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sexpig by night posted:https://twitter.com/brunosgarzini/status/1194044499611332610 calling her the vice president of the Senate is no longer accurate afaik, they confirmed her as president of the country yesterday? so that's great edit although I guess referring to her by her former / legit title is a sick own amd i support it
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GreyjoyBastard posted:calling her the vice president of the Senate is no longer accurate afaik, they confirmed her as president of the country yesterday? she's the self declared president yea, but much like we don't call Guaido the president of Venezuela just because he says so we don't have to pretend she's a legitimate leader, yea.
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Extremely normal restoration of democracy going on, nothing to see here. Just ordering the army to march out and slaughter the untermenschen, as you do.
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Nov 13, 2019 00:49
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sexpig by night posted:she's the self declared president yea, but much like we don't call Guaido the president of Venezuela just because he says so we don't have to pretend she's a legitimate leader, yea. iirc she arrived for the Senate vote in a military helicopter with a military escort, just in case they didn't get the 
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GreyjoyBastard posted:iirc she arrived for the Senate vote in a military helicopter with a military escort, just in case they didn't get the how all normal and legit leaders show up to work!
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So what happened to the guy who was supposed to maybe win the election and who didn't want Morales to resign? Last I heard the putchists decided to bury him as well. I guess his being totally sidelined by puppets with no democratic mandate whatsoever is a sign of great democracy?
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GreyjoyBastard posted:iirc she arrived for the Senate vote in a military helicopter with a military escort, just in case they didn't get the I'm sure that the Senare, which has a majority from Morales' party btw, totally confirmed her in a perfectly legal manner and of their own free will.
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Nov 13, 2019 00:56
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Finally! Bolivia's first woman president! 
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steinrokkan posted:So what happened to the guy who was supposed to maybe win the election and who didn't want Morales to resign? Last I heard the putchists decided to bury him as well. I guess his being totally sidelined by puppets with no democratic mandate whatsoever is a sign of great democracy? I thiiink the fash shitbag was second and would have been the other guy in the runoff but phoneposting and lazy I think the guy you're referring to was third?
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sexpig by night posted:https://twitter.com/brunosgarzini/status/1194044499611332610 Can I get an English transcript of that video?
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steinrokkan posted:So what happened to the guy who was supposed to maybe win the election and who didn't want Morales to resign? Last I heard the putchists decided to bury him as well. I guess his being totally sidelined by puppets with no democratic mandate whatsoever is a sign of great democracy? Carlos Mesa? He's still theoretically in charge - the new lady is just the first person in the line of succession from his coalition (and therefore the president because they arrested, drove out, or blackmailed any of Morales's people who might have got the job instead) and has declared new elections in ninety days that he'll probably win. That said, Luis Camacho (the Nazi slaver from Santa Cruz) has been stealing the spotlight from him a lot lately, and it's not clear what he'll do with his new national prominence.
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Nov 13, 2019 01:07
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AFIAK the runner up was Carlos Mesa, the former president of Bolivia, who wanted Morales to complete his current term and asked his supporters not to act against him, and then the fash brigades swooped in, declared they would not under any circumstances work with Mesa, and named their own puppet "leaders" without any sort of legitimacy whatsoever.
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Darth Walrus posted:Carlos Mesa? He's still theoretically in charge - the new lady is just the first person in the line of succession from his coalition (and therefore the president because they arrested, drove out, or blackmailed any of Morales's people who might have got the job instead) and has declared new elections in ninety days that he'll probably win. That said, Luis Camacho (the Nazi slaver from Santa Cruz) has been stealing the spotlight from him a lot lately, and it's not clear what he'll do with his new national prominence. Oh yeah, Camacho is the fash usurper I was thinking about.
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Darth Walrus posted:Carlos Mesa? He's still theoretically in charge - the new lady is just the first person in the line of succession from his coalition (and therefore the president because they arrested, drove out, or blackmailed any of Morales's people who might have got the job instead) and has declared new elections in ninety days that he'll probably win. That said, Luis Camacho (the Nazi slaver from Santa Cruz) has been stealing the spotlight from him a lot lately, and it's not clear what he'll do with his new national prominence. oh right, I forgot that medium monster Mesa and tremendous monster Camacho were different people look, it's been an overwhelming couple days, okay
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Darth Walrus posted:Can I get an English transcript of that video? Here's my lovely translation quote:General Kaliman, Basically it sounds like the police are overwhelmed and the army is reluctant to step in. She wants them to get on with it and "get rid of the delinquent hordes in our streets". RIP Syndrome fucked around with this message at 01:31 on Nov 13, 2019 |
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Darth Walrus posted:Can I get an English transcript of that video? 'murder, death, kill.'
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Nov 13, 2019 01:24
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I just read on a spanish language news source that one of the labor movements in bolivia is threatening a general strike. Can anyone corroborate that?
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RIP Syndrome posted:Here's my lovely translation that's interesting in the sense of who it's addressed to it's either telling the military to get off its butt and crush leftists, or authorizing the military to do what it's already inclined to do leaning toward the latter given... stuff
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Nov 13, 2019 01:31
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also the new chief of police replaced the dude who resigned, i think
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Nov 13, 2019 01:35
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Is there a danger of the army doing a mutiny if they order the rank and file to shoot protestors? What’s the demographic makeup of the army? I assume the officers are reluctant to step in because it’ll probably trigger a full civil war.
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Demiurge4 posted:Is there a danger of the army doing a mutiny if they order the rank and file to shoot protestors? What’s the demographic makeup of the army? I assume the officers are reluctant to step in because it’ll probably trigger a full civil war. In 2003 the indigenous population started a series of protests against the Bolivian government, because the indigenous population had little political power and saw virtually none of the revenue from natural gas and other natural resources in Bolivia. The army used live ammunition against the protesters and killed 64 people and wounded 405. Carlos Mesa, the opposition candidate this time around, was vice president when this happened. By the way, the president in charge back then lives in Florida and the US refused extradition. Which is to say, no, there will be no mutiny, because for Carlos Mesa, the military, etc. this is all just a return to normalcy where they can kill indigenous people freely.
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I guess there might be some lower rank soldiers and officers defecting to the side of the people, but I wouldn't hold my breath for it.
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Nov 13, 2019 01:58
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IIRC general strikes in Bolívia are pretty effective, because exports rely on road infrastructure and shutting down only a few main roads essentially brings the country to a standstill. If the Evo supporters don't back down, it will be bloody.
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That said, we haven't seen nearly as much participation from the army as from the police in these protests. Are we sure those gunmen we saw herding the electoral court folks into that courtroom were soldiers rather than police or militia goons?
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Nov 13, 2019 02:23
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bolivia is also just about optimal terrain for a guerilla insurgency. this could get really nasty
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V. Illych L. posted:bolivia is also just about optimal terrain for a guerilla insurgency. this could get really nasty That didn't help Che much :/
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https://twitter.com/ErikaOSanoja/status/1194420396587704323?s=20
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Plutonis posted:That didn't help Che much :/ che survived for a long bloody time in bolivia with a bare handful of guys and a fairly skeptical local populace. if this gets properly out of hand whole swathes of the country could be in revolt - morales is their guy, and if the central government starts loving up for real (say by installing an Actual Nazi) there might be a genuine basis of a FARC-style long-term insurgency let's hope it doesn't come to that
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Meanwhile, Piñera: violence violence violence violence violence peace unity violence violence criminals violence violence violence WE'VE LISTENED TO THE PEOPLE FROM THE VERY FIRST DAY violence violence violence we're bringing back retired police violence violence violence violence.
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Meanwhile, in Argentina: https://twitter.com/rialjorge/status/1193865439979483136
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hoiyes posted:IIRC general strikes in Bolívia are pretty effective, because exports rely on road infrastructure and shutting down only a few main roads essentially brings the country to a standstill. why dont the coup plotters back down
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the will of the people is visible, why is the onus on them to allow fascist death squads to pick them off over the next decade
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Tollymain posted:why dont the coup plotters back down Fair point, I should have said "unless". It was more a comment on the likelihood of bloodshed, not where the blame/onus lies. Because the fascists are simply not going to just stop halfway through their coup, not when it has US approval, we don't live in that world. It looks like the ultras are going to try and get away with as much violence as they can in their "chaotic period" window, before they will have to settle down and pretend to be respectable for the international audience.
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RIP Syndrome posted:Finally! Bolivia's first woman president! They had an interim woman president before! Fun fact: She was couped by García Meza's Cocaine Coup, which also involved Literal Nazis.
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SexyBlindfold posted:They had an interim woman president before! Fun fact: She was couped by Garca Meza's Cocaine Coup, which also involved Literal Nazis. And here we thought all the Nazis ended up in Argentina and Southern Brazil!
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Nov 13, 2019 04:35
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RIP Syndrome posted:Finally! Bolivia's first woman president! SLAY KWEEN!!! (no, seriously, she's going to rule like she's a queen and slay a huge amount of poor indigenous people, this is a very grim situation)
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Darth Walrus posted:That said, we haven't seen nearly as much participation from the army as from the police in these protests. Are we sure those gunmen we saw herding the electoral court folks into that courtroom were soldiers rather than police or militia goons? they were probably police-dudes, because the speechifier was the Bolivian federal police chief and the Attorney General issued the arrest / detention order
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Dias posted:And here we thought all the Nazis ended up in Argentina and Southern Brazil! Google Klaus Barbie
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Majorian posted:SLAY KWEEN!!! I don't think so on the first count. She's a temporary stand-in for two very powerful men, and she undoubtedly knows it.
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