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GreyjoyBastard posted:So I actually have a related question: is the new election intended to be for... all the congressional whatnot, or just for the presidency? I mean, no one knows that happens next. The person who had called for the next election has been forced to resign and most other leaders from his party have either resigned under threat of violence or fled the country.
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Wobbuffet posted:*She Even with your incredibly slanted and uncharitable take that sounds WAY better than nazis. This shouldn't be a hard choice.
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joepinetree posted:I mean, no one knows that happens next. The person who had called for the next election has been forced to resign and most other leaders from his party have either resigned under threat of violence or fled the country. yeah i kinda figured the answer would be "nobody knows, let's find out"
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you got nazis. and like, not even the potentially deniable level of someone, somewhere in your movement there is a nazi. They're straight up one of the oppo leaders and riding around on a loving truck with a giant swastika on it.
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Nov 11, 2019 06:26
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Mischievous Mink posted:Military coups are better than the dictatorship of people getting the candidate they voted for? And you think you're NOT the authoritarian here? Your only justification for this nonsense stance is that you pinkie swear lots of nazis are tired of being repressed. I'm not won over. I find your comments reprehensible. If you deluded yourself into thinking that millions of Bolivians are Nazis, then there is absolutely nothing else I can say to you.
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Wobbuffet posted:*She Where's your proof of this? OAS' claims have been largely discredited at this point. quote:ignored the February 21st referendum that the Bolivian majority voted against him running again, and who was running for a fourth term when it goes against our constitution? The courts say otherwise, and the majority of your compatriots don't seem to mind, given the vote tallies. Wobbuffet posted:I find your comments reprehensible. If you deluded yourself into thinking that millions of Bolivians are Nazis, then there is absolutely nothing else I can say to you. No one is saying millions of Bolivians are Nazis. What we are saying is that the coup leaders you're playing the apologist for are Nazis. You can tell by the swastikas and the show trials of leftists and the burning of ethnic minorities' symbols. Majorian fucked around with this message at 06:30 on Nov 11, 2019 |
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Der Waffle Mous posted:you got nazis. I for one welcome their contributions to the great “marketplace of ideas”
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Wobbuffet posted:I find your comments reprehensible. If you deluded yourself into thinking that millions of Bolivians are Nazis, then there is absolutely nothing else I can say to you. The fact that you have Nazis on your side is really breaking your brain, huh? You really have no thoughts when your faction in this coup happens to align with what nazis want? Literally your only excuse is "There are MILLIONS of us! We can't all be nazis!" Personally if Nazis were out waving the flag over a cause I was for, I'd not be doubling down on my beliefs.
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I have a tip to avoid being on the same side as the nazis in a conflict if politics are too complicated for you and you don't want to think too hard about it. Just try to look for which side has the swastikas and fascist symbols, then pick the other side. It's a good rule of thumb.
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You guys say he is one of the opposition leaders but I have never seen him or heard about him until this thread. It's godawful that someone has a swastika on their car in Bolivia. I still haven't figured out how to post videos here but La Paz is burning and it is burning because Morales supporters are lighting everything on fire.
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Nov 11, 2019 06:45
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Wobbuffet posted:You guys say he is one of the opposition leaders but I have never seen him or heard about him until this thread. It's godawful that someone has a swastika on their car in Bolivia. You don't seem to have put a lot of research into your side, but frankly after a military coup I don't blame Morales supporters for fighting back against flag bearing nazis. Nazis should be opposed wherever they congregate.
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Nov 11, 2019 06:47
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Wobbuffet posted:You guys say he is one of the opposition leaders but I have never seen him or heard about him until this thread. It's godawful that someone has a swastika on their car in Bolivia. Just upload them to Youtube and link the YT video.
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Wobbuffet posted:You guys say he is one of the opposition leaders but I have never seen him or heard about him until this thread. It's godawful that someone has a swastika on their car in Bolivia. If the opposition didn't want everything lit on fire maybe they shouldn't have couped the legitimate government, seems like a pretty reasonable response to the legitimate government getting couped to me.
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Democracy in action lmao. Can't believe the mental fortitude of the libs still wringing their hands over Morales after all this has come out.
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Wobbuffet posted:You guys say he is one of the opposition leaders but I have never seen him or heard about him until this thread. It's godawful that someone has a swastika on their car in Bolivia. Upload it to youtube and post the link here, that's by far the easiest Efb
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Nov 11, 2019 06:53
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Mischievous Mink posted:You don't seem to have put a lot of research into your side, but frankly after a military coup I don't blame Morales supporters for fighting back against flag bearing nazis. Nazis should be opposed wherever they congregate. So because one person here posted a guy from Twitter that called him the 'coup leader', he's now suddenly the opposition leader? That's laughable. Even the police video that was in that post said that it was some delinquents from that Santa Cruz radical group commiting crimes. Nothing about them being part of the opposition leadership.
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https://youtu.be/5KSA8KQl-48 Didn't upload this one personally. Is this how you link videos? Edit: https://youtu.be/bM17QJiwi50
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Ah, so it was just a totally unrelated Nazi death squad that happened to be in the area at the time killing the new coup regime's enemies. Cool.
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Ok look Morales broke the rules, ok? So now the nazis get to rule. Asi son las cosas. Fair play. Everyone knows that. Also these claims that they are only a little bit nazi are on pretty weak grounds considering all the flag burning. Also also, lol at this article https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/11/11/bolivians-jam-streets-celebrate-presidents-resignation/ quote:
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Mischievous Mink posted:The fact that you have Nazis on your side is really breaking your brain, huh? You really have no thoughts when your faction in this coup happens to align with what nazis want? Literally your only excuse is "There are MILLIONS of us! We can't all be nazis!" Personally if Nazis were out waving the flag over a cause I was for, I'd not be doubling down on my beliefs. Bob le Moche posted:I have a tip to avoid being on the same side as the nazis in a conflict if politics are too complicated for you and you don't want to think too hard about it. Just try to look for which side has the swastikas and fascist symbols, then pick the other side. It's a good rule of thumb. So if this is a military coup, and is lead by Nazis, then I guess your position is that the Bolivian military is lead by Nazis? 
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ANIME AKBAR posted:So if this is a military coup, and is lead by Nazis, then I guess your position is that the Bolivian military is lead by Nazis? Nobody said the Nazis are leading the military, they're just a big gross aspect of the pro-coup faction. I guess your position is if they don't have a Hitler cosplayer personally taking the presidential position there's no need to be concerned by them? You're a dipshit.
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ANIME AKBAR posted:So if this is a military coup, and is lead by Nazis, then I guess your position is that the Bolivian military is lead by Nazis? I, for one, have never heard of far-right-wing generals engaging in coups against left-wing leaders.
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Det_no posted:Ok look Morales broke the rules, ok? So now the nazis get to rule. Asi son las cosas. Fair play. Everyone knows that. No sé cuántas veces tengo que repetir que la wiphala no sé debería, ni por nada del mundo, ser quemada.
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Mischievous Mink posted:Nobody said the Nazis are leading the military, they're just a big gross aspect of the pro-coup faction.
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Wobbuffet posted:No sé cuántas veces tengo que repetir que la wiphala no sé debería, ni por nada del mundo, ser quemada. It's one thing to keep saying "Woah but I didn't know the violent military coup were racist nazis" but it begs the question of why you refuse to change your position at all in light of that fact. Nazis and racists loving suck, but there are ~millions~ of people on their side and Morales is a dictator by popular demand who has done a lot of good for the disadvantaged of the country and betterment of everyone. You're just plugging your ears and pretending you're not siding with evil. That's why nobody is satisfied with your stance.
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Wobbuffet posted:No sé cuántas veces tengo que repetir que la wiphala no sé debería, ni por nada del mundo, ser quemada. Well that's nice and all but they are doing it anyway. And those they are not burning, they are removing. quote:Police took down the "whipala" from major public buildings, including the Legislative Palace, the Electoral Tribunal and the General Police Command. As many in this thread have said already, we are all sure you have the best intentions but a pretty significant chunk of your fellow opposition members don't seem to. In fact, they behave in pretty alarming ways.
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Wobbuffet, can you respond to this twitter thread which seems to be a pretty clear discrediting of the OAS claims of fraud? https://twitter.com/kevinmcashman/status/1193703918624108544 Also, didn't your nation's highest court rule that term limits are unconstitutional? Do you think Bolivians shouldn't obey their highest court?
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Wobbuffet posted:No sé cuántas veces tengo que repetir que la wiphala no sé debería, ni por nada del mundo, ser quemada. It's great that you don't support it, but...it clearly doesn't bother you that much. If it did, you wouldn't, you know. Be playing the coup apologist so stolidly.
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How long will it take to capture La Paz? 2 days Will Morales be killed? Yes Total Bolivian civillian casualties: 500 dead Total military casualties Bolivia: 3000 dead Total military casualties U.S.: 15 dead Will the Bolivian army regulars hold the lines? No Will the Colorados fight to the end? No Will chem/bio weapons be used on invading troops?: Yes Will Morales launch attacks on the Andeans? Yes Will Morales launch attacks on Brazil? No -If yes; will Brazil retaliate harshly? Yes Will Morales sacrifice La Paz (gas/nuke it)? No Will the Andeans make a grab for independence? Yes Will Chile do anything silly like try for land? Yes Will Morales burn the oil fields? Yes How long will the US be occupying Bolivia? ~15 years Will the Bolivian war catalyze increased terrorism in America? No In the long run, will this war be good or bad for the world? Good
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Wobbuffet posted:No sé cuántas veces tengo que repetir que la wiphala no sé debería, ni por nada del mundo, ser quemada. what uncharacteristic black-and-white thinking. think of the nuance! there have been mistakes on both sides. for example, the opposition is gleefully burning symbols of the indigenous peoples of Bolivia, but the indigenous peoples of Bolivia -did- talk back to the people using them as slave labor every once in a while, so in a sense, don't they have some retribution coming? much like Morales' family members deserved to have their houses burned down, and every member of his political party in the line of succession needed to be dragged before a kangaroo court by masked gunmen to renounce their positions, because opposition figures are just so gosh-darned scared of the violent rhetoric of the left.
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Wobbuffet posted:*She All of this can be true and it can still be a coup. The coup happened the day he called for election, literally inviting in foreign actors to facilitate it. The military didn't even wait to tip their hand.
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Mischievous Mink posted:It's one thing to keep saying "Woah but I didn't know the violent military coup were racist nazis" but it begs the question of why you refuse to change your position at all in light of that fact. Nazis and racists loving suck, but there are ~millions~ of people on their side and Morales is a dictator by popular demand who has done a lot of good for the disadvantaged of the country and betterment of everyone. You're just plugging your ears and pretending you're not siding with evil. That's why nobody is satisfied with your stance. I'm not changing my stance on the opposition because the only claim that an opposition leader is a Nazi is from a random tweet. And in that said tweet, there's a video of a policeman saying that there were Nazi vandals causing chaos in Santa Cruz. How this was linked to Bolivian opposition I have no idea.
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Wobbuffet posted:I'm not changing my stance on the opposition because the only claim that an opposition leader is a Nazi is from a random tweet. And in that said tweet, there's a video of a policeman saying that there were Nazi vandals causing chaos in Santa Cruz. How this was linked to Bolivian opposition I have no idea. You should change your stance because military coups are bad. It's that simple.
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Wobbuffet posted:And in that said tweet, there's a video of a policeman saying that there were Nazi vandals causing chaos in Santa Cruz. How this was linked to Bolivian opposition I have no idea. oh my
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:what uncharacteristic black-and-white thinking. think of the nuance! there have been mistakes on both sides. for example, the opposition is gleefully burning symbols of the indigenous peoples of Bolivia, but the indigenous peoples of Bolivia -did- talk back to the people using them as slave labor every once in a while, so in a sense, don't they have some retribution coming? *Sigh* No matter how much I detest Evo Morales and his party, the wiphala has a rich, centuries old history for the indigenous people of Bolivia and people who are burning it are definitely in the wrong. I already mentioned how I do not condone anyone's house being burnt down. And speaking about arson, Evo sympathizers are burning down multiple houses here in La Paz right now.
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Wobbuffet posted:*Sigh* No matter how much I detest Evo Morales and his party, the wiphala has a rich, centuries old history for the indigenous people of Bolivia and people who are burning it are definitely in the wrong. "Can't believe people aren't just peacefully accepting the coup, this is why we needed a coup."
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Majorian posted:The courts say otherwise, and the majority of your compatriots don't seem to mind, given the vote tallies.
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Wobbuffet posted:*Sigh* No matter how much I detest Evo Morales and his party Why do you detest Evo Morales and his party? It seems to me like all he's done is, A, make life better for the underclasses of Bolivia, and B, run for another term, which the country's Supreme Court ruled as legal.
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Wobbuffet posted:*Sigh* No matter how much I detest Evo Morales and his party, the wiphala has a rich, centuries old history for the indigenous people of Bolivia and people who are burning it are definitely in the wrong. The problems are bad! But the causes? Those are good.
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Majorian posted:It's great that you don't support it, but...it clearly doesn't bother you that much. If it did, you wouldn't, you know. Be playing the coup apologist so stolidly. And this where I solidly disagree with the majority of you. You guys see this as a coup, me and millions of other Bolivianos view this as an authoritarian stepping down from power after the people had enough of his illegal bid for the presidency.
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