-kentucky-governor-loss-beshear-medicaid-teacher quote:But it’s also wrong to assume Bevin’s loss was just about him. His defeat was a defeat for some of the core issues in the Republican Party. Bevin is politically toxic because for four years he aggressively pushed a pretty standard conservative agenda. He signed laws to mandate ultrasounds and require that health care providers show patients pictures of fetuses before performing an abortion. The state passed conservative labor laws, including a “right to work” policy to undercut unions, and repealed the prevailing wage, which guaranteed public works employees base salaries. Bevin allowed charter schools to come to Kentucky while proposing cuts to public schools. Outside of Trump's racism and dementia ranting, there is nothing. When Republicans actually try to run on the policies, their own base hates them. I think when leftists stick to bread and butter issues, this is why they succeed. Look at Danica Roem - she runs on local issues she knows her constituents care about in a formerly conservative district, and they love her. Her GOP opponents had ZERO arguments against her political views, so they attacked her for being transgender - and got slaughtered electorally twice for it.
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:More TD reacts for those interested I like how this person is skirting around the idea that the problems we're facing go beyond typical points of political division in a fairly awkward way. I hope their congressional bid launches without any major hiccups!
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Mr Interweb posted:i was being cheeky about the AOC tweet btw Apparently KY requires a simple majority to override vetos.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Looking at CSPAM it didn’t work and now Preslley is an establishment shill. She has been an establishment shill well before this. She voted for that bill to ban BDS months ago.
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Mr Interweb posted:i was being cheeky about the AOC tweet btw It's a simple majority to override a Veto. Yeah....
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PerniciousKnid posted:Apparently KY requires a simple majority to override vetos. why even give the governor veto power in the first place then lol
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goethe.cx posted:why even give the governor veto power in the first place then lol It’s left over from the pre Civil Rights Act days I’m sure.
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goethe.cx posted:why even give the governor veto power in the first place then lol Many rules of our country revolve around the idea that everyone involved is acting in good faith.
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Could we meaningfully destabilize or destroy the Mexican cartels even if we wanted to? I don't fully understand their operating structure, but they seem to be at least as well organized as ISIS and better armed. Of course I'd love to see them dismantled, but is that actually a feasible near-term outcome if the force of the US military was brought to bear on the problem?
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Trump knows the trial has started in the minds of Americans. Thats why he went to the baseball game. He thought he could dick ride the military and get cheers.
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Tacier posted:Could we meaningfully destabilize or destroy the Mexican cartels even if we wanted to? I don't fully understand their operating structure, but they seem to be at least as well organized as ISIS and better armed. Of course I'd love to see them dismantled, but is that actually a feasible near-term outcome if the force of the US military was brought to bear on the problem? Oh I’m sure we could dust off the old Vietnam War strategy of Bodycount to measure “winning” and do pretty loving well at it destroying tons of cartel grunts but do you honestly think that wouldn’t create more problems then it would solve?
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Tacier posted:Could we meaningfully destabilize or destroy the Mexican cartels even if we wanted to? I don't fully understand their operating structure, but they seem to be at least as well organized as ISIS and better armed. Of course I'd love to see them dismantled, but is that actually a feasible near-term outcome if the force of the US military was brought to bear on the problem? We could legalize all drugs and enact harsh gun control. That would do the trick pretty nicely.
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The US actually addressing the Cartel issue would mean acknowledging them as a major destabilizing force in Mexico. Which would open up asylum claims. Sooooo....yeah. I mean, the whole situation with El Chapo’s son a few weeks back is just about all you need to know about how bad it really is.
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kidkissinger posted:She has been an establishment shill well before this. She voted for that bill to ban BDS months ago. I mean, haven't all the members of the Squad done some questionable things at this point? Representative Omar had the Armenian Genocide recognition vote, Representative Ocasio-Cortez completely dropped the ball with regards to Venezuela, and I think Representative Tlaib doesn't really have anything now that I am actually thinking about it. I'm not trying to defend any of those things, I'm just saying that I don't think it's fair to call any of them establishment shills.
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Tacier posted:Could we meaningfully destabilize or destroy the Mexican cartels even if we wanted to? I don't fully understand their operating structure, but they seem to be at least as well organized as ISIS and better armed. Of course I'd love to see them dismantled, but is that actually a feasible near-term outcome if the force of the US military was brought to bear on the problem? Iraq but Better Armed and On Our Borders seems real fuckin dumb.
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Tacier posted:Could we meaningfully destabilize or destroy the Mexican cartels even if we wanted to? I don't fully understand their operating structure, but they seem to be at least as well organized as ISIS and better armed. Of course I'd love to see them dismantled, but is that actually a feasible near-term outcome if the force of the US military was brought to bear on the problem? When PRI ran Mexico from 1917 all the way to the Bush era cartels were practically a 4th branch of government. When the Fox administration finally broke the grip of PRI rule they took US money and aid to go after cartels, which turned into the huge disaster it is today. For example, multiple chiefs of the anti-drug task force that Fox set up to combat the cartels were found out to be cartel members themselves.
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Something that’s been bugging me, we all know that Trump has so many judicial vacancies to fill because McConnell obstructed Obama’s picks. But Republicans only took control of the Senate in the 2014 midterms so Obama was obstructed from January 2015-17. Did 100 vacancies really open up in just 2 years? How did that happen?
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Herstory Begins Now posted:What's with all the weird public appearances lately? Are they trying to make him seem like someone who goes out and does things because we all know that Trump spends literally every free moment angry tweeting. It also seems like getting booed that hard might have shaken him up considering he normally exists in a perfect bubble of sycophantic yes men and how they're now desperately trying to find places he can go in public without being booed. The people around him have no doubt been telling him that everyone loves his policies, that he's the most popular, here have this poll we commissioned, see 95% approval! as a way of getting him to keep signing whatever order they put in front of him. As a huge fuckin narcissist it's got to actually hit him pretty hard to realize that 3/4 of the people in any stadium hate his guts. I'm sure this is driven by Trump himself, I doubt that anyone with half a brain on his team (not that there are any of those left) would consider chasing after sports audience applause to be a worthwhile pursuit for him with more to gain than lose. If it were handlers trying to humanize him they would have made sure he brought Barron to the World Series game and at least tried to coach him to interact with the kid in some kind of human way, instead of just having him in a corporate box with his usual retinue of toadies. It's impossible for me to put myself in the mindset of someone like Trump, but I guess he actually believes the whole country loving LOVES him and all the polling etc. is bullshit. So he decided hey there's a huge sports event in town I'm gonna loving go and get the adulation that's due to me! Rally crowds probably aren't the same anymore for him, they're preselected worshippers so he doesn't get off on their adulation the way he used to, he now wants to be able to go out in some random crowd and get worshipped.  Bad idea, Donnie!Getting his rear end booed at the WS game was probably quite a shock to him as he actually believes himself to be loved and is normally shielded from any such encounters with the masses, and doesn't believe any polling. Then the UFC thing a further shock. Trump will never fully internalize a message like a crowd booing him. He can always at least partially rationalize it away that it was Northeastern Elites or whatever, but he doesn't want to let it go entirely so he's going to chase his high to progressively chuddier fan base sports, getting close to full chud with a football game between Bama and LSU. If he's not satisfied with what he gets there he'll eventually be attending monster truck rallies in Branson every weekend for the rest of his term.
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