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Otteration posted:All things are possible as a tax: god that poor cat. its owners should be ashamed
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The Super-Id posted:Obviously this nomination should be rejected on account of that this is clearly some sort of goblin and not a human being. 
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nine-gear crow posted:I mean, she lost by about 100,000 votes across three states that would have propelled her to an Electoral College victory and that came out for Obama in far wider margins and then hit the snooze button on Election Day 2016 because She Just Didn't Inspire Me--OH FUC so yeah, it probably was a big factor. That basically describes my dad. He could have voted absentee in Michigan (He was in Japan during the election itself), but didn't bother in part because he really didn't want to have vote for Clinton. And while I probably could have cajoled him to vote for her absentee, I didn't because... well, I expected Clinton to win, and thus it wouldn't have mattered. WHOOPS.
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Of course he retweeted this.  https://twitter.com/aldotcom/status/1192152133174468609
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Dave Grool posted:I hope he just keeps on rallying forever even after he's out of office, to smaller and smaller crowds. The Trump Family Variety Show starring The Trump Family singing, dancing, comedic skits recreating famous moments in trump history maybe some ventriloquism
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HonorableTB posted:Checking in from Seattle: the socialist city council member representing my district managed to lose to an Amazon backed pro-business candidate in the most left leaning neighborhood in the city, filled with the perfect demographic for a socialist to get votes from
Car tab fees should, at most, pay for the cost of maintaining the car registration system. They should not be a major source of funding for transportation projects. Jeff Bezos' bank account should be. Bear in mind Washington state has the most regressive tax code in the US. It loving sucks. And people do hate it - though ironically it is exactly anti-tax energy that keeps it that way. It is also anti-tax energy that keeps Tim Eyman in the newspapers and sending initiatives to the ballot. And to be clear, Eyman's solution for this (which, to a first approximation, would boil down to "abolish taxes, set the state budget to $0") is dumb as dogshit. But the typical liberal response is nearly as stupid: nickel and dime everyone for every last loving thing. Public-private partnerships. Toll roads and toll bridges. The loving Discovery Pass bullshit. Sales tax of course. And the loving car tabs. And countless more little levies and fees that dot our tax code. I do not hold out much hope that this initiative will prompt the libs in Olympia to develop a more progressive tax system. But I hope it does. And yeah, I do know that the prevailing interpretation of the state constitution forbids a progressive income tax. But frankly a flat income tax (which the constitution here does not, iirc, forbid) would be preferable to what we have now. Anyway they need to get creative. We have a trifecta here and the loving state Democrats need to start acting like it. MSDOS KAPITAL fucked around with this message at 05:16 on Nov 7, 2019 |
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Silly Burrito posted:Of course he retweeted this. Kind of wish it would push the visiting LSU fans to boo their little hearts out. I know it won’t, but it’s nice to dream
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MSDOS KAPITAL posted:Actually I want to talk really quick about the loving car tabs. This might ruffle some feathers, so let me be clear on two things: gently caress you, computer-janitor parasite. Crush car culture. Tax your loving cages until it's untenable to drive these guzzlers. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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MSDOS KAPITAL posted:That said, car tab fees in this state are bullshit. They are a regressive tax - perhaps not as regressive as a sales tax, but they are regressive. And yeah, I know the more expensive your car, the more you will pay in fees, but the truth is a lot of people buy cars they can barely afford and then they get hit with this tax on top of that. Sure it may be irresponsible to do so, but frankly in this hellworld now I'm just out of the energy to begrudge people who want something nice. Most days I am, anyway. They are only regressive if you think car ownership should be something that the government has an interest in promoting. The reality is that it costs far too little to drive in the US, and making car drivers pay for all the nasty externalities that come with private automobile ownership is a good thing. As far as hurting the poor goes, enforced car ownership is far costlier for poor people than any government tax on automobiles ever could dream to be. Short of government directly subsidizing poor people by giving them EBT-style benefits to spend on car payments, insurance, and maintenance etc. automobile ownership will never be cost effective.
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SKULL.GIF posted:gently caress you, computer-janitor parasite. Crush car culture. Tax your loving cages until it's untenable to drive these guzzlers. you get the reason most people have to have cars is because the city doesn't have civil engineering that favors public transport, right?
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SKULL.GIF posted:gently caress you, computer-janitor parasite. Crush car culture. Tax your loving cages until it's untenable to drive these guzzlers. Most people don't have a choice in the matter.
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I do and I drive a car, bitch
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I'm trying to imagine how stupid you'd have to be to read the countless stories of people in absurd, almost satire level, situations like 'well my current way to work is three bus transfers and me having to run to not be late a few blocks, but if I had a car it'd be like five minutes and I could maybe get some actual sleep or something' and go 'you loving parasite'.
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sexpig by night posted:you get the reason most people have to have cars is because the city doesn't have civil engineering that favors public transport, right? Chicken and egg problem. And no matter what anyone says, it will never be cost effective for poor people to drive, not in this country and not in any country on earth. The tax is the tip of the iceberg the corporate media has you laser focused on while ignoring the huge maintenance, insurance, fuel, etc. costs that funnel directly into private pockets. Additionally, cities had to be radically reconfigured for autocentric transit. It's not like people crossed the bering strait land bridge and discovered I-90 built already. You could make that argument for a sprawlzone like Houston, but Chicago has an extensive system of public transit that gets neglected in favor of the 75% of households in the city that own an automobile. It's absurd showing up to ward meetings and the #1 topic of discussion is rear end in a top hat SUV owners complaining about the lack of street parking for their war wagons.
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if you understand the concept of mandatory car ownership as a class stratification tool and also support car tab taxes you are, and I mean this without any irony or joking, one of the dumbest people on earth. Car ownership being functionally required in most urban areas IS terrible but you don't fix it by loving the people already hurt by it.
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CAPS LOCK BROKEN posted:Chicken and egg problem. And no matter what anyone says, it will never be cost effective for poor people to drive, not in this country and not in any country on earth. The tax is the tip of the iceberg the corporate media has you laser focused on while ignoring the huge maintenance, insurance, fuel, etc. costs that funnel directly into private pockets. well I'm glad we're focusing on the real cause of that insane money funnel into private pockets, rando people with no control over the fact that their city got paved to hell 80 years ago. It's not like there's a giant castle full of unearned wealth in the form of Bezos living in the city who could be taxed to support state supplement programs to help people who can't afford to drive, as well as fund public transportation reform, so we better focus on wringing that last 30 bucks out of some rando.
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You even admit it's a purely punitive sin tax, that 30 bucks from some dude trying to get to his lovely job won't fund the bus system but yea, maybe it'll price him out of having a car, and then what? What's step two of the brilliant reform system after that guy has been successfully punished for needing a car and still has to get to work?
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sexpig by night posted:You even admit it's a purely punitive sin tax, that 30 bucks from some dude trying to get to his lovely job won't fund the bus system but yea, maybe it'll price him out of having a car, and then what? What's step two of the brilliant reform system after that guy has been successfully punished for needing a car and still has to get to work? The system doesn't care about "some dude" but the functioning of the city as a whole. It's shocking and appalling that Americans vehemently defend cheap car ownership as a human right.
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SKULL.GIF posted:gently caress you, computer-janitor parasite. Crush car culture. Tax your loving cages until it's untenable to drive these guzzlers. having working public transit is a necessity first edit honestly i can't tell if you're being ironical here, i hope you were and my first glance was wrong
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CAPS LOCK BROKEN posted:The system doesn't care about "some dude" but the functioning of the city as a whole. It's shocking and appalling that Americans vehemently defend cheap car ownership as a human right. and how does pricing the lower classes out of cars, while making sure the rich idiots in theirs keep them, help the city as a whole? Don't try to spin this as collectivism when it's a punitive tax on the lowest rungs of society that won't do a drat thing for the city infrastructure. It's not about car ownership as a 'right', it's about the fact that you can't make it magically not true that you DO need cars to get around most cities in America, and approaching that problem from 'we should get rid of cars, then' first is rear end backwards thinking.
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You see by letting Chet the trust fund idiot keep his SUV he modded to roll coal but pricing all his workers out of owning any car we're actually helping the city as a whole
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SKULL.GIF posted:gently caress you, computer-janitor parasite. Crush car culture. Tax your loving cages until it's untenable to drive these guzzlers.
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sexpig by night posted:I'm trying to imagine how stupid you'd have to be to read the countless stories of people in absurd, almost satire level, situations like 'well my current way to work is three bus transfers and me having to run to not be late a few blocks, but if I had a car it'd be like five minutes and I could maybe get some actual sleep or something' and go 'you loving parasite'. 
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CAPS LOCK BROKEN posted:They are only regressive if you think car ownership should be something that the government has an interest in promoting. The reality is that it costs far too little to drive in the US, and making car drivers pay for all the nasty externalities that come with private automobile ownership is a good thing. Somehow it's only when it comes to taxes on the poor that we break out the "externalities" argument. Like I said, I did vote to reject I-976. But it wasn't out of a love of car tab fees it was because the programs they currently fund are important. But ideally they should be funded by other mechanisms that don't gently caress over working people. Maybe the legal challenge will succeed. On the one hand, I hope it does, because the programs funded currently by that fee are important. On the other hand, I kind of hope it doesn't, because it will be a direct refutation of the will of the people and because it will hurt Democrats in this state who, as much as they suck, I would prefer to have power over WA GOP. CAPS LOCK BROKEN posted:As far as hurting the poor goes, enforced car ownership is far costlier for poor people than any government tax on automobiles ever could dream to be. Short of government directly subsidizing poor people by giving them EBT-style benefits to spend on car payments, insurance, and maintenance etc. automobile ownership will never be cost effective.
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I'm on your side in this argument but, uh, of you think the posters jumping on you are neolibs, uhhhhhhh
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Thaddius the Large posted:Kind of wish it would push the visiting LSU fans to boo their little hearts out. I know it won’t, but it’s nice to dream LSU fans are the kind of people who spend thousands of dollars to create an LSU-themed guest bathroom full of old trading cards and commissioned still-life art of football helmets on tables draped in yellow towels, having never attended any classes at the school and only setting foot near the campus for a game.
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theflyingorc posted:I'm on your side in this argument but, uh, of you think the posters jumping on you are neolibs, uhhhhhhh
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Thaddius the Large posted:Kind of wish it would push the visiting LSU fans to boo their little hearts out. I know it won’t, but it’s nice to dream Wouldn’t matter anyway. “They weren’t booing, they were saying LSUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU.”
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Maybe we could lessen the burden on poor without passing Tim Eyman's stupid loving bullshit That way, it might even be possible to fund public transportation, rather than hamstringing it!
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sexpig by night posted:well I'm glad we're focusing on the real cause of that insane money funnel into private pockets, rando people with no control over the fact that their city got paved to hell 80 years ago. It's not like there's a giant castle full of unearned wealth in the form of Bezos living in the city who could be taxed to support state supplement programs to help people who can't afford to drive, as well as fund public transportation reform, so we better focus on wringing that last 30 bucks out of some rando. tbf Amazon doesn't really make that much profit and Bezos' wealth is largely on paper lmao
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I'm angry about the car tab poo poo because many of my friends, and myself, were relying on the continued expansion and build out of the light rail network to make it a tenable and viable alternative for my friends that were priced out of Seattle proper to live in cheaper areas and still have a reasonable commute to their jobs in the city. This directly threatens expansion into other neighborhoods that are cheaper, surrounding cheaper suburbs, and will directly make the already hellacious traffic problem here somehow even worse.
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This is literally insane. Sessions has so much dirt on him that he could dish if Trump attacks him. This would be like a nuclear exchange in the 50s between the US and USSR, totally lopsided annhilation in favor of Sessions.
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Unoriginal Name posted:Maybe we could lessen the burden on poor without passing Tim Eyman's stupid loving bullshit HonorableTB posted:I'm angry about the car tab poo poo because many of my friends, and myself, were relying on the continued expansion and build out of the light rail network to make it a tenable and viable alternative for my friends that were priced out of Seattle proper to live in cheaper areas and still have a reasonable commute to their jobs in the city. This directly threatens expansion into other neighborhoods that are cheaper, surrounding cheaper suburbs, and will directly make the already hellacious traffic problem here somehow even worse.
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MSDOS KAPITAL posted:You're agreeing with me, right? It's hard to tell in here sometimes. What I don't understand is how Tim Eyman isn't in loving jail by now. From what I understand, he conjured up $500,000 for this car tab initiative after having declared bankruptcy, is being or was recently sued by the state for fraud, threatened with being banned from managing political organization and campaign finances, and oh yeah didn't he get arrested and convicted of theft for getting busted stealing a chair from Office Depot? How the gently caress is he still around?
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HonorableTB posted:What I don't understand is how Tim Eyman isn't in loving jail by now. From what I understand, he conjured up $500,000 for this car tab initiative after having declared bankruptcy, is being or was recently sued by the state for fraud, threatened with being banned from managing political organization and campaign finances, and oh yeah didn't he get arrested and convicted of theft for getting busted stealing a chair from Office Depot? How the gently caress is he still around? I don't know what else to say about it. The last I heard about him before this initiative was exactly what you describe, and I figured his fate would be pretty much what you expect. I guess I just momentarily forgot that he's useful to the GOP, and thus apparently immune to legal consequences for his actions.
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