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gh0stpinballa posted:first transport has this city by the balls, dude, 18 quid for a week ticket! almost 80 quid a month to get to and from work! they won't build that metro cos then the kickbacks from the bus companies dry up, disgusting! First Bus and Arriva are also under consideration of being sold as well. Transport in Leeds is just in a poor state and I don't see any strong long term vision to fix it. I appreciate that they trying to improve some of the infrastructure to give buses better priority but its just nothing solution considering the growth the city is seeing. This isn't even mentioning how terrible the trains are.
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Guavanaut posted:Yeah, there's two arguments against free movement. One is "they're foreign and/or coloured and dilute are national fabric", which is the racist (or at least ethno-nationalist, which is racism by appeal to bad philosophy) one. This manifests as ethno-nationalist garbage a lot of the time but the debate over "what is British culture?" seems like a valid question and I'm not sure either of the main parties really do a good job in answering it. The Tories have a ton of reactionary crap about Empire and Glorious Brittane, but current Labour doesn't seem to have much of a cultural focus and the Blairites had the same bland liberal globalism in mind as Hillary 2016. What would a socialist vision of British culture look like? How can you reconcile a concern with national culture with an international, outward-looking approach? These seem like important questions for dealing with the rise of rootlessness and feelings of displacement which are caused by capitalism and lead to fascist tendencies, but need a cultural as well as an economic solution.
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Gyro Zeppeli posted:Because then the techbros don't get to pretend they invented something new. Also the poors might be able to afford to use a regular train, and that won't do. It's China, the country that built the fastest train in the world that just goes from the airport to town, and costs 1/5 of Heathrow Express
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gh0stpinballa posted:first transport has this city by the balls, dude, 18 quid for a week ticket! almost 80 quid a month to get to and from work! they won't build that metro cos then the kickbacks from the bus companies dry up, disgusting! All the councillors I talk to agree but I'm not sure what we can do about it. Might see if I can get the MP involved as well.
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El Leone posted:First Bus and Arriva are also under consideration of being sold as well. Transport in Leeds is just in a poor state and I don't see any strong long term vision to fix it. I appreciate that they trying to improve some of the infrastructure to give buses better priority but its just nothing solution considering the growth the city is seeing. More park and rides is better than nothing but it sure as poo poo isn't much.
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RedLobster posted:Is anyone here good with purdah stuff? I'd like to do some canvassing but I work for a London council (im at a low level in the HR dept) so I'm pretty sure I'm not allowed? My understanding is that if you're under level 6 you can get approval to campaign for a party but if you do it without approval then you get in the poo poo
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RedLobster posted:Is anyone here good with purdah stuff? I'd like to do some canvassing but I work for a London council (im at a low level in the HR dept) so I'm pretty sure I'm not allowed? The council itself should be able to direct you to the legal requirements, but more to the point I think it's only if you directly work with elected officials you're affected. Obviously don't take that as legal advice, ask your council's legal counsel.
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Lady Galaga posted:It's China, the country that built the fastest train in the world that just goes from the airport to town, and costs 1/5 of Heathrow Express And hasn't built any more of that kind of train because a normal high speed train would have been just as good.
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Communist Thoughts posted:Haha that was very optimistic of me I mean tbf it was on the announcement of his threadban and you were gloating, and we only really came back to talking about him from his own self-own.
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My favourite bit from Brillo Neil last night was him asking Zawahi about how many starter homes the government had built after spending £174mn and he said "I've heard it was a very low number" and Neil had to specifically say "IT'S ZERO" and Zawahi was just going like "I said it was a low number!" ahhhh these mincing little shits
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Down in the south west we have trains that don't run when its windy, because spray from the sea breaks them. *Moe and Homer talking about garages*
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RedLobster posted:Is anyone here good with purdah stuff? I'd like to do some canvassing but I work for a London council (im at a low level in the HR dept) so I'm pretty sure I'm not allowed? You will be allowed (in your free time obvs) but there will be conditions like don't mention you work for the Council etc. Definitely speak to HR.
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Guavanaut posted:Uses a lot of surface space up though. If you city's already built around trams then it makes sense to use them. If it's built around cars it makes more sense to go elevated until less people are using cars and then pedestrianize your surface space into I mean you can do elevated light rail as well, and it can even be the same rail as the underground or surface system if you want it to be. The underslung design makes sense if you very specifically want to change the station infrastructure (and just have it pull up at a platform at ground level before going back up again, rather than having an elevated station, which would be a quite specific issue to solve) but generally it's still just a marketing gimmick, it doesn't go faster or anything than any other train does because trains that go round sharp corners at high speeds aren't transport, they're rollercoasters.
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Taking it away from Politics, but if you are in Yorkshire keep a very close eye on your local travel, and if you work / live in low lying land check the local flood gauges now. Flooding is starting to happen quiet widely, with river levels looking to be around the level seen in 2007 / 2014 and the rain is going to continue all day, river levels are likely to peak tomorrow morning. Plan your route home now.
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sebzilla posted:Give me maglev trains, Corbyn! At least as part of labour's Green New deal we're gonna get the retractable cities from evangelion
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Guavanaut posted:That is running on a rail, it's just elevated so it's not using surface space, and its center of gravity is below the rail, which is convenient because it's a lot less likely to want to reorient itself. Apart from extreme edge cases like Wuppertal* there's no justification for any kind of suspension railway, monorail or other freaky deviations from boring old "wheels on two rails". This poo poo Just Works, and anyone selling anything different is a conman. *Wuppertal used the river as the right-of-way for most of their railway, and the suspension allowed the trains to swing, allowing them to have much tighter curve radii than conventional rail These problems have long since been solved in multiple much cheaper and more effective ways - just look at the DLR extension along Deptford Creek.
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I mean hell if you really want to you can use literally the same rail gauge as the normal rail network for your elevated network, a lot of US cities do that.
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ukle posted:Taking it away from Politics, but if you are in Yorkshire keep a very close eye on your local travel, and if you work / live in low lying land check the local flood gauges now. Remember when the Lib Dems were in government in 2014 and specifically asked for flood relief and further planning to prevent this happening again? Remember how Call Me Dave told Cleggo to eat poo poo about it? Just saying, this is political, and should be politicised.
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Jose posted:lol carole is having a normal one today There's some real Louise Mensch circa that tweet about Steve Bannon getting the death penalty energy from Carole these days.
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There was that time a while ago when the tees flooded which is impressive given that the barrage is supposed to stop it doing that.
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Jose posted:lol carole is having a normal one today lol at thinking the Russian trolls farms out there would be stymied by "currency exchange"
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The best way to deal with the Ian Austin poo poo is not to signal boost it, but if you're forced then point out that Ian Austin, John Woodcock and John Mann have ALL walked into cushy government-appointed jobs after jumping-before-being-pushed from Labour. Almost like former Labour MPs are being offered a replacement gravy-train role in exchange for attacking their former party as much as possible.
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Failed Imagineer posted:Most of the comments also focusing on the optics of a video where the PM is depicted with his back to the viewer, leaving No.10... https://twitter.com/Gordopolitz/status/1192425613476474880?s=20
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ukle posted:Taking it away from Politics, but if you are in Yorkshire keep a very close eye on your local travel, and if you work / live in low lying land check the local flood gauges now. The new trains they've put on have made travelling this week absolutely miserable, all this rain won't be helping much. All the land upward of the valley I'm in was burned and sold off for grouse shooting. All summer the rivers been really high and I feel this winter will be quite brutal. Speaking of brutal winter - I still can't find out where voting is meant to happen in my area. I was going to see if my elderly neighbour needed a hand getting there but remembered she is a Tory so I'm doing her a favour by not helping her vote. Feeling very optimistic about the election, I'm thinking of planning a party on the Friday even. 
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forkboy84 posted:There's some real Louise Mensch circa that tweet about Steve Bannon getting the death penalty energy from Carole these days. My sources say the death penalty, for espionage, being considered for @dommycummy. I am pro-life and take no pleasure in reporting this.
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RedLobster posted:Is anyone here good with purdah stuff? I'd like to do some canvassing but I work for a London council (im at a low level in the HR dept) so I'm pretty sure I'm not allowed? Your council should already have made the purdah rules available to all staff.
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Tesseraction posted:Just saying, this is political, and should be politicised. Everything's political [/skin]
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^^^Tesseraction posted:Remember when the Lib Dems were in government in 2014 and specifically asked for flood relief and further planning to prevent this happening again? Remember how Call Me Dave told Cleggo to eat poo poo about it? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcaUer4fuU8
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Purple Prince posted:This manifests as ethno-nationalist garbage a lot of the time but the debate over "what is British culture?" seems like a valid question and I'm not sure either of the main parties really do a good job in answering it. The Tories have a ton of reactionary crap about Empire and Glorious Brittane, but current Labour doesn't seem to have much of a cultural focus and the Blairites had the same bland liberal globalism in mind as Hillary 2016. On one hand Britain isn't a nation-state, it's three nation-states plus Northern Ireland wedged into an Austro-Hungarian style monarch's territory. Most working class and socialist identities tied around the nation rather than the island, like the English identity that rose after Peterloo opposing the 'British' as the Hanoverian-Norman elite ruling from London. On the other, in large part due to Britain's imperial past, there are a large number of BAME people who very much do consider themselves British (often with a modifier, like Black or Asian or Muslim), because their (or their parents or grandparents) British Subject status was what allowed them to be here in the first place, and in 2019 the "I'm English not British" lot are more likely to be just racist rather than concerned about a Hanoverian-Norman elite. So there's that question, do we even look at British culture in the first place (this is problematic), or do we look at English/Welsh/Scottish culture and define BAME people by Black or Asian or Muslim (this is also problematic). And whichever we decide, we then have to look at "what makes a nation?" The only non-racist definition I've been able to find that makes any sense is "language, faith, and custom", and since 1.5b people speak English worldwide and only 12% of the population identifies as any of the state religions (or former state religions in the case of Wales, or gently caress off Charles we're not a state religion bishops out in the case of Scotland) we're left with some quite nebulous custom to pin everything on. Which is why any attempt from Westminster ends up looking like a middle management HR report, poo poo like "democracy; the rule of law; individual liberty; mutual respect for and tolerance of those with different faiths and beliefs and for those without faith" as if the rest of the world is the Iron Republic where people are both unfree as individuals and also ignore all laws and don't participate in groups. I think more than anything, British culture is defined by what people from the outside see it as, and cutting off the alienation caused by capitalism without some island in the North Atlantic having to define itself by unified traits but rather by finding commonality in communities would be better. Tesseraction posted:My favourite bit from Brillo Neil last night was him asking Zawahi about how many starter homes the government had built after spending £174mn and he said "I've heard it was a very low number" and Neil had to specifically say "IT'S ZERO" and Zawahi was just going like "I said it was a low number!" goddamnedtwisto posted:Apart from extreme edge cases like Wuppertal* there's no justification for any kind of suspension railway, monorail or other freaky deviations from boring old "wheels on two rails". This poo poo Just Works, and anyone selling anything different is a conman. Electric buses at surface level is probably more practical than either for medium cities without existing tram infrastructure.
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I usually vote for the Greens but they have massively screwed themselves this election by revealing they are firmly to the right of Labour. I was always going to vote red this time round anyway but it's unlikely I'll be voting Green again until this whole lot who are in now are gone, and that could be decades.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Apart from extreme edge cases like Wuppertal* there's no justification for any kind of suspension railway, monorail or other freaky deviations from boring old "wheels on two rails". This poo poo Just Works, and anyone selling anything different is a conman. At least suspension rail presumably doesn't shut down due to the wrong sort of leaves on the track. Unless they're really the wrong sort of leaves, I guess
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