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Another Person posted:this is terrible news there is not actually a positive read on it It makes it easier to call the brexit party an extension of the Tory party for the narrow subset of lab/bpx voter who wouldn’t vote Tory but yeah, pretty poo poo. Re: the who is better for the nhs poll, most people see through these sort of questions and will just vote the party line on them regardless so an evenly split vote is probably fine tbh.
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CyberPingu posted:Its super hard to solve, the underlying issues are that whenever a party comes in, they spend a lot of time trying to undo what the last party did wrong (or right if you are the tories because why would they let anything good happen). The obvious thing is either make bills more difficult to pass or make them more difficult to be removed, however that opens up a whole other can of worms and if something horrendous gets through it means its staying there. Or just make it harder for Tories to be elected
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please start canvassing in target marginals btw, this is a nasty election to fight and every body is needed in the field
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ThomasPaine posted:Or just make it harder for Tories to be elected Its a very touchy issue, but i think if you reach 70 you shouldnt be allowed to vote on anything that will have a lasting effect on the country.
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Steve2911 posted:our sensible centrist friends Quite the oxymoron
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the people it helps most are tory newbies standing in seats where the incumbent isn't running (and most of those have massive majorities anyway)
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CyberPingu posted:Its a very touchy issue, but i think if you reach 70 you shouldnt be allowed to vote on anything that will have a lasting effect on the country. Yeah, I actually 100% agree. Once you have retired you should no longer be able to vote, and the vote should also be extended to anyone who is legally able to work. It's probably well out of the Overton window to openly argue this atm but I don't think it's as difficult a position to coherently defend as it first appears.
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Don't think we were going to be able to rely on BXP splitting the right vote that much, given how dismally they're polling. Still, the right falls in line much better than the left. Not expecting the greens or SNP giving up fighting seats in the same way. And obviously lib Dems are nothing but grifters. Hard not to be a bit despondent between this and the BBC flat out bullshitting for Johnson. What would be interesting is knowing what Nigel is getting out of this. Maybe a gong?
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winegums posted:
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I appreciate pessimists always think themselves soothsayers when something goes wrong, but it was very, very obvious that the conservatives and garage would work something out. still, a little late now tbh. gonna cause resentment in the base I’d wager.
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twoot posted:For those that signed up to the secret Momentum volunteering form - how long did it take to get a reply? It was just a few automated reply emails for me, giving me stuff to read and accept - then it emailed me a Slack invite and I signed up and joined that. Maybe it wasn't automated, it was just someone really on the ball?
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I'm kind of hoping that  will mean that despite their insistence on not propping up Corbyn, the lib dems would actually definitely do so if it got them back into government
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Doccykins posted:the people it helps most are tory newbies standing in seats where the incumbent isn't running (and most of those have massive majorities anyway) That list, unless I'm reading it wrong, is definitely missing some seats. Pudsey is a con majority of 300 and Morley and Outwood is Con by 2000 and neither are on it.
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Probably a couple pages too late but poppers (nitriles) can have cardiovascular side effects and interact with some frequently prescribed drugs. Please do your research and never trick anyone into altering themselves. Disclose risks and discuss responsibly. Thanks.
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I've been talking to some friends about the election and most of them are staunch SNP supporter's, their reasoning coming down primarily to Indy Ref 2 or bust, that "SNP have done great things for Scotland", and that they just don't trust Labour as a party. I find I just don't know enough about the SNP as a party, in the recent past or present to really get into it with them. I still just see them as the a "One Issue Party", and don't know where to go for a non-bias run down of them. It's tough to be informed without knowing where to look! I know why I'm voting for Labour, but I can't debate why they might want to vote differently. What kind of approach could I use here?
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Doccykins posted:the people it helps most are tory newbies standing in seats where the incumbent isn't running (and most of those have massive majorities anyway) and it means they'll hold Nige's fave Thurrock Miftan posted:That list, unless I'm reading it wrong, is definitely missing some seats. Pudsey is a con majority of 300 and Morley and Outwood is Con by 2000 and neither are on it. it's filtered to conservative won + incumbent not standing only
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Lunar Suite posted:Probably a couple pages too late but poppers (nitriles) can have cardiovascular side effects and interact with some frequently prescribed drugs. Please do your research and never trick anyone into altering themselves. Disclose risks and discuss responsibly. Thanks. Poppers: Good for beans in backsides and volcanic jizzing, might possibly be linked to minor long term vision issues, otherwise you'll be fine as long as you're not on any meds that affect blood pressure (including viagra)
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Scottish labour is suuuper loving weird though. I understand why most people vote for SNP up here as it really just doesnt seem that any other Scottish party cares about the population, now if the SNP actually care or not is a different matter.
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Miftan posted:That list, unless I'm reading it wrong, is definitely missing some seats. Pudsey is a con majority of 300 and Morley and Outwood is Con by 2000 and neither are on it. also missing stoke on trent south, telford, worcester, walsall north, shrewsbury and altrinchham, halesowen and rowley regis, rugby, stourbridge, redditch none of those are massive unbeatable majorities, none of them are on the list. from smallest majority (663) to largest majority (7863) in order. e; it does have stourbridge actually but the rest are missing
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Doccykins posted:it's filtered to conservative won + incumbent not standing only Ah, right. Any reason why?
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Armani Glasses posted:I've been talking to some friends about the election and most of them are staunch SNP supporter's, their reasoning coming down primarily to Indy Ref 2 or bust, that "SNP have done great things for Scotland", and that they just don't trust Labour as a party. I find I just don't know enough about the SNP as a party, in the recent past or present to really get into it with them. I still just see them as the a "One Issue Party", and don't know where to go for a non-bias run down of them. It's tough to be informed without knowing where to look! The SNP talk a good game but they're primarily pro-business conservatives with very relaxed attitudes towards corporate regulation and taxation! They're a big tent so obviously there are a few socialists in there but just as many if not more tartan Tories and the leadership atm is staunchly liberal.
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The tories want to legitimise that military action. It makes their dick hard. UUUUUNGH taking down Corbyn's government with the loving F 35s
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ThomasPaine posted:Poppers: Good for beans in backsides and volcanic jizzing, might possibly be linked to minor long term vision issues, otherwise you'll be fine as long as you're not on any meds that affect blood pressure (including viagra) Possibly partially habit-forming? https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/27369324/ Idk I’d personally stick with molly but used responsibly and with breaks and detox, this doesn’t look worse than booze or nicotine.
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Edit - ^^^ eh, anything good is habit forming I know feelings are meaningless but this feels bad
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Azza Bamboo posted:The tories want to legitimise that military action. It makes their dick hard. Many Tories would love nothing more than to Pinochet Corbyn's Allende should he win the election. I'm not kidding, a Labour win could be great but the potential far-right backlash is troubling to say the least. Lunar Suite posted:Possibly partially habit-forming? Pretty sure that's the case for most drugs
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Bring the prince of Wales out of sea trials and send it straight to Bolivia, it’s time for some VTOL bombing runs Tory time hulk smash!
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Miftan posted:Ah, right. Any reason why? i thought seats vacated by remain supporting tory MPs would have been most at risk of the brexit party ^  ^
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Barry Foster posted:Edit - ^^^ eh, anything good is habit forming Nah, we'll keep fighting and we'll win because people are depending on us. Yeah, BXP splitting the right vote would've been nice, but we'll win without it. Onwards! Doccykins posted:i thought seats vacated by remain supporting tory MPs would have been most at risk of the brexit party ^ Ah right, I think it's a mistake to assume that any vacated seat is remain supporting though. As I said, Morley and Outwood as well as Pudsey are generally leave areas and are very tight. BXP there would've made a massive difference in Labour's favour.
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ThomasPaine posted:Yeah, I actually 100% agree. Once you have retired you should no longer be able to vote, and the vote should also be extended to anyone who is legally able to work. It's probably well out of the Overton window to openly argue this atm but I don't think it's as difficult a position to coherently defend as it first appears. Kinda sketchy tying voting up with ability to work, imo.
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Mandatory euthanasia for the over 75s.
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I disagree with what is almost direct ageism. I get that there's bitterness about the way some people vote but disenfranchising citizens is not the answer.
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sebzilla posted:Kinda sketchy tying voting up with ability to work, imo. Yeah, probably unintentionally, but very ableist. Tying it to age is a bit sketchy as well since olds will get massively hosed, but considering how they're currently loving the younger generations I really can't blame anyone who thinks like this. Probably the best thing is to restrict the vote of anyone who makes over 100k and abolish private property imo
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Excellent post/username combo 
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CyberPingu posted:Its a very touchy issue, but i think if you reach 70 you shouldnt be allowed to vote on anything that will have a lasting effect on the country. Yes, Corbyn should be banned from taking office as he is 70
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Tesseraction posted:Mandatory euthanasia for the over 75s. I like the idea of voluntary euthanasia being legal after a certain age cutoff. I'd like to have the mercy to choose my date of death, have that be known and prepared for, and to thereby avoid the indignity and suffering of a slow demise to age related disease which is the end most people will have. Yes someone will abuse it or bully granny into dying, but I think on the whole the good it will do far outweighs the few shitheads out there.
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Braggart posted:Excellent post/username combo Tbh I get that combo about once every 5 posts. Fully agreed that voting should be tied to the labour pool in some way, not totally sure of the details
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Extend the vote to 16 and disenfranchise anyone with more than £1 million on the grounds that they already have far more power to influence an election than a single vote could possibly afford.
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Azza Bamboo posted:UUUUUNGH taking down Corbyn's government with the loving F 35s So you're saying Corbyn will be completely safe thanks to the British weather? Desiderata fucked around with this message at 14:12 on Nov 11, 2019 |
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