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Squalid posted:see this is why I had to be very careful and specific about where and when I was talking about. Society and culture changed a lot over a 1000 years and you can't necessarily generalize. Most of the Vandals who crossed into North Africa had probably been born in the Roman Empire and would have been very different from the Suebi of the first century. I think in the Carolingian period some Danish king built a wall separating the whole of Jutland from Germany. It was actually started during the migration period and it was also a canal to link the baltic and the north sea!
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Nov 3, 2019 17:04
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Ah, Dannevirke! Started by the mythical king Angantyr in 605, but a lot of it was extended by Thyra, wife of Gorm the Elder much later. E: also one of the few examples of non-lovely Danish defenses, it was used militarily until 1864. Tias fucked around with this message at 07:34 on Nov 4, 2019 |
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Nov 4, 2019 07:20
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the danish military history is funny, to me content https://twitter.com/cwjones89/status/1190644395579707392
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Nov 4, 2019 09:44
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HEY GUNS posted:the danish military history is funny, to me I read this at first without seeing "content" and thought it was a joke about the danish language being equally as incomprehensible to moderns as ancient assyrian also, look at this new pokémon caterpiller named "Falinks"  
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this is also content https://twitter.com/tzoumio/status/1191276466685841408
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Nov 5, 2019 13:22
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I've been playing A Legionary's Life and it's made me curious. Would a legionary stay with his maniple for the entire campaign, or would he be shuffled around e.g. "You've been recommended for promotion to Optio and this maniple over here just had their Optio get stabbed in the dick, so you're with them now."
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Nov 6, 2019 00:52
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HEY GUNS posted:this is also content Nice to know even if I got stuck in the southern European subcontinent for the 400 BCE - CE 400 run that it would at least be as colorful as across the pond in Mesoamerica. Though my Latin is garbage after 15 years of neglect and I never studied Ancient Greek, so that would be an issue.
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Nov 6, 2019 15:25
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Would speaking modern-taught classical latin at a random point be any more useful than just trying your best romance language and trying to avoid any german or arabic loanwords? e: well writing would be much more useful anyway
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Nov 6, 2019 17:12
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depends when you are and who you’re talking to but I think Classical Latin or Greek would be much more useful. The best case scenario with a Vulgar Latin-descended dialect is that your listener will assume you’re poor and don’t know how to talk like a noteworthy person.
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Nov 6, 2019 17:17
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:Would speaking modern-taught classical latin at a random point be any more useful than just trying your best romance language and trying to avoid any german or arabic loanwords? As far as I know (not a linguist) you'd sound weird but be comprehensible. Given the range of vulgates across the empire speakers of Latin in urban areas were probably used to hearing strange accents. And yes, you could get by with writing. The benefit of Latin no longer being used as a living language is it doesn't change much over time.
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Nov 6, 2019 19:10
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A thread for people who were asking about Roman activity across the Sahara. https://twitter.com/Tweetistorian/status/1192207148106878977
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Nov 7, 2019 01:02
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Grand Fromage posted:A thread for people who were asking about Roman activity across the Sahara. That looks like the modern tree line in the south
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Nov 7, 2019 01:06
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euphronius posted:That looks like the modern tree line in the south Seems about right. The furthest documented Roman expedition across the desert reached somewhere that is almost certainly the Niger River, which is right about where that lower left non-coastal cluster is. There's no documentation of anyone going further in West Africa. East Africa we have Roman trade going all the way down to Tanzania, but that was by ship.
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Nov 7, 2019 02:14
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Where on that map was the whole Marius Sulla and Jugurtha thing happening?
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Nov 7, 2019 05:23
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Bob A Feet posted:Where on that map was the whole Marius Sulla and Jugurtha thing happening? Mostly in the northern part of modern day Algeria
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Nov 7, 2019 05:40
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IIRC most of the actual campaigning was done in what's now northern Tunisia. The border between the roman province of Africa and Numidia was roughly around where the modern Algeria/Tunisia border is.
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Nov 7, 2019 15:06
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From: https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/new-revelations-life-edge-roman-17210181quote:What are the earliest written historical records from the North East have emerged from a batch of new letters discovered at a Northumberland Roman fort.
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Nov 7, 2019 15:47
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Grand Fromage posted:As far as I know (not a linguist) you'd sound weird Well, maybe. Modern Latin teaching outside of maybe Catholics is to what we think people sounded like in around 100 AD Rome, so I guess it depends how accurate that reconstruction is. (Greek on the other hand most people pronounce to the late Hellenic period because srsly screw pitch accents)
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Nov 7, 2019 16:54
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Zopotantor posted:One snake. Two is for Hermes. Somewhen in 158 AD: "Galen, awake, I have something to teach you: germ theory..." *sleepy Galen looks at tennis racket "Oh piss off, Hermes"
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Nov 7, 2019 22:52
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Here is a decent Wikipedia article I found browsing https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deva_Victrix Better than most
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Nov 7, 2019 22:59
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feedmegin posted:Well, maybe. Modern Latin teaching outside of maybe Catholics is to what we think people sounded like in around 100 AD Rome, so I guess it depends how accurate that reconstruction is. (Greek on the other hand most people pronounce to the late Hellenic period because srsly screw pitch accents) What we think. And you didn't learn from a native Latin speaker, and most likely spent most or all of your time learning to read and write rather than practicing spoken Latin. You're gonna sound weird to a native speaker.
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Nov 7, 2019 23:07
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Grand Fromage posted:What we think. And you didn't learn from a native Latin speaker, and most likely spent most or all of your time learning to read and write rather than practicing spoken Latin. You're gonna sound weird to a native speaker. Plus people from no more than 500 miles away (and often as near as 100 miles away) in the same time (our modern era) sound weird to each other, let alone someone from hundreds of years away.
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Nov 8, 2019 05:20
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People from different parts of London sound incredibly different to one another and that’s much less than 100 miles
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Nov 8, 2019 05:29
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Wafflecopper posted:People from different parts of London sound incredibly different to one another and that’s much less than 100 miles Yeah, fair. My point stands - I agree vehemently with Grand Fromage that you're gonna sound really weird from hundreds of years away.
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oh yeah i'm not disagreeing with that, was more reinforcing your point that even people from the same time and very close places can sound totally different let alone people separated by a couple of thousand years
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Grand Fromage posted:Seems about right. The furthest documented Roman expedition across the desert reached somewhere that is almost certainly the Niger River, which is right about where that lower left non-coastal cluster is. There's no documentation of anyone going further in West Africa. East Africa we have Roman trade going all the way down to Tanzania, but that was by ship. There is a single chemically sourced bead from Jenné-jenno I am aware of that has been sourced to Classical Rome, either Egypt or Italy. Also the earliest known sourced bead from the site, around 200 BCE was from India or even further east. Probably came by way of a Roman or Nubian intermediary. It's not a lot, but clearly someone in the Inland Niger Delta had some sort of contact across the Sahara. Would not be surprised if a Roman expedition made it that far, and just didn't leave much. I worked on a site in New Mexico that had Spanish intrusion and a visita and yet in 100 years of Spanish contact they found a single bead, so it's not exactly uncommon to have interactions that just leave very little behind. It would be interesting to see if anything resembling Jenné-jenno was mentioned in Classical sources. It was a city of some 12 hectares by the first century CE with a constellation of non-urban settlements around it and a trade network as large as 350km in any direction. Seems large enought to notice for any visitor to the region. And while Late Medieval (14th century) and not Roman, Kumasi had a find of an English bronze jug, which, well, at that time, that far south, is something. North African Arabic writing was found on some bronze vessels from the same period and general Akan area (Nsawkaw), so the Trans-Saharan Trade at its height sure got around. KiteAuraan fucked around with this message at 10:56 on Nov 8, 2019 |
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Nov 8, 2019 10:48
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Do we know what kind of stuff went up in flames when Alexandria's library burned down? Like do we know of specific books or manuscripts that were kept there?
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KiteAuraan posted:There is a single chemically sourced bead from Jenné-jenno I am aware of that has been sourced to Classical Rome, either Egypt or Italy. Also the earliest known sourced bead from the site, around 200 BCE was from India or even further east. Probably came by way of a Roman or Nubian intermediary. It's not a lot, but clearly someone in the Inland Niger Delta had some sort of contact across the Sahara. Would not be surprised if a Roman expedition made it that far, and just didn't leave much. We have surviving written documentation of a small Roman military expedition to the Niger River looking for where all that gold was coming from, so that's not controversial. Presumably the Romans decided the Sahara was too much of an impediment to attempt conquest which was why they dropped it. A wise decision, the Sahara didn't stop trade caravans but the idea of taking, holding, and administering territory on the other side... yikes.
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Molentik posted:Do we know what kind of stuff went up in flames when Alexandria's library burned down? Like do we know of specific books or manuscripts that were kept there? Lives of Famous Whores 
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Molentik posted:Do we know what kind of stuff went up in flames when Alexandria's library burned down? Like do we know of specific books or manuscripts that were kept there? No. The loss to us of ancient texts is probably more because medievals failed to reproduce them (because they didn’t find 1000000000 lines of scholia on the Iliad or heretical philosophy or whatever worth copying, or because they couldn’t find the rest of Symmachus’ edition of Livy to copy it down) than because they were lost in one of the battles in Alexandria. Bobby Digital posted:Lives of Famous Whores I know you’re kidding, but the library was in serious decline by the time Suetonius wrote this anyway, the place to look for it was more likely private libraries of other rich equestrians. The stuff that actually did get lost in Caesar’s burning was classical and Hellenistic Greek works by default; who knows what if anything got lost when Aurelian and Diocletian trashed the city.
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Grand Fromage posted:We have surviving written documentation of a small Roman military expedition to the Niger River looking for where all that gold was coming from, so that's not controversial. Presumably the Romans decided the Sahara was too much of an impediment to attempt conquest which was why they dropped it. A wise decision, the Sahara didn't stop trade caravans but the idea of taking, holding, and administering territory on the other side... yikes. I've wondered about routes crossing the Sahel going from the Niger, to Lake Chad and on to the southern part of Nubia and the Nile as an early route of trade that bypassed Rome entirely. Something that cuts to Nubia or one of the Pre-Aksum states and ties into the Red Sea trade from there. It would explain why Indian material shows up earlier in the region than North African and Roman stuff. Hampered of course by the fact that the archaeology of the Trans-Sahel between Nubia and Lake Chad is fairly poor, and if anyone was writing anything down, it was likely in Meroitic, which we still can't understand. Forest routes that went into Igboland are also possibly a thing, but tropical central Africa is probably the single least well know area of the world in archaeology.
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There has to be a ton of cool stuff to find in that region of Africa, I'm hoping as things improve there archaeology becomes more widespread.
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Nov 8, 2019 23:47
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What were the most popular ways of starting fires back in Roman times? It just occurred to me that making a fire is the biggest hassle of most survival situations, but it probably would've been a daily chore for a lot of people back in ancient times. Did most people keep some flint on them at all times, or were friction methods more popular? And did city slickers and nobles ever wind up not even knowing how to make a fire since normally somebody else did that for them?
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Huh, I had absolutely no idea about it but apparently flint and metal firestarters were the standard, they're super common artifacts: http://www.ancientromangoods.com/artifacts/firestarters
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Did a typical Roman urban house in the first century CE have a hearth? I have seen portable braziers from Pompeii and was wondering if it was similar to Teotihuacan where they used portable braziers and you don't find hearths in apartment compounds.
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Nov 9, 2019 05:22
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undergraduate simulator posted:Webster's dictionary defines the Roman Empire as a "dominate and rule over the world, the power of an empire." However, as I'll show in a later essay, the Roman Empire was not as omnipotent as it was commonly portrayed. The empire did not rule the entire world; it was a region that was dominated by it (though not by its size, since it stretched from North Africa to South America) and it was the ruling power over the whole Roman world, although in certain provinces it was still not the supreme power. The Romans made a great effort to control their neighbors, to make sure that nobody got too powerful, but they were still limited by geography, by the power of others, and by the vagaries of fortune. The Romans, at least in the first two centuries A.D., were not a superpower.
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underage at the vape shop posted:Maps to Atlantis There's something a time traveller could sell in Ancient Rome: maps to the homes of famous people.
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