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syntaxrigger posted:So try to follow the process of going from general to specific shapes in order to draw from life? When drawing anything, really
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Ok that is good to know. I probably should draw bigger than I have been drawing until I get comfortable.
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This drawing from life thing is pretty rough. I can't seem to get the proportions right. Everything seems skewed. I thought I knew how to do the thumb pencil measurement thing but apparently I don't.
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Nov 9, 2019 02:10
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Face proportions are one of the hardest things to draw, we spend so much time looking at faces that we pick up on the slightest mistake. Don't beat yourself up, just keep trying.
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Nov 9, 2019 06:57
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syntaxrigger posted:This drawing from life thing is pretty rough. I can't seem to get the proportions right. Everything seems skewed. I thought I knew how to do the thumb pencil measurement thing but apparently I don't. Its going to be that was for a while, an even professional artists have days where nothing they draw turns out the way they want it. One of the most useful techniques I've ever learned in relation to drawing is to give myself permission to make lovely drawings. Like, sometimes things don't work out the way you want them to for whatever reason, and that's OK. It's OK to make bad drawings, everyone does it, and bad drawings still help you learn to do good drawings. Eventually, you'll look back and realize that the bad drawings you made today you would have considered fantastic a couple years ago, and that's when you realize that you actually have been getting better the whole time.
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Nov 9, 2019 20:11
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The way a drawing teacher I had in college put it was that, "There is no such thing as sacred paper." The meaning of that is that it's okay to start over a composition if you're not feeling it or think you've messed up enough that you can't correct it.
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Nov 9, 2019 20:18
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lofi posted:Face proportions are one of the hardest things to draw, we spend so much time looking at faces that we pick up on the slightest mistake. Don't beat yourself up, just keep trying. gmc9987 posted:Its going to be that was for a while, an even professional artists have days where nothing they draw turns out the way they want it. One of the most useful techniques I've ever learned in relation to drawing is to give myself permission to make lovely drawings. Like, sometimes things don't work out the way you want them to for whatever reason, and that's OK. It's OK to make bad drawings, everyone does it, and bad drawings still help you learn to do good drawings. Eventually, you'll look back and realize that the bad drawings you made today you would have considered fantastic a couple years ago, and that's when you realize that you actually have been getting better the whole time. Star Man posted:The way a drawing teacher I had in college put it was that, "There is no such thing as sacred paper." Thanks for the support. It means a lot actually.
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Nov 10, 2019 01:23
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I've been drawing since I'm 4 and I'm lovely at it. I never take shittiness as an excuse not to try to improve. I view trying to improve as a thing of its own. There are things in which I'm good, and there are things in which I'm not. Every now and then I go back to something else I'm bad at and try a different approach at it. Sometimes I try a wildly different approach. Embrace the canvas that is being bad, free yourself from the anxiety. Wear self-criticism not as shackles, but as the wings that will take you higher.
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Nov 10, 2019 01:38
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Star Man posted:"There is no such thing as sacred paper."
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the holy virgin of paper products
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Nov 10, 2019 01:45
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The first page of a brand new sketchbook is gonna be doodled right after I finish my work on the cover.
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Nov 10, 2019 01:45
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Try not to fixate on immediately achieving mechanistic perfection. I'm looking at the post in Daily Drawings. There's a bunch of systems for drawing faces - Loomis, building from a sphere, starting from a rounded page, etc. Try them. Try them without a ruler. Try them partially - using only the most generalized proportion rules rather than every single relative scale measurement. The proportion rules help to correct what you know. But that's only half of "draw what you see, not what you know" in the first place. Try different things. Take a break from a subject. Draw a nearby object. Draw a geometric solid. Draw someting you've imagined. Draw something outside the window. Draw a face distorted by unusual FOV, where proportion rules do not fully apply. Get a feel for handling your drawing instrument. Don't bang your head against a brick wall. Back off, do something else, let it cook. Revisit it with a fresh perspective.
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Fish Noise posted:Try not to fixate on immediately achieving mechanistic perfection. I am trying to understand the 'loomis head' at the moment and I wonder if I am just not good enough at drawing circles. I feel like I do need something to structure a picture of a human face around. Maybe I am just trying to hard and need to relax. Being frustrated for two nights straight is discouraging. I honestly don't know how you guys keep trying after multiple years. There is always tomorrow I guess. Today was just kind of a bad day too.
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syntaxrigger posted:I am trying to understand the 'loomis head' at the moment and I wonder if I am just not good enough at drawing circles. I feel like I do need something to structure a picture of a human face around. Maybe I am just trying to hard and need to relax. Being frustrated for two nights straight is discouraging. I honestly don't know how you guys keep trying after multiple years. There is always tomorrow I guess. Today was just kind of a bad day too. Because it's SO drat rewarding when you get something that you like, that you just loving made like a loving wizard, that will never get old. And, y'know, my kinks are just that specific I have to draw my own porn
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Nov 10, 2019 04:25
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lofi posted:Because it's SO drat rewarding when you get something that you like, that you just loving made like a loving wizard, that will never get old. That sounds pretty rad actually also I feel specifically called out by your spoiler
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Nov 10, 2019 04:36
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fauna posted:what about the immaculate first page of a brand-new sketchbook?? I always either draw a ghost or use it to write a grocery list.
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syntaxrigger posted:I am trying to understand the 'loomis head' at the moment and I wonder if I am just not good enough at drawing circles. I feel like I do need something to structure a picture of a human face around. Maybe I am just trying to hard and need to relax. Being frustrated for two nights straight is discouraging. I honestly don't know how you guys keep trying after multiple years. There is always tomorrow I guess. Today was just kind of a bad day too. Consider: I seem to recall that a lot of Loomis' face techniques tend to be rather geometric. Well, alright. Skip the face for a day, try geometry. Circles. Shapes. Solids. Two dimensional. Three dimensional. Simple objects that might be around you. Develop line control. Develop an eye for lines and angles and simpler relative proportions and spatial relationships. Then, with these skills, try approaching the face in the abstract - not as a face, but an assemblage of connected shapes. And you know what? It's okay to draw badly. And I don't even mean in a "for now" or "while you're still starting out" sense. If it's not what you want to do with your life, it doesn't have to be some profitable marketable skill, it can just be... a thing that you do. It should be a thing that more people do. You don't have to be perfect at it now, you don't have to be perfect at it ever. lofi posted:And, y'know, my kinks are just that specific I have to draw my own porn  fauna posted:what about the immaculate first page of a brand-new sketchbook??
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Nov 10, 2019 12:59
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syntaxrigger posted:I honestly don't know how you guys keep trying after multiple years. When I draw analog, I get some satisfaction from designing features or curves, and specifically from inking with a brush - pulling the perfect line is a pleasure all on its own. When I draw digital, I get satisfaction from completing a picture, looking back at it and going "holy poo poo I just made a thing, I am a Creator, I AM GOD OVER THESE PIXELS". There's also the delightful feeling when learning new things when something clicks and you suddenly get how a light reflection happens or why this shade of red is never gonna work with the rest of the pic or how to do a cool textured line etc. Enjoyment in both the process and then looking back at what you've created. In that, bummer days when the art doesn't flow can be shrugged off. Also my tattered soul is hounded by a deep need rising from the abyss beyond - a need to create - by any means necessary, my hands gnarled and searching for materials day and night lest I leave my purpose unfulfilled.
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Nov 10, 2019 19:31
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Does anyone know of a service where I can upload and send out a print of your art to a friend? I made a gift I want to surprise a friend with by having it just mailed directly to them I'm just not sure what service to use for that.
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Nov 11, 2019 22:57
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It frustrates the poo poo out of me that every online poetry critique circle I’ve encountered online is a loving echo chamber of jerking everyone off. I mean, I just read a poem that had no specific imagery and grammar mistakes that received comments like “this was haunting” “I loved this”. I mean, listen: I’m a shut in who writes garbage poetry myself, but what I’d really like is someone to cut it up so I can actually improve. I’d post here but I don’t think there’s enough of a poetry-specific community to sustain.
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Nov 11, 2019 23:29
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We had a 'learn poetry' thread a while back that got a few of us till the OP vanished - might be worth a post to see if there is a space for it.
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Nov 11, 2019 23:42
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lofi posted:We had a 'learn poetry' thread a while back that got a few of us till the OP vanished - might be worth a post to see if there is a space for it. that was mine, ironically enough- my life got especially complicated and in great internet tradition I ghosted the gently caress out of that thread. But that’s my point- it was like three of us! It’s not necessarily a criticism of the sub forum, there’s a ton of cool art and fiction stuff happening, but poetry just isn’t as popular. Maybe I’ll dig that thread out and raise it back to life
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Nov 11, 2019 23:54
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Star Man posted:The way a drawing teacher I had in college put it was that, "There is no such thing as sacred paper." I also had one who said the same thing, and he often encouraged students to draw on top of their old drawings/drawings they did at the start of the semester. He was also obsessed with horses. I've been seeing this effect in a lot of digital art pieces recently:  What is it called?
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sephiRoth IRA posted:that was mine, ironically enough Hah, well... maybe if it was a more general poetry thread and not a learning thing it might get more traction? I am sucking at art at the moment and it's doing my head in. Trying to come off an antidepressant, and my sleep has gone completely to poo poo and I can't focus long enough to get anything done. The fun part being, that could equally be 'yeah, you need the meds' or 'these are withdrawal effects from the meds', and it'll apparently be months before I can tell for sure which it is. Not after solutions or even (much) sympathy, just wanted a good whine about it. 
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my buddy Superfly posted:Does anyone know of a service where I can upload and send out a print of your art to a friend? I made a gift I want to surprise a friend with by having it just mailed directly to them I'm just not sure what service to use for that. iprintfromhome.com That's the service I've used. They even make slides for slide projectors. I recommend the giclee prints. Canvas prints look like cheap things from Hobby Lobby. Class it up by getting a black metal gallery frame from DickBlick and a white mat done by your local frame shop.
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Nov 12, 2019 00:48
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Sk8ers4Christ posted:I also had one who said the same thing, and he often encouraged students to draw on top of their old drawings/drawings they did at the start of the semester. chromatic aberration is the effect, I don't know if the style has a name. Re poetry, feel free to start a thunderdomey poetry thread in CC (or at least non-hugbox). I love the dome's lack of bullshit so so much.
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sebmojo posted:chromatic aberration is the effect, I don't know if the style has a name. Thank you! I started noticing it a lot more when vaporwave became a thing, but I don't think all the pieces I see using that effect are aiming for that style.
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Sk8ers4Christ posted:I also had one who said the same thing, and he often encouraged students to draw on top of their old drawings/drawings they did at the start of the semester. Sebmojo got the name for you, if you want to get it in Photoshop it's pretty easy - go to the channels menu of a flattened image, and do a transform operation or filter of your choice on one or more of the individual color layers (shear and wave both do a pretty good job of getting that effect).
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lofi posted:Hah, well... maybe if it was a more general poetry thread and not a learning thing it might get more traction? Coming off meds suuuuuucks, I feel for ya. I had to first try and then come off several antidepressants when trying to find something that would work - the work of months every time. I'm pretty committed to never coming off them now that I found something that works. It's pretty poo poo that with mental health you can't just tell whether you're missing a leg and need a prosthesis for life or if your leg had just fallen asleep for a while and will work just fiiine now it's had a rest. I CAN however, with confidence, tell you from experience that your current mood is doing a reverse beer goggles thing to your vision* and your art is not half as bad as you think it is. Guaranteed. *Depressovision, now in black AND grey!
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Yeah, I'm also in the "am I depressed because I'm crappy at creative stuff right now, or vice versa?" hole right now. Sucks a lot. I'd be interested in a "let's learn/write poetry" thread; I haven't written any in years, so I'm rusty and probably also bad at it, but sometimes you have to learn by doing.
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Poem Dome is up, if y’all are interested. I welcome any thoughts on prompts/format/etc. https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3903748&perpage=40#post499948874
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sephiRoth IRA posted:Poem Dome is up, if y’all are interested. I welcome any thoughts on prompts/format/etc. Poem Doem
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Is there any guidance on consuming drawing/art videos on YT? I like them because it gets me excited about art however I am starting to wonder if it gives me unfair expectations that I then use to beat myself up.
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welp. good to know
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No-one looks at a fitness video, does a round of pullups and expects to look like Arnold Schwarzenegger afterwards. No matter how many ab crunch advice, one weird trick to exercise problem area, or lifting technique videos you watch, you still gotta put in the work before you get to pro levels. Or you can do the modern art of fitness, flail around without form while injuring yourself, then tell people they just don't get your style and really the poo poo you produce is a higher art form and that's why they don't get it and then call it crossfit. BOOM DUNKED.
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I feel like I am asking cliche art questions but I don't really have any art folks to ask. If you start drawing and you see something like sculpture and you think "Wow! Maybe I should try that." is that just your head coming up with new and interesting ways of procrastination or is there any merit in trying wholly different mediums? If so, how do you judge when it is good to try it out?
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gently caress yeah try em all! You'd be amazed how much sculpting and drawing have in common, if you're sticking to figure-work - both are about learning to think in 3D. Remember that you're doing art for you - if you suddenly really wanna try sculpting, go for it! Though, word to the wise, storage becomes a problem real fast when you bounce between media. 
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If you see something that looks like fun and won't break the bank to try it out, go for it! And post the results, we've had sculptures posted in the DDD thread in the past because there really isn't enough of a sculpture crowd to sustain its own thread here. I will say that drawing is a useful skill to have for almost all visual arts endeavors, though. It's great to learn the basics of art with, and the skills it teaches translate well into almost every other medium (both 3D and 2D). But I will also say there's no real set of prerequisites for when you should try a new medium out - art should be fun for you first and foremost, and trying new things is certainly fun.
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Thanks for the feedback. It is good for me to be reminded I am doing art for myself because I seem to easily forget this.
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