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Camrath
Mar 19, 2004

The UKMT Fudge Baron


Christ almighty, shoot every loving newspaper editor in the back of the neck and dump their ashes in the Thames.

Edit: The SU-85 was a soviet spg in ww2

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goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

ThomasPaine posted:

Ah cool, thanks.

On the last point though, surely hospital beds for injured squaddies are paid for? I mean, they are British citizens and we have an NHS (for now at least).

The Forces have their own medical system, and as long as someone is in service they're supposed to use that. For fairly obvious practical reasons treatment in the UK is handled by the NHS, but the MoD foots the bill.

Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010
Amazing. Even the BBC is focusing on a Tory MP sabotaging a rape trial and emphasised Watson saying it was for personal reasons. Get the feeling the Press are going to look for every little thing and go with that as the front page against anything Boris does.

Pesky Splinter
Feb 16, 2011

A worried pug.

Angepain posted:










fake edit: partially beaten by HJB but going to post anyway. never stop posting

:lol: Even better - that's sheer desperation.

Angepain
Jul 13, 2012

what keeps happening to my clothes
Embarrassment For Loony Corbynists As Man Who They Wanted Gone Goes

Ms Adequate
Oct 30, 2011

Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling



Angepain posted:

Embarrassment For Loony Corbynists As Man Who They Wanted Gone Goes

++ Humiliation For Winner Corbyn ++

jabby
Oct 27, 2010

HJB posted:



The butterfly meme, but "Is this purdah?"

Big who cares about the papers. If Watson hadn't quit they'd have gone front-page with Johnson's amazing speech and spectacular vision for Britain.

Watson did us a favour quitting in the middle of the Tory launch. This way he pulls attention from something positive they were doing instead of from Labour. He even made very clear it was for personal reasons on TV too, so it's an easy answer for any Labour MPs questioned about it in interviews.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


Asda's Christmas advert was so lousy it makes me want to drink the rest of this bottle of whiskey.

ThomasPaine
Feb 4, 2009

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.

goddamnedtwisto posted:

The Forces have their own medical system, and as long as someone is in service they're supposed to use that. For fairly obvious practical reasons treatment in the UK is handled by the NHS, but the MoD foots the bill.

Well poo poo, SA has the unique ability amongst all the bits of the internet I frequent to teach me things I'd never have even thought to wonder about.

Angepain
Jul 13, 2012

what keeps happening to my clothes

jabby posted:

He even made very clear it was for personal reasons on TV too, so it's an easy answer for any Labour MPs questioned about it in interviews.

ahh well that's just a cover story because he's scared that if he tells the truth about his persecution then the momentum thugs will drag him to the gulags, more on this from our objective columnists on pages 4,6,7,8,and 20

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


HJB posted:



The butterfly meme, but "Is this purdah?"

Horrible news for Corbyn as man his allies tried to force out leaves.

edit:

Angepain posted:

Embarrassment For Loony Corbynists As Man Who They Wanted Gone Goes

drat you.

NinpoEspiritoSanto
Oct 22, 2013




jabby posted:

Big who cares about the papers. If Watson hadn't quit they'd have gone front-page with Johnson's amazing speech and spectacular vision for Britain.

Watson did us a favour quitting in the middle of the Tory launch. This way he pulls attention from something positive they were doing instead of from Labour. He even made very clear it was for personal reasons on TV too, so it's an easy answer for any Labour MPs questioned about it in interviews.

Was going to make this point as well so yeah, this. First thing that struck me about that front page list was it's almost all Labour and very little about the Tory launch. First day, very much first blood to Labour.

Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry
When they say Boris is "channeling Churchill", do they mean he's channeling the Churchill of 1945 who lost in a landslide defeat against Attlee, considered one of the best Labour governments ever?

Because I'm fine with him channeling Churchill if that's the case

NinpoEspiritoSanto
Oct 22, 2013




Pochoclo posted:

When they say Boris is "channeling Churchill", do they mean he's channeling the Churchill of 1945 who lost in a landslide defeat against Attlee, considered one of the best Labour governments ever?

Because I'm fine with him channeling Churchill if that's the case

Slurring through speeches while being a massive racist perhaps?

e:

https://www.independent.co.uk/voice...s-a7144381.html

e2: bah, didn't check the date.

NinpoEspiritoSanto fucked around with this message at 02:04 on Nov 7, 2019

ThomasPaine
Feb 4, 2009

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.

Pochoclo posted:

When they say Boris is "channeling Churchill", do they mean he's channeling the Churchill of 1945 who lost in a landslide defeat against Attlee, considered one of the best Labour governments ever?

Because I'm fine with him channeling Churchill if that's the case

One of my favourite things is listening to tankies yell about how attlee was actually just another British imperialist and was actually just as bad as churchill

he totally was in some respects, but lord almighty lads have some nuance

jabby
Oct 27, 2010

Bottom line though, Watson quitting is great news.

It removes the Labour right from basically any position of power. So if the election goes horribly wrong and Corbyn steps down (which I think he will if he loses, guy has done more than enough for the movement), then we're still in the great position of having a whole range of left-wing MPs to fill the leader and deputy leader posts to continue Labour as a socialist party. The so-called 'moderates' will be nowhere.

If there was a time to erect the 'We Won' sign for the Left, at least regarding the battle for the Labour party, it's now.

Private Speech
Mar 30, 2011

I HAVE EVEN MORE WORTHLESS BEANIE BABIES IN MY COLLECTION THAN I HAVE WORTHLESS POSTS IN THE BEANIE BABY THREAD YET I STILL HAVE THE TEMERITY TO CRITICIZE OTHERS' COLLECTIONS

IF YOU SEE ME TALKING ABOUT BEANIE BABIES, PLEASE TELL ME TO

EAT. SHIT.


Lead out in cuffs posted:

Did you see the "haha just joking" Holocaust denial / killing Jews stuff?

Oh, I don't remember those!

Anyway I concede people are right, he was rather shite.

e: I had a bit here about him seemingly becoming more unhinged and abusive after the 2015 election, but I decided it'd be better if I edit it out.

Private Speech fucked around with this message at 02:26 on Nov 7, 2019

Bobby Deluxe
May 9, 2004

jabby posted:

drat what the gently caress has changed with the news?
out on the street, they call it purdah


Bundy posted:

Slurring through speeches while being a massive racist perhaps?
By doing a biologically improbable amount of crack.

Necrothatcher
Mar 26, 2005




Watson was once merely good by being better than the Blairites. But he failed to see the sands shifting under him until it was too late. He could have been a useful asset for Corbyn, but allied himself with the wrong camp early on and wouldn't and couldn't reverse gear.

Shame really, i did some work on his snoopers charter legal challenge in 2015 and he seemed personable enough.

Azza Bamboo
Apr 7, 2018


THUNDERDOME LOSER 2021

Ms Adequate posted:

Never thought I'd feel even a smidgen of sympathy for a newspaper editor but I'd invite you to put yourselves in the shoes of someone who has to decide which Tory fuckup actually goes on tomorrow's front page

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10293518/labour-deputy-leader-tom-watson-quits-mp/

TACD
Oct 27, 2000

Betcha one of them recycles the ‘Cor-bin’ bit from 2017 before this is over.

NinpoEspiritoSanto
Oct 22, 2013




Corb's full speech in Crewe today:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsE3q8kApzQ

The uncut murder of Nadhim Zahawi by Andrew Neil:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLnSxM3fYw8

Enjoy!

jabby
Oct 27, 2010

Genuinely surprised how many people on twitter are still defending Chris Williamson.

I mean he's running against Labour now seemingly out of spite, and he couldn't even write his resignation letter without accusing the entire Jewish Labour Movement of being controlled by Israel and trying to get Jennie Formby in trouble with the PLP by revealing what she said to him in a private conversation. It's childish, and it shows he's learned absolutely nothing from being suspended.

NinpoEspiritoSanto
Oct 22, 2013




Dr Bundy prescribes that everyone injects this directly into their veins:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhJuhSGOMrg

Ms Adequate
Oct 30, 2011

Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling



Bundy posted:

Corb's full speech in Crewe today:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsE3q8kApzQ

The uncut murder of Nadhim Zahawi by Andrew Neil:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLnSxM3fYw8

Enjoy!


Bundy posted:

Dr Bundy prescribes that everyone injects this directly into their veins:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhJuhSGOMrg

lmao Zahawi trying to twist this around to Labour demonization of the tories and Andrew Neil of all people being like "Yeah but it's actually called the nasty party because you're a pack of rank cunts, isn't it tho?"

WhatEvil
Jun 6, 2004

Can't get no luck.

https://twitter.com/nicolacoughlan/status/1192144957919903744

This is loving amazing.

Was from last year, but didn't see it then somehow.

Sharrow
Aug 20, 2007

So... mediocre.

Thanks for posting this! It's been a while since I lived in the area, but really happy that he stopped by. Laura Smith seems v cool and good.

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler

Ratjaculation posted:

Why is it when I see any mention of a pedo-hunter group in the news I assume there is a high probability they are actual pedos?

They always come across to me as nasty bullies who believe they've hit on the genius idea of targeting a group of people that they can threaten and beat up and get praised for it (the number of times they end up in court for assult and threats would seem to argue against this).

If they weren't "pedo hunting", they'd be beating up opposing football fans or starting on people in pubs.

Kill All Cops
Apr 11, 2007


Pacheco de Chocobo



Hell Gem

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/nov/06/lib-dems-plaid-cymru-and-greens-launch-pro-remain-electoral-pact posted:

Lib Dems, Plaid Cymru and Greens launch pro-remain electoral pact

Exclusive: parties will step aside for each other in 60 seats to give single pro-remain candidate a free run

The Liberal Democrats, Plaid Cymru and the Greens have finalised a plan to step aside for each other in 60 seats across England and Wales in the general election. The alliance is intended to give a free run to one pro-remain party in each constituency.

The agreement, which does not include Labour, covers 49 seats in England and 11 in Wales. It was made under the banner of a cross-party group called Unite to Remain, which has spent several months trying to broker the plan.

A so-called progressive alliance plan, also including Labour, was attempted before the 2017 election but arrangements were only made for a handful of seats, in part because of the difficulty of getting local parties to agree.

The template for the Unite to Remain idea was the Brecon and Radnorshire byelection in August, where the decision of Plaid Cymru and the Greens to stand aside helped the Liberal Democrats overturn a Conservative majority of 8,000 to take the seat.

Heidi Allen, the Conservative-turned-Lib-Dem MP, who is standing down in December’s election, was involved in organising the Brecon and Radnorshire pact and subsequently co-launched Unite to Remain.

Allen said the level of cross-party working was “unprecedented in modern British political history”.

She said: “With a single remain candidate in 60 seats we will return a greater number of remain MPs to parliament. This is our opportunity to tip the balance of power away from the two largest parties and into a progressive remain alliance.”

Allen had previously said she hoped to create deals in 70 seats, and to avoid standing against some strongly pro-remain Labour MPs.

Beyond giving the split of the seats between England and Wales, the group has not provided details of which seats will be involved, although they are billed as stretching from Cornwall to Yorkshire, and from Sussex to north Wales.

The majority of candidates given a free run will be Lib Dems given that the party had 20 MPs when parliament was dissolved this week, against four for Plaid Cymru and one for the Greens.

Peter Dunphy, the former Lib Dem treasurer who is a director of Unite to Remain, said Brecon and Radnorshire had been a successful test-case of the approach. “People want to back a winner, people want to back a contender,” he said.

He conceded that in some cases the remain alliance would be fielding candidates against sitting Labour MPs, but said the group’s main aim was to reduce the number of Brexit-backing MPs in parliament, most of whom were Conservatives. “What we have sought to do is focus on the bigger picture,” he said.

Other directors of Unite to remain include Jim Knight, a former Labour MP who is now a peer, and Jessica Simor, a prominent remain-supporting QC.

Such alliances have proved problematic in the past because of the perceived unwillingness of parties, especially Labour, to give ground. The Greens expressed scepticism about taking part in a similar process again.

However, a general election dominated by Brexit has focused minds, with some local arrangements already in place. Tthe Lib Dems in Beaconsfield have already announced they will not stand a candidate against the former Tory MP Dominic Grieve, who is standing as an independent.

What the heck are these parties gonna do that's better and more democratic than a referendum on Brexit in 6 months??

Ms Adequate
Oct 30, 2011

Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling



Lady Galaga posted:

What the heck are these parties gonna do that's better and more democratic than a referendum on Brexit in 6 months??

Revoke Article 50 on Day One of the next parliament!!!

What do you mean that's less democratic? It's obviously the will of the British people, who voted 173-44 Remain, to remain!

Tijuana Bibliophile
Dec 30, 2008

Scratchmo
well I'll miss him

Munin
Nov 14, 2004


Lady Galaga posted:

What the heck are these parties gonna do that's better and more democratic than a referendum on Brexit in 6 months??

Well, what they think will happen is that if Labour will they will canvas for their leave deal in the referendum, the Tories will gallumph along trying to get no deal (or shoehorn hard brexit clauses into the referendum) and remain will be hosed since no one with any money, power or influence will push for it.

So from the way they read the tea-leaves remain is hosed if it comes down to a Labour initiated referendum. If you think that leaving the EU is one of the dumbest things the UK has tried to do, even with a closer relationship than the Tories would ever countenance, then trying to find some way to avoid it is rational.

Of course, if the Tories win it is good night sweet prince for everyone.

sebzilla
Mar 17, 2009

Kid's blasting everything in sight with that new-fangled musket.


The Greens have gone all Lib Dem in my constituency.

Kill All Cops
Apr 11, 2007


Pacheco de Chocobo



Hell Gem

sebzilla posted:

The Greens have gone all Lib Dem in my constituency.



these graphs always look better accompanied by a table



Kill All Cops fucked around with this message at 07:59 on Nov 7, 2019

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe
Ian Austin is on Radio 4 telling people to vote Conservative and being absolutely egged on by Nick loving Robinson, so much for impartiality rules.

Paul.Power
Feb 7, 2009

The three roles of APCs:
Transports.
Supply trucks.
Distractions.

Do we have a list of constituencies where this pact is happening?

Debbie Does Dagon
Jul 8, 2005



Jaeluni Asjil posted:

Cenotaph on Sunday, I wonder what Corbyn will do wrong this year:

Dancing Corbyn, wrong angle poppy leaf Corbyn, and wasn't last year the 'so small you can barely see it disrespectful ceramic poppy even though it costs a lot more than a paper on' poppy?

Look at Corbyn with his decadent, beougious ceramic poppy

Pesmerga
Aug 1, 2005

So nice to eat you
Ian Austin is a megacunt.

RockyB
Mar 8, 2007


Dog Therapy: Shockingly Good
Good morning all. As I do my bleary eyed pre-work trawl of the internet just look at this steaming pile of :thunk:

quote:

Even if Labour has the numbers to form a coalition government, I could see him failing to become PM. So many Labour MPs (even accounting for those who've abandoned the party or are stepping down) absolutely loathe him - would they actually back Corbyn as PM if they have a Labour alternative? What if the Lib Dems make "not Corbyn" a prerequisite for their support, and it's either this or rely on the SNP (which would surely lead to electoral disaster in the next election, especially if the Nats held and won indyref 2).

I could certainly see Swinson pitching for the PM role in a coalition government, with Labour making up most of the cabinet. It's not unprecedented, though it would be unusual - David Lloyd George was a Liberal prime minister in a Lib-Con coalition, where the Tories could have formed a majority by themselves.

Comment, not commentariat

RockyB fucked around with this message at 09:00 on Nov 7, 2019

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Angepain
Jul 13, 2012

what keeps happening to my clothes

Lady Galaga posted:

What the heck are these parties gonna do that's better and more democratic than a referendum on Brexit in 6 months??

"One for the Greens" - so what, Brighton Pavillion? The lib dems got next to nothing in that seat so if that's the one then it's hard to see what they're getting out of it.

(Also shocked and appalled that a google search for just "Brighton Pavillion" returns only results about the pavillion in brighton, as if they expect me to be some kind of normal human person that cares more about culture and architecture than obsessing over political nerdery)

Angepain fucked around with this message at 09:07 on Nov 7, 2019

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