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I literally got told by some rube after commenting on Dave and Bryan's comments on the match (that I typically hate deathmatch stuff but loved this because of the story involved) that "they tried to tell a story but failed" and "don't call yourself a real fan if you don't care about your favorite wrestlers' safety." I'd think it was a troll except there are a ton of people who seemingly actually believe this crap. I don't mind if people didn't like it (hell I don't want to see another lights out match for at least like a year involving any drat body) but the sanctimony about this poo poo really pisses me off, and that's where the WOL comments annoy me. Dave, more than almost anyone on the planet, should know better than that, and he got worked so hard it's incredible. Dude seriously questioned if it was real glass. Jesus Christ.
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I found the Becky and Sasha Hell In The Cell match more dangerous/concerning than the Full Gear main event as that was a lot more of a controlled spectacle. For better or worse there was a fair degree of downtime between spots and things like that in Moxley/Omega. Becky and Sasha was go go go for 25 minutes with two wrestlers weighing nearly 100lbs less taking crazy bumps on their spines. Also, I knew there was a lot of deathmatch/prop guys backstage to advise Moxley and Omega and source the weapons and adaptations they needed: https://twitter.com/JANELABABY/status/1193635568338505735 If you don't know the man on the right is "Sick" Nick Mondo.
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ShootaBoy posted:Uh, if you guys are talking about that review that was linked earlier, that's not by Dave. Unless he changed his name to Arya Witner suddenly. Unrelated to that... lmao I love this logic because they can never explain what it is that makes Smackdown and Raw mainstream.
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rovert posted:Also, I knew there was a lot of deathmatch/prop guys backstage to advise Moxley and Omega and source the weapons and adaptations they needed: When Mox said he was "the sickest son of a bitch" in wrestling on Dynamite, I started secretly hoping for a Sick Nick Mondo appearance. Let them somehow find their way into The Match Beyond!
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rovert posted:Also, I knew there was a lot of deathmatch/prop guys backstage to advise Moxley and Omega and source the weapons and adaptations they needed: this is dope as gently caress
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Horrible feuds where people talk endlessly every week, have a dozen matches and declare they fight for the WWE Universe has broken people's brains. But Justin was pretty dumb to begin with. https://twitter.com/JustinLaBar/status/1193967117797855233 The first angle was in MAY.
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This is it. My favorite photo in wrestling history. Also, I need Nick's shirt.
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His main complaint seems to be that they can't instantly have a 2nd match because there is no way to escalate. Which, fair, you can't. But that's only a problem if you're looking WWE style where every feud is a best of 3. WWE has absolutely narrowed people on what they think wrestling is.
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No one got stabbed or set on fire, it can go harder.
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Gumball Gumption posted:His main complaint seems to be that they can't instantly have a 2nd match because there is no way to escalate. Which, fair, you can't. But that's only a problem if you're looking WWE style where every feud is a best of 3. WWE has absolutely narrowed people on what they think wrestling is. Bryan went into this on Observer Live on Sunday, as almost all the calls he was getting on that show were theorycrafting how AEW could break the stip that Cody would never challenge for the title again. Because WWE has conditioned people to expect stips to be rule-lawyered around.
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Gumball Gumption posted:His main complaint seems to be that they can't instantly have a 2nd match because there is no way to escalate. Which, fair, you can't. But that's only a problem if you're looking WWE style where every feud is a best of 3. WWE has absolutely narrowed people on what they think wrestling is. The logical escalation would be to have a normal Kenny match, which he wins, setting up the rubber match. This could happen six months or a year or two from now.
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https://twitter.com/talkbalks/status/1193510777820516354?s=19 It took me a while (and reading the replies) to figure out this guy was talking about Kenny Omega. How can you watch Kenny and consider him a technical wrestler at all, let alone the best on the planet?
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Some fans think that "technical" means good because mainstream wrestling has ignored technical wrestling for years. Even Daniel Bryan largely stopped doing technical wrestling to fit in to WWE.
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True but if you know of Kenny pre-AEW then you should at least know like ZSJ to know the difference. And the guy has Bob Backlund in his profile picture so he should definitely know better.
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Kenny Omega out-technical-wrestled Sabre in the G1, so clearly he is better. So is Sanada, now the presumed second best technical wrestler in the world.
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Now I'm no expert, but I'm pretty drat sure that Cody diving onto the entrance ramp and eating poo poo was more legit dangerous than anything they did in Mox vs Kenny. Also you don't even need to continue the Mox/Kenny feud right away. Like, just keep them separated for a while and then do another match when the craziness of this one has faded into memory. This isn't hard.
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what the heck is going on... so many people are giving ideas lately and then saying how much of a stupid idiot you have to be to not understand. Please stop yelling at me
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GEORGE W BUSHI posted:https://twitter.com/talkbalks/status/1193510777820516354?s=19 Hechicero is getting booked in death matches.
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Excuse you, kneeing your opponent in the face 30 times is a great technique.
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MJeff posted:Excuse you, kneeing your opponent in the face 30 times is a great technique. It is, but Kenny should probably train harder, as he seems to be bad at it and lose all the time. Maybe his pal Riho can teach him how to stomp people in the intestine and knee them to death.
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now i really want to see mox vs zsj lights out match
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bebaloorpabopalo posted:now i really want to see mox vs riho lights out match
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Riho vs Orange Cassidy in the first 8 star deathmatch
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bebaloorpabopalo posted:now i really want to see mox vs zsj lights out match ZSJ pulls one of Mox's limbs off but then gets beaten to death with it.
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I mean BJW has always been pretty fash. FREEDOMS is the politically good Japanese deathmatch company.
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History Comes Inside! posted:ZSJ pulls one of Mox's limbs off but then gets beaten to death with it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_eaGm2gMMzk&t=490s
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MJeff posted:Excuse you, kneeing your opponent in the face 30 times is a great technique. Just had a flashback to Mike Quackenbush being mad that Shawn Michaels once got more votes on Best Technical Wrestler than him
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Kenny Omega is the modern day Shawn Michaels and it's not even close
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Venomous posted:Kenny Omega is the modern day Shawn Michaels and it's not even close He hasn't had a poo poo ladder match or poo poo iron man match though so he's better than Michaels.
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njsykora posted:He hasn't had a poo poo ladder match or poo poo iron man match though so he's better than Michaels. I haven't seen it but I hear the ladder match with Elgin was just okay.
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