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General Olloth posted:In my opinion you give combiplasma to seekers instead of vets for ZM. Seekers are amazing and good home for combiweapons, but the choice is between the extra punch of seekers vs. vets objective scoring ability and the fact it’s pretty trivial for a lot of lists to make them basic troops. You can really go either way.
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tallkidwithglasses posted:Seekers are amazing and good home for combiweapons, but the choice is between the extra punch of seekers vs. vets objective scoring ability and the fact it’s pretty trivial for a lot of lists to make them basic troops. You can really go either way. 
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This seems like it shouldn't be something I need to ask about, however this came out before the switch: 25mm or 32mm bases for marines?
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Nov 5, 2019 04:03
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koreban posted:This seems like it shouldn't be something I need to ask about, however this came out before the switch: 25mm or 32mm bases for marines? 32mm
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Nov 5, 2019 05:48
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Booley posted:32mm Is there a Champ Industries analog that makes 32mm plastic industrial motif bases that isn't the super expensive GW ones?
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Nov 5, 2019 06:10
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A Cyclops in ZM is beautiful/awful
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Beerdeer posted:A Cyclops in ZM is beautiful/awful The TKWG Experience™️
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Edit: ty awful app for the double poast.
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Nov 5, 2019 17:55
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A Cyclops in ZM is beautiful/awful Hey I double posted too! Beerdeer fucked around with this message at 19:35 on Nov 5, 2019 |
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Nov 5, 2019 19:32
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Vets are better than seekers because they can be your cumpulsory troops, cost less, and outflank. Also better in melee. Seekers own tho and they do more damage more reliably.koreban posted:Is there a Champ Industries analog that makes 32mm plastic industrial motif bases that isn't the super expensive GW ones? After the new ZM rules we are embracing the new 32mm power loader/sentinel meta
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Nov 5, 2019 23:40
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BULBASAUR posted:After the new ZM rules we are embracing the new 32mm power loader/sentinel meta I emailed Champ industries and asked if he was doing or could do 32mm bases. Maybe I'll hear back. His website is still up. I also ordered a 3pack of little tractor guys from anvil industries for Cyclops because I had some paypal credit sitting around. Shapeways had some good enough DA emblem MkIV shoulderpads, tartaros shoulderpads, and boarding shields. I'm on the fence about a forgeworld order for the DA praetor, contemptor, and leviathan because I love me those models. Just gotta wait on shipping...
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I ordered a recast Skoria off Aliexpress. Wish me luck. (I am perfectly happy to buy from Forgeworld and I do, I just wanted something to gently caress around with with my new set-up and practice on/ruin.)
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koreban posted:I emailed Champ industries and asked if he was doing or could do 32mm bases. Maybe I'll hear back. His website is still up.  I am really optimistic on their eventual unique units, but I have no idea what they might be. The only things they've mentioned so far are terran robots and I am very down for those. I know we're bound to get some knightly melee unit, but I hope they focus more on the weird tech angle. Dreadwing destroyer terminators, please.  Rules-wise, you're in for a bit of an uphill battle as DA are the only legion still with beta rules. The Blood Angels and White Scars didn't change much from their original rules so I'm expecting them to stay similar too. The bonus to swords is actually kind of nice even if it is limited in application (tactical squads, assault squads, and vets get some mileage out of it) and the unique DA wargear is all great, particularly stasis grenades and acid rounds. I'm hopeful that that list will get expanded in book 9. However, their downside is kind of ridiculous and you will lose a lot of close games as a result of it. It can be mitigated by running multiple smaller units or taking units like dreadnought talons which split after deployment. Dark Angels aren't trash tier or anything, they're still marines. They're just a little under-tuned right now compared to the other legions. That said, their unique Rites of War are both fantastic. Ironwing and Ravenwing are extremely specific though and can be hard to build lists for. They also don't have much overlap so if you want to run one, pick one and focus on it first. I chose Ironwing and I will be buried under my pile of tanks and dreadnoughts. It is totally fine to focus on smaller games (like ZM) and ignore RoWs for now. A lot of the generic ones may be worth considering though, particularly Pride of the Legion which works perfectly as pseudo-Deathwing and won't require a lot of investment in expensive resin vehicles/jetbikes/whatever. The plastic MkIII and MkIV kits can easily be assembled as vets if you want to go this route. Finally, if you're near the Longview crew, may god have mercy upon your soul because they won't.  Sharks Dont Sleep posted:I ordered a recast Skoria off Aliexpress. Wish me luck. (I am perfectly happy to buy from Forgeworld and I do, I just wanted something to gently caress around with with my new set-up and practice on/ruin.)
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Safety Factor posted:Finally, if you're near the Longview crew, may god have mercy upon your soul because they won't. I'm in Portland. I used to play at Panascope's house regularly, so I'm savvy to the "if you're not cheatin, you're not tryin" meta.
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koreban posted:I'm in Portland. I used to play at Panascope's house regularly, so I'm savvy to the "if you're not cheatin, you're not tryin" meta. The preferred term is now "Get mad or stay bad" I believe.
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Instead of painting my toxx I am trying to rush out a couple of proteus raiders for the next event. The breeding program is a work in progress ...
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its true thou, Dark Angles are the only beta legion
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Killer_Bees! posted:Instead of painting my toxx I am trying to rush out a couple of proteus raiders for the next event. The breeding program is a work in progress ... A good crop so far.
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BULBASAUR posted:its true thou, Dark Angles are the only beta legion Rude.
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This is a good write up of 30K, nice work Twisted.
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Hot drat. It’s like goonhammer writers exist just for me. Thanks dudes.
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adamantium|wang posted:This is a good write up of 30K, nice work Twisted. Good stuff.
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adamantium|wang posted:This is a good write up of 30K, nice work Twisted. quote:There is a Legion to suit everyone, and none are necessarily better or worse than each other – they all play differently.
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panascope posted:Haha yeah but Sons of Horus are the best. They do seem to have the best color scheme.
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Also the best looking helmets.
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Sharks Dont Sleep posted:Also the best looking helmets. No, the Raven Guard are best known for the beakie helms. Sons of Horus helmets are up there, though.
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Helmets? Who needs those. One legion is so special they send in their boys with padded ones instead.
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Give me Sarum or give me death guard
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Sharks Dont Sleep posted:Also the best looking helmets. There’s a reason everyone steals dark angel helmets for their conversions, imo
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BULBASAUR posted:Helmets? Who needs those. One legion is so special they send in their boys with padded ones instead. And let’s not even start with how lame right-side-up Bolters are!
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Got my first game in last night with a full Ruinstorm Daemon list against Booley's Blood Angles. We played 2500 points and used the first scenario in the Signus campaign where the Marine player needs to have more of his units in his deployment zone (24" in from a short edge) at the end of the game than the daemon player. My list was (Eminations of Horror in parentheses): Generic Dominion Flying Daemon Lord (Rending Melee, 3+ Armor, Psyker 3) Greater Daemon (Defensive Grenades, -1T aura, Psyker 1) Chosen (Defensive Grenades, 12" Armorbane attack, Psyker 2) 3 Units of 10 Lesser Daemons (Flamer per 3 models, Brotherhood of Psykers 1) 3 Daemon Beasts (Rending Melee, Brotherhood of Psykers 1) 2 Shrikes (Rending Melee, 12" Armorbane attack) 2 units of 3 Brutes (Rending Melee, Smash) 3 Greater Beasts (Rending Melee, 3+ Armor, -1T aura)  Blood Angels: Day of Revelation Jump Praetor Ralderon and 4 Crimson Paladins in a Phobos Land Raider 2 units of 10 Tacticals in Melta Rhinos 2 units of 15 Assault Marines 10 Dawnbreakers 5 Angel's Tears with Assault Cannons Lightning full of Phosphex Bombs I deployed 3 portals in a line 12" out from the BA's deployment zone. Because he went first, had a lot of deep strikers, and the scenario allowed the reroll of deep strike scatter, Booley got the idea to try to choke out my portals by surrounding them. This would have been a pretty big move, but came one bad run roll short, and only surrounded 2 portals. Ultimately the plan backfired, because now his forces were going to be stuck fighting my units early game when they are at their strongest and near my portals where I can reroll failed invulnerable saves. Long story short, my dice were extremely hot (making many 5+ invulnerable saves against a lot of insta-death attacks) and he was rolling very poorly (characters whiffing 4 out of 5 attacks etc) and I had ground him down to nothing by turn 4. On paper, spamming the psychic shriek power seemed good (Roll 3D6, each point exceeding target's Ld does a wound with no saves of any kind). It wasn't good, it was downright dirty. It was removing dawnbreakers and terminators by the handful and even caught Ralderon for 7 damage. At the end of the day, the game confirmed a lot of my suspicions that you really have to tech differently when going up against daemons, which at this point in the meta, most people don't have the unit options to do. Stuff like autocannon teams and sicaran punishers would have really wrecked my poo poo. While stuff that is traditionally good like power fists or lascannons were either getting saved against, or dealing 1 wound to a 6 wound model. The dawnbreakers were doing some heavy lifting until I screamed them off the table, having killed both the Greater Lord and Greater Daemon. Shrikes are amazing, they were just bouncing around the backfield like pinballs with incredible mobility wrecking all of the soft targets. A heavy psychic skew is probably the typhon of the daemon list. I would probably not choose that option again for friendly games.            
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How's this look for babbys first crack at a 30k list with ZM in mind: ++ Crusade (Legiones Astartes: Age of Darkness Army List) [1,000pts] ++ + HQ + Centurion [85pts]: Artificer Armour, Calibanite War Blade, Melta Bombs, On Foot, Refractor Field . Chainsword or Combat Blade: Combat Blade . Consul: Centurion, Legion + Elites + Contemptor Dreadnought Talon [185pts] . Contemptor Dreadnought, Legion: Extra Armour, Molecular Acid Shells . . Dreadnought Close Combat Weapon: Twin-linked Bolter . . Dreadnought Close Combat Weapon: Twin-linked Bolter Terminator Squad, Legion [175pts] . Tartaros Pattern Terminator Armour . Terminator Sergeant, Legion: Calibanite War Blade, Combi-Bolter . Terminators, Legion: Combi-Bolter . . Power Weapon: Power Sword . Terminators, Legion: Combi-Bolter . . Power Weapon: Power Sword . Terminators, Legion: Combi-Bolter . . Power Weapon: Power Sword . Terminators, Legion: Combi-Bolter . . Power Weapon: Power Sword + Troops + Breacher Siege Squad, Legion [200pts]: 9x Breacher Siege Space Marines, Legion . Breacher Siege Sergeant, Legion: Bolter Tactical Squad, Legion , Compulsory [155pts]: Bolters, 9x Tactical Space Marines, Legion . Additional Wargear: Additional Chainswords/Combat Blades, Vexilla, Legion . Tactical Sergeant, Legion: Bolter Tactical Support Squad, Legion Flamer Plasma Repeater [200pts]: Flamer, Plasma Repeater, 4x Space Marines, Legion, Support Squad . Sergeant, Legion: Bolt Pistol, Flamer + Allegiance + Legion and Allegiance: I: Dark Angels, Loyalist Rite of War + Use Playtest Rules + Use Playtest Rules: Playtest Rules Off ++ Total: [1,000pts] ++ Created with BattleScribe
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God drat lads that is some quality 30k hams your duking it out with there, good job!
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koreban posted:How's this look for babbys first crack at a 30k list with ZM in mind: No AP2 means Terminators will clean your clock.
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panascope posted:No AP2 means Terminators will clean your clock. Support squad was supposed to have plasma repeaters. Options being in 40 different places meant I missed the flamer button. Points didn't change, though. e: also I couldn't find where to add cyclops demo vehicles. Is that allied in via a second detachment? koreban fucked around with this message at 04:50 on Nov 9, 2019 |
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My Custoady buddy posted pictures from our Friday game: https://www.instagram.com/p/B4nlAgEn5dx/
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koreban posted:Support squad was supposed to have plasma repeaters. Options being in 40 different places meant I missed the flamer button. Points didn't change, though. Cyclops bomb cars are from the solar auxilia list.
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Zasze posted:Cyclops bomb cars are from the solar auxilia list. "This game needs more VBIEDs" - goons
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JcDent posted:My Custoady buddy posted pictures from our Friday game: How were the custodes in ZM?
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koreban posted:How's this look for babbys first crack at a 30k list with ZM in mind: With ZM you only need one compulsory troop choice, so I’d choose between the breachers and the tacs and then spend the points you save on wargear and padding out squads. Also, sword termies is fluffy for DA but I really think you’d benefit from taking at least a couple powerfists in the squad. Beyond that it looks like you’re covering your bases pretty well- just be SUPER careful with the plasmas since they only have a 6” range if you move.
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