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I forgot to ask the most important question - what's your budget? For storing modern games remotely, I've had issues getting that to work properly, and they're so large that the load times are bad enough on an internal HDD, let alone over a gigabit network. Emulator-related stuff and media are fine. QNAP and Synology devices can run docker and there's plenty of docker containers for all your downloader needs. Plex has a list of NAS devices that shows which ones are able to transcode a single stream at what levels https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1MfYoJkiwSqCXg8cm5-Ac4oOLPRtCkgUxU0jdj3tmMPc/edit#gid=1274624273 (From https://support.plex.tv/articles/201373803-nas-compatibility-list/)
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Actuarial Fables posted:For storing modern games remotely, I've had issues getting that to work properly, and they're so large that the load times are bad enough on an internal HDD, let alone over a gigabit network. Emulator-related stuff and media are fine. That’s why you buy a couple 10GbE cards and plug your NAS right into your gaming rig 
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Note, to transcode from Synology with plex you need to be on plex premium or whatever, unless you use the Synology version. Which is kind of stripped down.
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Paul MaudDib posted:That’s why you buy a couple 10GbE cards and plug your NAS right into your gaming rig Correct. Even if you don't have 10GbE backhaul. It'll prevent overhead.
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Thanks goons. Didn't realise it could be overkill to THAT extend but I did feel it would give me room for growth. Maybe too much?  So maybe I should jus- Paul MaudDib posted:That’s why you buy a couple 10GbE cards and plug your NAS right into your gaming rig  Actuarial Fables posted:I forgot to ask the most important question - what's your budget? I was thinking 500 for the NAS itself but its not a hard limit.
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Mindblast posted:Thanks goons. Didn't realise it could be overkill to THAT extend but I did feel it would give me room for growth. Maybe too much? haha just kidding... unless? https://www.ebay.com/itm/Supermicro-AOC-STGN-I2S-Rev-2-0-10GbE-Dual-Port-SFP-Network-Card-USED/254383311181 https://www.ebay.com/itm/MNPA19-XTR-Mellanox-EN-ConnectX-2-1-Port-10GbE-Network-Adapter/153479661833 https://www.ebay.com/itm/Cisco-Twinax-Passive-Cable/223481569544
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10gigE isn't cheap, but it's also not that expensive for a small setup. Refurbished NICs can be had for <$50, and short run cables for <$20. Switches are still expensive, with the cheapest I know of being a 4 port (+1 gigE port) Mikrotik for $130. But if both systems are in the same room, or on the other side of a wall you can poke a hole through, you can do a direct connection for under $100.
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Lowest I have seen 12tb drives ($180). The future is coming. https://slickdeals.net/f/13524082-12tb-wd-easystore-external-usb-3-0-hard-drive-179-99-free-shipping?v=1&src=frontpage https://www.bestbuy.com/site/wd-easystore-12tb-external-usb-3-0-hard-drive-black/6364259.p?skuId=6364259 Moey fucked around with this message at 15:39 on Nov 7, 2019 |
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If you want to shuck drives wd external 10tb were/are. $160 all over
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Mindblast posted:I was thinking 500 for the NAS itself but its not a hard limit. With or without drives? 500 w/o drives can get you a pretty beefy home NAS appliance, and is also within the build-your-own price range as well. Using an off the shelf NAS is a lot simpler and you don't have to do as much janitoring, but building your own gives your a lot more flexibility in what it's capable of (and is typically a lot more powerful). https://www.amazon.com/Synology-bay-DiskStation-DS918-Diskless/dp/B075N1Z9LT/ https://www.amazon.com/QNAP-TS-451-2G-US-Quad-Core-Transcoding/dp/B015VNLGF8 Reaching above $500 will get into devices that have built-in or optional expansion slots for 10gbit networking, if that's something you're actually considering. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07BMYKYKJ/ The 4-bay devices are what you should be aiming at for your specified needs. Throw in some high-capacity HDDs and put it in RAID5. If you're interested in building your own, have a look at Unraid. It's very beginner friendly.
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Roundboy posted:If you want to shuck drives wd external 10tb were/are. $160 all over Yeah but this makes the 12TB slightly cheaper on a $/GB basis, and if you're limited on drive count then 12TB may just plain be more attractive anyway.
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I have an old rear end HP N40L microserver with 6 HDDs in it using freenas with ZFS. I also have a newer ShuttlePC that is way better specced but the problem is that it will only fit 2 HDDs internally. Does anyone know of a cheap and decent external enclosure (either 4 or 6 drives) that I can hook up to some type of HBA card in the ShuttlePC? I'm cheap so something that isn't crazy expensive.
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Actuarial Fables posted:With or without drives? 500 without drives is fine. And I enjoy tinkering so I'll go read up on Unraid as well. Lots of good poo poo. Thanks! 
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Mindblast posted:500 without drives is fine. And I enjoy tinkering so I'll go read up on Unraid as well. I use Unraid and don't know poo poo about linux, its fun to play with and learn new things. There is a youtube channel called space invader one that teaches a lot about how to do stuff in unraid with step by step instructions. Originally I had a server with 4x 4tb drives that ran plex, sabnzbd, radarr, and sonarr, which was about a year and half ago. I have since added 4x 8TB drives, which is like 32 TBs of storage with dual parity with my other drives. I have also added dockers for Pihole, a Steam caching server, and a pfsense VM which I use for my router now and a bunch of other little things. I really can't recommend unraid enough for an easy to use server for your house that can run a lot of poo poo.
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My one worry about unraid is figuring out how to determine which drive died in the case of one going. Just have the SATA ports on an old 2500K PC.
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priznat posted:My one worry about unraid is figuring out how to determine which drive died in the case of one going. Just have the SATA ports on an old 2500K PC. I haven't used Unraid in a while, but it should display the serial number of the drive somewhere. The serial number is printed on the drive's sticker, so you can just look at your drives to figure out which one you need to replace.
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Actuarial Fables posted:I haven't used Unraid in a while, but it should display the serial number of the drive somewhere. The serial number is printed on the drive's sticker, so you can just look at your drives to figure out which one you need to replace. Ah that will make it not too bad then!
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Also, do yourself a favor and make a list of what drive is installed where, by serial number. That way you know which drive to pull instead of pulling each one until you get the right one. It can also be useful if the dead drive shits itself so bad that it won't identify itself via SMART, so you can make the server give you a list of what drives it sees and you can know from there which serial is missing.
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There is an Unraid add on that will turn on the light for a failed drive (assuming you have external bays).
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I feel like there is a plugin that i have on my machine that you can mark where various things are on your machine, like whats in each pci slot, and physical location of drives from top to bottom on a little graph of a tower. I will have to look when I get home.
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Cool, good info thanks all! That plugin sounds handy too.
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Moey posted:Lowest I have seen 12tb drives ($180). The future is coming. Oooh, this is entering what I'd marked as my upgrade zone -- 12+TB @ $160-180. Guess I have to start squirreling away some budget now. Not looking forward to resilvering 6 drives up from my 5TB Reds, but surely 48TB will be enough for a long time, right ..
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IOwnCalculus posted:Also, do yourself a favor and make a list of what drive is installed where, by serial number. That way you know which drive to pull instead of pulling each one until you get the right one. It can also be useful if the dead drive shits itself so bad that it won't identify itself via SMART, so you can make the server give you a list of what drives it sees and you can know from there which serial is missing. I've printed stickers with the serial and put them on both ends of the drive.
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kiwid posted:I have an old rear end HP N40L microserver with 6 HDDs in it using freenas with ZFS. Mediasonic makes these multi-bay enclosures that connect via USB3 (or eSATA); is something like this cheap enough?
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Been trying to order 2 of the 8tb easystores from amazon for an hour. Either they're hard crashed or my card is going to be charged for 100,000$.
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I'm going to be building myself a new NAS in the near future, since 12tb drives are apparently stupidly cheap right now. I haven't started properly shopping cases/boards/etc yet, but my suspicion is that I'm going to want to put 8-12 drives in it. Anyone have a variety of case they're particularly fond of for such things? Ease of working on it being the main concern.
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Unoriginality posted:I'm going to be building myself a new NAS in the near future, since 12tb drives are apparently stupidly cheap right now. I haven't started properly shopping cases/boards/etc yet, but my suspicion is that I'm going to want to put 8-12 drives in it. Anyone have a variety of case they're particularly fond of for such things? Ease of working on it being the main concern. Fractal Design R5 does up to 10 drives, U-NAS NSC810A or Silverstone DS 380B let you do 8 drives, if you want to go 12+ you may want to think about a disk shelf like DS4243 (and you'll probably want to swap the IOM units so it can be driven with a standard SAS card).
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Atomizer posted:Mediasonic makes these multi-bay enclosures that connect via USB3 (or eSATA); is something like this cheap enough? Yes that's interesting. Thanks.
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Paul MaudDib posted:Fractal Design R5 does up to 10 drives, U-NAS NSC810A or Silverstone DS 380B let you do 8 drives, if you want to go 12+ you may want to think about a disk shelf like DS4243 (and you'll probably want to swap the IOM units so it can be driven with a standard SAS card). You can add additional HDD cages to the Fractal R5 and fit 12-15 drives.
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I put Ombi on my server tonight and the app on my wife's phone and now she can search poo poo herself without asking me to do it. It is pretty fantastic.
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Unoriginality posted:I'm going to be building myself a new NAS in the near future, since 12tb drives are apparently stupidly cheap right now. I haven't started properly shopping cases/boards/etc yet, but my suspicion is that I'm going to want to put 8-12 drives in it. Anyone have a variety of case they're particularly fond of for such things? Ease of working on it being the main concern. I like the Rosewill 4U rackmount style cases, the RSV-L4500 can fit 15 drives in it plus pretty much any motherboard you could reasonably obtain fits in it.
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nerox posted:I put Ombi on my server tonight and the app on my wife's phone and now she can search poo poo herself without asking me to do it. It is pretty fantastic. Is sharing Plex libraries with goons allowed on SA? Anybody who wants access to mine can PM their email address to me.
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I am trying to setup letsencrypt on my server to get a reverse proxy going, which the unraid docker container needs port 80 to do, and my ISP is insistent that they do not block port 80. They are blocking port 80. 
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nerox posted:I am trying to setup letsencrypt on my server to get a reverse proxy going, which the unraid docker container needs port 80 to do, and my ISP is insistent that they do not block port 80. They are blocking port 80. You can use just 443 if you dns validation. Unraid itself tries to use port 80/443 so you can run into issues trying to give a container those ports directly. The workaround is to map container port 80/443 to host port 8080/8443 (arbitrary port numbers, can use whatever) and on your router port forward 80/443 to 8080/8443.
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You can also change the unraid webui port. I did and it seems fine.
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Heners_UK posted:You can also change the unraid webui port. I did and it seems fine. And for the crowning nerdy way of doing it - put a Haproxy instance on port 80+443 and use it as a http router. (basically "acl if ^/.acme/.*$ backend = let's encrypt, elsif remote_host ~ ^192.168.1.[0-255] backend unraid, else default static 404.html.) Also don't expose unraid to the internet.
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Gay Retard posted:Is sharing Plex libraries with goons allowed on SA? Anybody who wants access to mine can PM their email address to me. Considering Lowtax himself offered access to his own PMS a year or so ago, I'd guess it's still OK! I'm assuming the only thing prohibited is selling access to pirated content à la Reddit.
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So what's the thread opinion of HGST brand drives ? I need as many TBs as I can get for $200-250ish, up to 4 physical drives. I found brand new 3TB HUS724030ALA640 (0F14689) @ $50 each on newegg, would get 4 of them.
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MREBoy posted:So what's the thread opinion of HGST brand drives ? I need as many TBs as I can get for $200-250ish, up to 4 physical drives. I found brand new 3TB HUS724030ALA640 (0F14689) @ $50 each on newegg, would get 4 of them. In the past, in the Backblaze Hard Drive Stats, HGST have had some of the lowest failure rates out there. Looking at the latest one however, They're usually quite good drives.
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