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They are extremely GWM for Hermès: https://www.1843magazine.com/style/demand-curve
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Planet Money did an episode on it, with a reporter trying to buy a Birkin https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2015/12/25/460870534/episode-672-bagging-a-birkin Also, some of the fakes these days are good enough that Hermes or Louis Vuitton cannot determine authenticity non-destructively.
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Nov 12, 2019 17:40
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I love that rich people are apparently huge suckers for the Eric Cartman "you can't come" marketing strategy.
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Nov 12, 2019 17:55
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canyoneer posted:Also, some of the fakes these days are good enough that Hermes or Louis Vuitton cannot determine authenticity non-destructively. this feels like an offshoot Ship of Theseus thing - if it's so functionally the same it is the same by all standards, even those established by the company which defines the thing - is it The Thing?
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Nov 12, 2019 17:58
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StrangersInTheNight posted:this feels like an offshoot Ship of Theseus thing - if it's so functionally the same it is the same by all standards, even those established by the company which defines the thing - is it The Thing? buddy let me tell you about diamonds
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Nov 12, 2019 17:59
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Hah! True, but with diamonds people can at least fall back on 'they were produced in different ways' and that whole 'i want to imagine my special rock being crushed by the force of a mountain at the earth's core!' thing can be an emotional hook for sure. But in the case of the bags, the 'fakes' could very well be produced in the same places as the legitimate ones - so, if they are even produced in the exact same circumstances/manner - is it different, or is it actually just...really the Thing?
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Nov 12, 2019 18:02
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canyoneer posted:Planet Money did an episode on it, with a reporter trying to buy a Birkin They should put a drat chip in the thing that can be scanned to determine authenticity. Hermes, if you are hiring Idea Guys, I can make myself available.
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Nov 12, 2019 18:09
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Veni Vidi Ameche! posted:I love that rich people are apparently huge suckers for the Eric Cartman "you can't come" marketing strategy. It's even worse in the world of wine and spirits. I have some relations who are in DEEP into the world of ~cult~ Napa cabernets. If you want the privilege to buy that $1,000 bottle of Screaming Eagle you had better be prepared to earn it by buying a bunch of bottles from our up-and-coming sister winery. Oh, also, tastings are by invite only.  
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Nov 12, 2019 18:13
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But it's GWM to produce counterfeit wine and sell it to people who've never had the real thing
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Nov 12, 2019 18:47
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Vox Nihili posted:They should put a drat chip in the thing that can be scanned to determine authenticity. Hermes, if you are hiring Idea Guys, I can make myself available. You like my bag? It's authentic, rub it with your phone
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Nov 12, 2019 18:55
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Vox Nihili posted:They should put a drat chip in the thing that can be scanned to determine authenticity. Hermes, if you are hiring Idea Guys, I can make myself available. But then how can I use them as a bribery currency?
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Nov 12, 2019 19:30
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StrangersInTheNight posted:Hah! True, but with diamonds people can at least fall back on 'they were produced in different ways' and that whole 'i want to imagine my special rock being crushed by the force of a mountain at the earth's core!' thing can be an emotional hook for sure. But in the case of the bags, the 'fakes' could very well be produced in the same places as the legitimate ones - so, if they are even produced in the exact same circumstances/manner - is it different, or is it actually just...really the Thing? Works out good for me, I'm only interested in special rocks crushed by the weight of man's knowledge.
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Nov 12, 2019 19:31
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BWM: Being a literal bagholder.
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Nov 12, 2019 19:59
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Filipino posted:I am so finacially hosed. My life is a gapping hole of debt and bad decisions. Its so gat dang depressing. Make a thread!
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Nov 12, 2019 20:41
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Filipino posted:I am so finacially hosed. My life is a gapping hole of debt and bad decisions. Its so gat dang depressing. lol that owns
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Nov 12, 2019 20:44
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A Birkin bag is around 15-20 bucks on AliX. Just saved you 40k.
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Vox Nihili posted:It's even worse in the world of wine and spirits. I have some relations who are in DEEP into the world of ~cult~ Napa cabernets. If you want the privilege to buy that $1,000 bottle of Screaming Eagle you had better be prepared to earn it by buying a bunch of bottles from our up-and-coming sister winery. Oh, also, tastings are by invite only. God I love the absolute skullfucking scams and bloated egos that is the wine industry. Every blind and objective taste test ever conducted has proven time and time again that "wine experts" are huffing their own farts and can't even identify a white wine that was colored red with tasteless food coloring as a "white". And don't get me started on the classic media portrayl of *sip "This is a 1972 Chateu de Veir" "Close, its a '73" No that doesn't work at all it is 100% bullshit. There was a big "how dare they" where top wine makers were getting furious at China for importing so much wine because they just pour it to cups and chugit like no big deal instead of the "proper" way using $$$ glass stemware to appreciate the aroma. Spending more then $10-20 a bottle for regular drinking or $100-200 for a "special night" is BWM. There's a point of diminishing returns on wine where the cost is high simply because of brand name or its ranking in The Wine Spectator rather then actual quality. Wine is basically the rich person's Funko Pops. pentyne fucked around with this message at 20:58 on Nov 12, 2019 |
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Nov 12, 2019 20:54
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At least wine gets you drunk.
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Nocheez posted:At least wine gets you drunk. Yeah but then its not NITB so its ruined.
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Nov 12, 2019 21:37
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pentyne posted:Yeah but then its not NITB so its ruined. 
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Nov 12, 2019 21:39
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pentyne posted:God I love the absolute skullfucking scams and bloated egos that is the wine industry. Wine experts can absolutely differentiate between red and white wines, among other things. The people actually buying the stuff typically cannot (iirc the study you're probably thinking of was with normal people, not experts). For a good time, do a blind tasting with self-described wine afficionados. Everyone shits themselves in fear of liking the "wrong" stuff. Works with whiskey too, especially Scotch and the Japanese bullshit.
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I like drinking a lot of cheap wine and pretending it's really expensive because then I'm half in the counterfeit Hermes bag.
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A rare intersection of BWM forum topics: https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/11/12/new-jersey-country-club-sues-waiter-after-wine-spills-hermes-kelly-handbag/ quote:A $30,000 handbag. A disastrous wine spill. And now, a country club is suing its own waiter. I feel bad for the waiter, and nobody else in this situation because quote:Members of the club are reportedly required to pay a $65,000 initiation fee, plus $19,000 in annual dues. 
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My experience with wine is that the price-to-quality is like...code:
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Nov 12, 2019 21:45
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Cacafuego posted:I am being told different things by two different dealerships, non-bias advice appreciated Don't miss the dramatic conclusion (Edited to make it less of a wall of text. A lot goes on where he manages to make a sales guy lose his temper at him.) quote:Reporting back as promised. I went yesterday and had a new 2019 Crosstrek in mind and fully admitted to the guy that I was aware that I maaayyybe didn't exactly have a choice in what car I'd end up in if I wanted a dramatically lower payment. That was fine and we proceeded until he came back to tell me that he could get me in a new 2019 fully loaded Legacy for $599 a month (mind you telling him I'd like a monthly payment starting with the number 5), and that a hatchback option – Crosstrek or Impreza – was not an option.
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Vox Nihili posted:Wine experts can absolutely differentiate between red and white wines, among other things. The people actually buying the stuff typically cannot (iirc the study you're probably thinking of was with normal people, not experts).
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Sirotan posted:A rare intersection of BWM forum topics: Pretty much peak guillotine content here, holy poo poo. If you can't live with a beverage splashing on your lovely accessory then don't bring it somewhere drinks are being served, poo poo happens.
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Vox Nihili posted:Pretty much peak guillotine content here, holy poo poo. If you can't live with a beverage splashing on your lovely accessory then don't bring it somewhere drinks are being served, poo poo happens.
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H110Hawk posted:Don't miss the dramatic conclusion (Edited to make it less of a wall of text. A lot goes on where he manages to make a sales guy lose his temper at him.) Honestly I find the simplest bit the most ridiculous: quote:I went yesterday and had a new 2019 Crosstrek in mind "Help me, my brand new car is way too expensive! I'm looking to get into something more affordable, so there I was at a dealership looking at other brand new cars..." Elysium fucked around with this message at 22:19 on Nov 12, 2019 |
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Can the Birkin Bag Survive the Resale Market? At Privé Porter, Mr. Berk said, “More and more collectors are opting to pay us $19,000 to get the exact same — never used — bag” that they cannot get from Hermès for $12,000. The individuals consigning these hard-to-get bags are often also the buyers, so the resale market is, Mr. Cereda said, “a happy loop of aficionados.” Then he added, somewhat ominously, “for now.”
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Vox Nihili posted:(iirc the study you're probably thinking of was with normal people, not experts). They weren't experts, but they were studying to become experts. Phanatic fucked around with this message at 22:30 on Nov 12, 2019 |
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Nov 12, 2019 22:28
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Phanatic posted:They weren't experts, but they were studying to become experts. It's also worth noting that in that study, they dyed a white wine red and gave it to students explicitly expecting a red wine without any further prompting. Our eyesight is part of how we evaluate pretty much anything, so it wasn't so much proof that people can't taste a difference between red and white wines as it was proof that people rely on a variety of sensory cues and can be tricked. If you blindfolded the students and did not give them a false prompt you would get entirely different (albeit likely still confused) results.
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Phanatic posted:They weren't experts, but they were studying to become experts. To be fair, actual experts would never, ever consent to such a test because of the embarrassment at the very real possibility they'd fail.
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Rotten Red Rod posted:To be fair, actual experts would never, ever consent to such a test because of the embarrassment at the very real possibility they'd fail. Exactly. They all heard about those Stradivarius experiments and want nothing to do with it.
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Ralith posted:There's also lots of really excellent cheap stuff out there that just hasn't found its marketing footing yet. Don't hold out on me man!
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paternity suitor posted:Don't hold out on me man! I don't buy so much scotch these days since even the cheap stuff is expensive, but basically you can be confident that most of the big names (Laphroaig, Lagavulin, etc) got that way because they make genuinely excellent liquor at mid-market prices. I find American whiskies are often better price per quality as well, for a similar, if not quite identical, spirit; for example Copperworks punches above its weight, though it's not the cheapest to begin with.
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Vox Nihili posted:It's also worth noting that in that study, they dyed a white wine red and gave it to students explicitly expecting a red wine without any further prompting. Our eyesight is part of how we evaluate pretty much anything, so it wasn't so much proof that people can't taste a difference between red and white wines as it was proof that people rely on a variety of sensory cues and can be tricked. If you blindfolded the students and did not give them a false prompt you would get entirely different (albeit likely still confused) results. Almost as if the entire culture around wine tasting and reviewing is completely based on a lie and will not withstand any rigorous attempts to define it. Rotten Red Rod posted:To be fair, actual experts would never, ever consent to such a test because of the embarrassment at the very real possibility they'd fail. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judgment_of_Paris_(wine) quote:Criticism of the event suggested that wine tastings lacked scientific validity due to the subjectivity of taste in human beings. Indeed, the organizer of the competition, Steven Spurrier, said, "The results of a blind tasting cannot be predicted and will not even be reproduced the next day by the same panel tasting the same wines." The critics also only complained that wine tasting isn't accurate when their wines aren't winning. The methods by which wines are tasted and graded are not reproducible in any form. It's astrology for liquids. pentyne fucked around with this message at 00:24 on Nov 13, 2019 |
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I've heard from a bartender friend that Evan Williams is actually really good bourbon despite refusing to raise its prices. I certainly like it better than Jack Daniels, which (supposedly) ripped off its label to confuse people.
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Rotten Red Rod posted:I've heard from a bartender friend that Evan Williams is actually really good bourbon despite refusing to raise its prices. I certainly like it better than Jack Daniels, which (supposedly) ripped off its label to confuse people. It is absolutely better then JD. There are several brands of cheap bottom shelf bourbon that are better or taste the same as Jack Daniels. I was always told by people that Jack Daniels was a brand first and a bourbon second.
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pentyne posted:It is absolutely better then JD. There are several brands of cheap bottom shelf bourbon that are better or taste the same as Jack Daniels. I was always told by people that Jack Daniels was a brand first and a bourbon second. That’s true, mostly because Jack Daniels isn’t bourbon. Might be thinking of Jim Beam.
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