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Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS

Edgar Allen Ho posted:

There is a reason the ancestors of the feral hogs lived on and the decadent megafauna did not

That’s true.

Hogs worry me more than black bears, but less than cougars and grizzlies (where present).

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Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
slægt skal følge slægters gang



Speaking of hogs, until at least the 1700s they'd just be gelded & branded and left running around the woods in Denmark. The owner would pay a fee to the king for this usage of the forest. Dunno how much time they spent finding them when it was time for butchering lol.

Alhazred
Feb 16, 2011




Krankenstyle posted:

otoh wolves are back in Denmark which is p badass

Ulver i myren?

Bobby Digital
Sep 4, 2009

Platystemon posted:

That’s true.

Hogs worry me more than black bears, but less than cougars and grizzlies (where present).

Why are you worried about cougars? Just make sure you have a wine supply.

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
slægt skal følge slægters gang



Alhazred posted:

Ulver i myren?

åbenbart!

chitoryu12
Apr 24, 2014

Platystemon posted:

If the natives hadn’t been nearly wiped out by infectious disease, it would have been cool if they’d killed all the pigs like it’s hypothesised their ancestors did to the North American megafauna.

It’s pathetic that twenty‐first‐century America can’t lick the hogs with hundreds of millions of modern firearms.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAfJG1PMjbY

Even drive-bys with AR-15s aren't enough to stem the hog tide. Females can give birth to 1 to 3 litters of 5-12 hogs a year and they can become sexually mature within 6 months, which means that video was probably rendered moot within a few days. Over 700,000 a year are hunted and they just keep bouncing back. You would need something like poisoning or napalm strikes on a statewide scale to finally wipe them out.

zedprime posted:

Would be interesting to see the thread but I don't know if anyone really needs to go beyond the attitude of it to see it as a dick thing to do. The forest was just where domesticated pigs lived because it was hard to keep up with feeding them. They were mostly just gonna graze on acorns but they'll still gently caress anything up with a positive calorie balance because they are pigs. So you do it into forests you own and are accountable for.

Dropping pigs off as a backup pig larder into new land is then a neat encapsulation of the attitude that since we're the first people here (natives don't count) we can drop out pigs off and our pigs can live in our forest. Oh yeah the land is ours. Why wouldn't it be?

E. Pig farming history is really cool. Modern pig farms where they are slopped in a pen and never leave are incredibly recent as the economics of feeding a pig feed sucked. I can't find the details again but there's a part of of me that wants to say letting your pig range during acorn season was economically required up until the last agricultural revolution around the Haber process. Each revolution before then just cutting out a season you needed to let your pigs range.

Pigs were an extremely important food source throughout European and colonial history because they're a very easy one to have. They can be kept in the yard or allowed to roam semi-wild nearby because they eat literally anything you put in front of them as long as it's edible, even garbage. You could make enough money back from selling the fresh meat to buy another piglet or two and keep part of the meat yourself in the form of sausage, bacon, and smoked hams, making them a self-sustaining food source as long as you had a market.

Remember that when the first colonizers and pilgrims landed in America, they didn't have any extent of the land they uncovered and didn't have the "We're here, gently caress off" attitude to the natives that would appear later as the population grew and conflict began occurring. Early interactions during the time when they would have seeded the land with hogs were often positive or at least neutral, as they understood that they were dealing with other human inhabitants who lived here before them. Pushing natives off their land and breaking treaties was a thing done by the larger government entities as a whole when they wanted to expand, with conflict (including massacres of civilian colonists, which are inexcusable regardless) providing opportunities to go to war and take the land.

Alhazred
Feb 16, 2011




Nessus posted:

Bunnicula lives??

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GolfHole
Feb 26, 2004

Alhazred posted:

People were real stupid about invasive species for a shockingly long time. For example the european starling was introduced to America in 1890 because those admiring the works of Shakespeare wanted to see all the birds mentioned in his creations represented in North America. It is estimated that the starling causes damages worth 800 million dollars each year.

we brought pigeons over here so we could eat em
now look what happened

Alhazred
Feb 16, 2011




GolfHole posted:

we brought pigeons over here so we could eat em
now look what happened

The one time americans failed to eat themselves out of a problem.

Capilarean
Apr 10, 2009

canyoneer posted:

He fashioned tools, became adept at catching goats—some of them for fornication, others for food and pelts.

Very important not to mix up your fornicatin' goats and your food goats.

Angrymog
Jan 30, 2012

Really Madcats

Nessus posted:

Bunnicula lives??

No, Muntjack deer. They're really bad for young trees.

Alhazred
Feb 16, 2011





This is a zamburak, before firing it the camel had to be tied up so that it didn't flee in panic.

Alhazred
Feb 16, 2011




During an excavation in London archaeologists found a bunch souvenir styluses from ancient Rome that had humorous inscriptions on them:

One of the inscriptions has been translated to "I went to Rome and all I got you was this stylus".

InediblePenguin
Sep 27, 2004

I'm strong. And a giant penguin. Please don't eat me. No, really. Don't try.

Alhazred posted:

During an excavation in London archaeologists found a bunch souvenir styluses from ancient Rome that had humorous inscriptions on them:

One of the inscriptions has been translated to "I went to Rome and all I got you was this stylus".

that's the SECOND HALF of the inscription. The first half reads "i come from the city with a sharp point that you may remember me" which reads to me like a joke about going to Rome and getting stabbed

Samovar
Jun 4, 2011

When I want to relax, I read an essay by Engels. When I want something more serious, I read Corto Maltese.

Alhazred posted:

During an excavation in London archaeologists found a bunch souvenir styluses from ancient Rome that had humorous inscriptions on them:

One of the inscriptions has been translated to "I went to Rome and all I got you was this stylus".

Can I have the source for that, please? Not disbelieving you, just want to see it proper.

Deteriorata
Feb 6, 2005

Samovar posted:

Can I have the source for that, please? Not disbelieving you, just want to see it proper.

https://www.mola.org.uk/blog/i-went-rome-and-all-i-got-you-was-stylus-rare-inscribed-roman-writing-implement-discovered

The actual inscription (and translation):

‘ab urbe v[e]n[i] munus tibi gratum adf(e)ro
acul[eat]um ut habe[a]s memor[ia]m nostra(m)
rogo si fortuna dar[e]t quo possem
largius ut longa via ceu sacculus est (v)acuus’

‘I have come from the City. I bring you a welcome gift
with a sharp point that you may remember me.
I ask, if fortune allowed, that I might be able (to give)
as generously as the way is long (and) as my purse is empty.’

i.e. "I know this is a cheap memento, but it's all I can afford."

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Oct 15, 2012

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Samovar posted:

Can I have the source for that, please? Not disbelieving you, just want to see it proper.

It honestly doesn’t surprise me at all, considering some of the Pompeii graffiti. To be honest I’m surprised we haven’t found any “I’m with Stupid —>” tunics

zedprime
Jun 9, 2007

yospos
Were souvenir styluses just a thing in general because otherwise the entire thing reads like a joke where you came all the way from Rome becoming broke along the way in order to stab someone. Like a Roman general.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
Basically the equivalent of souvenir pens.

GolfHole
Feb 26, 2004

I think it's making a joke like: "i hope the eraser on this pencil wont delete my memory"
except in this case it's "i hope this pointy object really makes the thought of me stick"

it's probably not about stabbing and the fact a stylus is stabbable is 100% incidental

Deteriorata
Feb 6, 2005

GolfHole posted:

I think it's making a joke like: "i hope the eraser on this pencil wont delete my memory"
except in this case it's "i hope this pointy object really makes the thought of me stick"

it's probably not about stabbing and the fact a stylus is stabbable is 100% incidental

I suspect most Romans had gotten stuck by a stylus at some point in their lives, probably fairly often. The sentiment seems to be, "when you stick yourself with this stylus, think of me!"

Milo and POTUS
Sep 3, 2017

I will not shut up about the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. I talk about them all the time and work them into every conversation I have. I built a shrine in my room for the yellow one who died because sadly no one noticed because she died around 9/11. Wanna see it?
Are we absolutely sure it's not a dick joke

Thump!
Nov 25, 2007

Look, fat, here's the fact, Kulak!



Milo and POTUS posted:

Are we absolutely sure it's not a dick joke

It’s Roman, it’s absolutely also a dick joke.

Tashilicious
Jul 17, 2016

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Milo and POTUS posted:

Are we absolutely sure it's not a dick joke

Romans loved puns, like every other society on earth, so it is all of the above, plus this, plus also something for the scribe that has everything.

Milo and POTUS
Sep 3, 2017

I will not shut up about the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. I talk about them all the time and work them into every conversation I have. I built a shrine in my room for the yellow one who died because sadly no one noticed because she died around 9/11. Wanna see it?
Phew, I was wondering if it was my mind that was all hosed up

System Metternich
Feb 28, 2010

But what did he mean by that?



Louis Bourdaloue (1632-1704) was the son of a lawyer famed for his skill in rhetorics. At the early age of 15, Louis entered the Jesuit order with the goal to follow in his father's footsteps and excel at rhetorics. He soon attained a reputation for his excellent homilies, and from 1669 on he regularly held Mass and preached at the court of King Louis XIV. His homilies were both so interesting and downright riveting that all the court flocked to his services to listen to him, bent on not missing even a single word - and his homilies also were long. So, what's a noblewoman to do when she is sitting in church listening intently to her favourite preacher, when suddenly nature calls?

Why, she takes a sauciere with her and just lets go, of course! Some smart craftsmen soon realised that money was to be made there and started producing a slightly differently shaped sauciere which was easier to piss into, calling it the "Bourdalou"


Bourdalou female urinal made from leather at the Wellcome Collection. France, 18th century

And if you ever wondered what an 18th century French noblewoman pissing into a small pot looks like, then Louis XV's official court painter François Boucher has got you covered:


"The intimate Toilette" or "A woman who pees", mid-18th century

Milo and POTUS
Sep 3, 2017

I will not shut up about the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. I talk about them all the time and work them into every conversation I have. I built a shrine in my room for the yellow one who died because sadly no one noticed because she died around 9/11. Wanna see it?

Bobby Digital
Sep 4, 2009

:golfclap:

Pookah
Aug 21, 2008

🪶Caw🪶





System Metternich posted:



Louis Bourdaloue (1632-1704) was the son of a lawyer famed for his skill in rhetorics. At the early age of 15, Louis entered the Jesuit order with the goal to follow in his father's footsteps and excel at rhetorics. He soon attained a reputation for his excellent homilies, and from 1669 on he regularly held Mass and preached at the court of King Louis XIV. His homilies were both so interesting and downright riveting that all the court flocked to his services to listen to him, bent on not missing even a single word - and his homilies also were long. So, what's a noblewoman to do when she is sitting in church listening intently to her favourite preacher, when suddenly nature calls?

Why, she takes a sauciere with her and just lets go, of course! Some smart craftsmen soon realised that money was to be made there and started producing a slightly differently shaped sauciere which was easier to piss into, calling it the "Bourdalou"


Bourdalou female urinal made from leather at the Wellcome Collection. France, 18th century

And if you ever wondered what an 18th century French noblewoman pissing into a small pot looks like, then Louis XV's official court painter François Boucher has got you covered:


"The intimate Toilette" or "A woman who pees", mid-18th century

Nominative determinism strikes again!

edit: This joke only works if you know about the 'Portaloo' brand of portable toilets.

Pookah has a new favorite as of 09:16 on Nov 9, 2019

ToxicSlurpee
Nov 5, 2003

-=SEND HELP=-


Pillbug

Thump! posted:

It’s Roman humans, it’s absolutely also a dick joke.

Fader Movitz
Sep 25, 2012

Snus, snaps och saltlakrits
Time to get this thread going again with another tale of historical Swedish hubris and pointless battles.

The battle of Orford Ness 1704.
Sweden had spent most of the 1600s waging war on all its neighbours; Denmark, Russia, the Netherlands, Austria, Poland, looting their way through Germany and back several times. Sweden had mostly come out on top after century of expansionism and warmongering outside of Sweden. The name of this era in Swedish is "Stormaktstiden" meaning "The Great power era". This would eventually lead to most of northern Europe banding together to gently caress Sweden up in the great Northern war. But before that happened the successful campaigns on the continent let Sweden believe it was a big player that could play with the big boys. The Swedish king Charles XII had ordered all Swedish naval commanders to never strike their flag or sail as a salute to another nation on pain of death for the commanders who did. The reason for this order was that Sweden would refuse to show subordination to another monarch.

28th July 1704 (Old Swedish calendar) a Swedish convoy escorted by the Swedish navy ship Öland under Gustaf von Psilander, met a Royal Navy squadron with 8 ships of the line and a frigate outside of Orford ness in the English Channel. The English demanded that the Swedes lower their sails as a salute. The Swedish commander refused, and the English sent off two warning shots. Psilander then sent Lieutenant Schmidt over to the English ship to negotiate. According to Psilander the conversation Between the Swedish lieutenant Schmidt and Captain Butler of the royal navy went like this:

:britain: Can’t you see the flag of the Queen of England?
:sweden: Yeah, we see it well enough, but can you not see the Flag of the King of Sweden?
:britain: Yes, but why won’t you do your duty to the Queen of England?
:sweden: What duty does the King of Sweden have to the Queen of England?
:britain: You must strike your topgallant sails.
:sweden: My commander has no such orders and will not.
:britain: Well, then I’ll teach you how to.

Captain Butler then opened fire on Öland. The Swedes, surrounded by a superior enemy and unable to escape, chose to return fire. At first the Swedes did reasonably well, damaging several of the English ships without taking too much damage themselves. Two hours into the battle the English managed to manoeuvre both in front of and aft of Öland raking the ship. After four hours the Swedes couldn’t continue the fight. 16 Swedish sailors dead, 37 wounded and Öland crippled. The English suffered up to 70 casualties but were still far superior and in a better position. Psilander refusing to strike his flag in surrender, used a “one weird trick, naval commanders hate it”, and had his flag tied into a ship in distress signal. Technically not surrendering. Thereby following his orders not to strike his flag and maintaining the honour of Sweden. When the fighting stopped the English took command of Öland, imprisoned the crew and looted the ship. Towing Öland back to England with the other Swedish trade ships.

The Swedish crew was imprisoned for months before being released along with their ships and possessions by Queen Anne of England. The Queen demanded that the Swedish king punish Psilander, but Charles XII always keen on finding more enemies refused and sent an angry letter back saying that it was England who had broken the rules of friendship and international law. The incident was covered up by the Swedish government fearing yet another war, England was too busy with France to care much and nothing much came of it. Psilander rose through the ranks of the Swedish navy to admiral and was eventually ennobled as Gustaf von Psilander.

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo
86 people dead because the royals needed a good dick sucking?

:thermidor:

Fader Movitz
Sep 25, 2012

Snus, snaps och saltlakrits
probably a lot of people through history that have died for some pointless bickering over some trivial formalities just so Kings, Queens, dictators whatever could win a pissing contest.

C.M. Kruger
Oct 28, 2013
Shaman sacrifices berrypicker of few winters for saying "as you say, elder", claims saying offend ancestors, cave lion god and cause bad hunt season.

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

jyrka posted:

Here's a fact: Ivan the Terrible is a mistranslation, a more accurate name would be Ivan the Magnificent or Ivan the Great.

Who said it was a translation though?

FreudianSlippers
Apr 12, 2010

Shooting and Fucking
are the same thing!

"Awesome John" is also perfectly valid.

Nth Doctor
Sep 7, 2010

Darkrai used Dream Eater!
It's super effective!


C.M. Kruger posted:

Shaman sacrifices berrypicker of few winters for saying "as you say, elder", claims saying offend ancestors, cave lion god and cause bad hunt season.

:golfclap:

OutOfPrint
Apr 9, 2009

Fun Shoe

Edgar Allen Ho posted:

86 people dead because the royals needed a good dick sucking?

:thermidor:

All war is peasants dying because nobles had a tiff. This battle was notable because the peasants preemptively assumed their nobles would have one and decided to get ahead of the game.

C.M. Kruger posted:

Shaman sacrifices berrypicker of few winters for saying "as you say, elder", claims saying offend ancestors, cave lion god and cause bad hunt season.

Berrypicker should have understood "elder" is as offensive as n-word.

Peanut Butler
Jul 25, 2003



FreudianSlippers posted:

"Awesome John" is also perfectly valid.

"Johnny Bigtime"

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Trabant
Nov 26, 2011

All systems nominal.

OutOfPrint posted:

Berrypicker should have understood "elder" is as offensive as n-word.

Neanderthal?

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