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Ershalim posted:So the FDA is apparently paralyzed by being underfunded, then? I know it's still kind of world-class in its ability to regulate food and drugs (specifically), but I had always heard that part of its problem was that it was responsible not only for the regulation of food, but also the marketing of it due to extensive efforts of things like the beef lobby. The entity that's simultaneously regulating and marketing food is USDA- they do have capture problems, but the situation there is complicated in other weird ways because USDA is structured very differently and has several parallel sub-organizations with the common mission statement of "stabilize the US agroeconomy and world food supply." It is unironically a land of contrasts with some super weird sometimes-okay coordination between big ag and the government. USDA under Trump is also undergoing horrible cuts and reorganizations that are intended to force career officials out. There's massive brain drain there at the moment, especially in their analytics divisions. re: food supply supplementation, I don't know that there's been any more scientific findings that would support new marketwide supplementation in the US; nutrition research is pretty lousy, but the US doesn't have any signs of systematic deficiencies to my knowledge (and with many nutrients there's a balancing act to avoid overdosing people). Any remotely sane Democratic presidency (i.e. not Williamson, Yang or Gabbard) would be an improvement for FDA on most fronts, but to my knowledge none have made it a priority. The challenge for fixing FDA's problems (and the problems of many federal agencies) is that doing it right will take almost a decade of focused funding increases and deep structural reformulation. The situation is made a little more nuanced because some FDA policy areas don't break down along the usual party lines; DSHEA was a bipartisan bill, and many bad FDA regulated actors with significant pull are from Democratic states, with Democratic donations. Trump's first FDA leader was remarkably good (until he quit, at which point he immediately joined a free market group and started lobbying to reverse some of his own actions, sigh).
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Mr Interweb posted:https://twitter.com/WilliamShatner/status/1193535512734126081 Nimoy should have been the one who lived
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TulliusCicero posted:Nimoy should have been the one who lived
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Mr Interweb posted:https://twitter.com/WilliamShatner/status/1193535512734126081 It isn't.  He's citing perishable produce and mass-use consumer items as a means to express that costs haven't risen as much as people say they have as a way of discounting the argument that people are more poor relative to the past because of wage stagnation. The reality, of course, is that prole goods haven't increased in price because wages are stagnant, and not the other way around. Ultimately it means small-time producers are effectively priced out of existence because keeping prices that low is only possible with economies of scale and subsidies, if you wanted to make the argument from the supply side.Discendo Vox posted:re: food supply supplementation, I don't know that there's been any more scientific findings that would support new marketwide supplementation in the US; nutrition research is pretty lousy, but the US doesn't have any signs of systematic deficiencies to my knowledge (and with many nutrients there's a balancing act to avoid overdosing people). Thanks for the correction about the agency that I was thinking of. The information is really interesting. I think that nutrition science is generally pretty good, but it has a severe dissemination problem -- actual medical nutrition scientists are very well-versed in what is good for people, but the infosphere is inundated with so much bullshit and bad science with poo poo-tons of money that it's almost impossible to sort out the good information from the bullshit. Currently the poor communities (particularly those of color) are so under-provided for by doctors that studies of what deficiencies may exist probably aren't being done. Huge swathes of people in food deserts don't have primary care physicians at all, so I imagine there's poo poo like rickets and Kwashiorkor. [that's the stomach distension you see in National Geographic among the seriously food-starved children.] Ershalim fucked around with this message at 01:15 on Nov 11, 2019 |
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Didn’t Shatner have some David E Kelley show 15 years ago where he’s a chud lawyer who shoots a mugger and gloats about it and it’s played for yuks?
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A group of Nazi protestors (as in protestors who are Nazis) disrupted a Charlie Kirk and Don Jr press event for his book 'TRIGGERED.' They were boo'd off stage.
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evilweasel posted:yeah no Hope someone in the government, who happens to wear a MAGA hat on they're time off, and is in charge of auditing, doesn't find out about PJ's leanings.
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Dad Jokes posted:well you see, he never said the magic crime words "quid pro quo", thus there was no crime. it's a like a magic spell, if you don't say it exactly, the crime doesn't work i could just see him asking "are you a cop? you have to tell me if you are a cop."
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Ague Proof posted:A group of Nazi protestors (as in protestors who are Nazis) disrupted a Charlie Kirk and Don Jr press event for his book 'TRIGGERED.' They were boo'd off stage. What was the reasoning here?
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beejay posted:How is this US Politics? An evil clown-shaped monster invades our every thought and also occasionally murders children.
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Nazis are organizing protests against Dan Crenshaw, Charlie Kirk, and Donald Jr. Let them fight. Ice Phisherman posted:What was the reasoning here? Support for the state of Israel. And not being racist enough.
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"caring about politics is unhealthy" is the ypipo-est possible take
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Ershalim posted:An evil clown-shaped monster invades our every thought and also occasionally murders children.
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Ague Proof posted:Nazis are organizing protests against Dan Crenshaw, Charlie Kirk, and Donald Jr. Whatever makes them fight each other is good by me.
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Discendo Vox posted:Usda Someday, perhaps sooner than i expect I can tell you what I see re FGIS.
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Ice Phisherman posted:Whatever makes them fight each other is good by me. We should make certain that both sides know how incredibly triggering this fight is to leftists.
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Bar Ran Dun posted:Someday, perhaps sooner than i expect I can tell you what I see re FGIS. Case in point on the limits of my knowledge, I barely knew this was a thing, and now I'm dying to know more. Though if it is how I think it is, I hope you can't say anything for a long time. ...for all its issues, I love USDA. The concept is so drat socialist. 
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FRONTLINE: In the Age of AI pbs.org/Aired: 11/05/19 "From fears about work and privacy to a rivalry between the U.S. and China, FRONTLINE explores the promise and perils of AI. The documentary traces a new industrial revolution that will reshape and disrupt our lives, our jobs and our world, and allow the emergence of the surveillance society." [Two hours run time. More about the present and future impact and politics of AI than the technology. Four stars for those who need a solid background.]
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Ershalim posted:An evil clown-shaped monster invades our every thought and also occasionally murders children. Ok I’ll allow it, Pennywise is now USPOL
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Ice Phisherman posted:What was the reasoning here? are you familiar with the distinction between "alt-right" and "alt-lite" if so, this is a pretty quick one: the alt-right is trying to reclaim space from the alt-lite on grounds that the Charlie Kirks, Trump Jrs, and Dan Crenshaws of the world are just culture warriors, not actually in it for existential fascist struggle. they're not WRONG that the mainstream conservative media considers their views useful only for getting votes for Republicans, but ultimately it smells a lot like a desperation play from people worried that the window on bringing proper fascism to america closed some time in early 2018.
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Otteration posted:FRONTLINE: In the Age of AI If you're interested in AI I'd strongly suggest the sleepwalkers podcast. It's fantastic near future stuff. Prester Jane posted:We should make certain that both sides know how incredibly triggering this fight is to leftists. We could all let everyone know just how not mad Don Jr. is. After all, the very first line of his book is that he's not mad. He looks like the kind of guy who definitely isn't mad with his "I'm going through a divorce" beard. So not mad.
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Prester Jane posted:We should make certain that both sides know how incredibly triggering this fight is to leftists. It is even more triggering if they lock themselves up in a room until only one side is left.
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for those who don't know the distinction: in far-right circles there's a distinction drawn between the kind of people who celebrate synagogue shooters for fighting back against (((SOROS)))'s attempts to destroy american culture, and the kind of people who say synagogue shooters are just another tragic consequence of Soros's attempts to destroy american culture. alt-right, alt-lite. Richard Spencer, Milo Yiannopolus.
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:are you familiar with the distinction between "alt-right" and "alt-lite" I'd heard about the alt-lite in passing, but I hadn't given thought that they're actually diverging. Do you have any good sources on the divergence? Hunt11 posted:It is even more triggering if they lock themselves up in a room until only one side is left. This is me misunderstanding the quote and fixing my response. Ice Phisherman fucked around with this message at 02:22 on Nov 11, 2019 |
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https://mobile.twitter.com/mmpadellan/status/1193692787113385984 Happy veterans day!
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/mmpadellan/status/1193692787113385984 I mean, technically it's just a reassignment, but goddamn if the optics aren't some hamfisted poo poo.
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How the U.S. betrayed the Marshall Islands, kindling the next nuclear disaster latimes.com/Nov. 10, 2019 "Five thousand miles west of Los Angeles and 500 miles north of the equator, on a far-flung spit of white coral sand in the central Pacific, a massive, aging and weathered concrete dome bobs up and down with the tide. Here in the Marshall Islands, Runit Dome holds more than 3.1 million cubic feet — or 35 Olympic-sized swimming pools — of U.S.-produced radioactive soil and debris, including lethal amounts of plutonium. Nowhere else has the United States saddled another country with so much of its nuclear waste, a product of its Cold War atomic testing program." Castle Bravo wikipedia.org/ "Castle Bravo's yield was 15 megatons of TNT, 2.5 times the predicted 6.0 megatons, due to unforeseen additional reactions involving 7Li,[3] which led to the unexpected radioactive contamination of areas to the east of Bikini Atoll. At the time, it was the most powerful artificial explosion in history. Fallout, the most heavy of which in the form of pulverized surface coral from the detonation fell on residents of Rongelap and Utirik atolls, while the more particulate and gaseous fallout spread around the world. The inhabitants of the islands were not evacuated until three days later and suffered radiation sickness. Twenty-three crew members of the Japanese fishing vessel Daigo Fukuryū Maru ("Lucky Dragon No. 5") were also contaminated by the heavy fallout, experiencing acute radiation syndrome. The blast incited international reaction over atmospheric thermonuclear testing.[4]" .... "Radioactive fallout was spread eastward onto the inhabited Rongelap and Rongerik atolls, which were evacuated[30] 48 hours after the detonation.[31] In 1957, the Atomic Energy Commission deemed Rongelap safe to return, and allowed 82 inhabitants to move back to the island. Upon their return, they discovered that their previous staple foods, including arrowroot, makmok, and fish, had either disappeared or gave residents various illnesses,[32] and were again removed.[33] Ultimately, 15 islands and atolls were contaminated, and by 1963 Marshall Islands natives began to suffer from thyroid tumors, including 20 of 29 Rongelap children at the time of Bravo, and many birth defects were reported.[medical citation needed] The islanders received compensation from the U.S. government, relative to how much contamination they received, beginning in 1956; by 1995 the Nuclear Claims Tribunal reported that it had awarded $43.2 million, nearly its entire fund, to 1,196 claimants for 1,311 illnesses.[31] A medical study, named Project 4.1, studied the effects of the fallout on the islanders.[31]"
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Ice Phisherman posted:This is the impulse that you no longer want to discuss politics or think about it and that ship has long sailed. Your desire for the absence of conflict is misguided. If you want to end conflict, seek to resolve the material deprivations caused by capitalism that cause stress in ordinary people. Until that stress is gone, you're going to hear this poo poo for a long time. I think you quoted the wrong post as mine was just about how great it would be if Nazis and Republicans would continue to fight among themselves.
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Ice Phisherman posted:You are a star and I like you. No need to apologize. Thank you! I feel the same way, but I do think that you're far, far more of a star than I am. I just sorta waddle around and say a bunch of stupid stuff, really. Ice Phisherman posted:The problem with fascism is that it doesn't come forth from the void. It comes from stress. Whether that stress is manufactured on purpose like for your average Fox News viewer or if it comes from the stresses of living under capitalism, dealing with fascism doesn't end with routing the fascists. Until we ratchet down stress on average people, the very system we live in will be fertile ground for fascism and we won't be prepared for a competent fascist. We lucked out with how loving dumb and incompetent Trump is. We most likely won't get this chance again. This means electing people who will make change and make radical change that offends the millionaire and billionaire class, to redistribute the wealth that they're hoarding so regular people don't die of preventable diseases or starve when we waste roughly 40% of our food or from climate change. I like this too. As simple as it is to look at the alt-right as an enemy to beaten back or whatever, it's genuinely unfair to them. I'm thinking about Representative Tlaib expressing concern for ICE workers due to their low morale and the stuff they have to do on a daily basis. I absolutely see and empathize with where she and you are coming from. At the end of the day, if we're not able to make a better world, and show them that fascism, bigotry, and hatred aren't going to give them better lives, then what have we really won or proved? If we don't have empathy, compassion, a desire to help them anyway, maybe all we're doing is legitimating their tactics and lambasting them only for choosing the wrong side, not for embracing ideologies that place children in concentration camps and expedite the process by which bigotry becomes policy. As you can imagine, that thought's kind of a worrying one for me. It can't come down to us failing because we're not "hurting the right people" or that we need to be putting the right children in camps, or that we need a President Trump, but better, to succeed. The world we need to make has to be a clean break away from all of that, and boy did I make that sound like an easy thing to accomplish just now. Ague Proof posted:Nazis are organizing protests against Dan Crenshaw, Charlie Kirk, and Donald Jr. This must be the dumbest timeline.
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Ice Phisherman posted:I'd heard about the alt-lite in passing, but I hadn't given thought that they're actually diverging. Do you have any good sources on the divergence? these disruptions are about all the source you're going to get beyond spending a bunch of time consuming a bunch of their media tbh. i expect Will Sommer to have a decent piece out on it sooner than later but he hasn't done a rundown yet. part of the underlying humor/horror is that they're -not- really diverging. they're still all a bunch of fuckers convinced that to preserve American culture we're going to have to get rid of all the Undesirables, it's just that the Charlie Kirks of the world figure that the death camps for immigrants we've got right now are doing the job adequately, and the people disrupting his events want the army deployed to the streets to gun down anybody who doesn't pass the paper bag test next week. but ultimately this doesn't even rise to the level of intra-party fighting. everyone involved is totally on board with the politics of white supremacy. this is just quibbling about whether creating the model ethnostate both sides aspire to turn America into earns you honorary white status.
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Hunt11 posted:I think you quoted the wrong post as mine was just about how great it would be if Nazis and Republicans would continue to fight among themselves. Aw beans, I misunderstood. Sorry. Dammerung posted:Thank you! I feel the same way, but I do think that you're far, far more of a star than I am. I just sorta waddle around and say a bunch of stupid stuff, really. Imagine me making a farting noise with my mouth. Good points are good points. My posts aren't to self-aggrandize, but to challenge. Sometimes I even don't make an rear end of myself. quote:I like this too. As simple as it is to look at the alt-right as an enemy to beaten back or whatever, it's genuinely unfair to them. I'm thinking about Representative Tlaib expressing concern for ICE workers due to their low morale and the stuff they have to do on a daily basis. I absolutely see and empathize with where she and you are coming from. At the end of the day, if we're not able to make a better world, and show them that fascism, bigotry, and hatred aren't going to give them better lives, then what have we really won or proved? I don't really think that we can save some people. I'd love it if we could, but if someone's livelihood depends on them doing something wrong, they're purposefully not going to understand it. Also they're basically unchecked. During the Obama administration there were so many complaints about ICE that they stopped recording them. Now that they're under Trump, the mask comes off and they do evil with few if any checks. quote:If we don't have empathy, compassion, a desire to help them anyway, maybe all we're doing is legitimating their tactics and lambasting them only for choosing the wrong side, not for embracing ideologies that place children in concentration camps and expedite the process by which bigotry becomes policy. As you can imagine, that thought's kind of a worrying one for me. It can't come down to us failing because we're not "hurting the right people" or that we need to be putting the right children in camps, or that we need a President Trump, but better, to succeed. The world we need to make has to be a clean break away from all of that, and boy did I make that sound like an easy thing to accomplish just now. Empathy is nourishment to some and absolutely wasted on others. There are some people who given time and isolation you can maybe deprogram, but I'd rather just marginalize them and forbid their access to power over individuals forever.
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