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Mr. Lobe posted:I wonder what is going to happen to her body with her mask on Alison. I feel like it will either reform when allison removes her from her face, since it seems like the body is already disintegrating from just putting her mask in her hands
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Fusion is just a cheap tactic to make weak Demiurges stronger!
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Nov 13, 2019 13:32
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Gay marriage fusion dance powers activate!
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Nov 13, 2019 13:47
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"I dunno if I'm ready for a serious relationship right now." "Okay cool anyway put my face on your face do it do it doitdoitdoitdoitdoit"
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Nov 13, 2019 13:51
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Glagha posted:"I dunno if I'm ready for a serious relationship right now." I'm pretty sure a bit of casual facesitting is nothing unusual to these two.
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Nov 13, 2019 14:02
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This is extremely horny and gay and I’m here for it. Edit: Cio is going to eat Allison inside out.
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Nov 13, 2019 14:31
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I AM SO loving HYYYYYYPE.
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Nov 13, 2019 14:58
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Lemme ride yo face girl!
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Nov 13, 2019 14:58
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Well at least one of them trusts Cio. Yag when?
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Nov 13, 2019 15:26
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thechosenone posted:I feel like it will either reform when allison removes her from her face, since it seems like the body is already disintegrating from just putting her mask in her hands Probably, yeah. Devils ARE their mask, the rest of them is just pure chaos formed into a body. Same way we're just a bunch of cells. She does say "put ME on", not "put my mask on".
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Nov 13, 2019 15:34
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Yeah, Allison will just have to cram that mask back onto some black flame and the black flame will be shaped by the mask. It's all just Himself all the way down.
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Nov 13, 2019 16:15
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Rotten Red Rod posted:Probably, yeah. Devils ARE their mask, the rest of them is just pure chaos formed into a body. Same way we're just a bunch of cells. She does say "put ME on", not "put my mask on". A devil is an ember of the hungry black flame. The mask binds them to a recognizable form, but it is not the totality of their consciousness and self. If it were, Princess would be an entirely new being, since she was bound by a fresh mask. But she remembers being Vladok, which means that there is a sense of self that persists through bindings. Saying a Devil is their mask is like saying an Angel is their shell. Much like water poured into a container, they might change to fit the vessel, but they are not the vessel itself.
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Nov 13, 2019 16:19
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Amusingly devils in KSBD seem to function a lot like people do in Buddhism, i.e. all one essential consciousness that goes through iterative changes such that we can't say there is an essential being. Instead it's just a union of appearance and emptiness of inherent characteristics that gives rise in the moment to a thing we might call a "person." There are big differences obviously too (inherent qualities and dualisms and etc.) but it's a pretty cool and robust concept overall. tl;dr I like KSBD devils, they are good, and KSBD is good Thank you for coming to my TEDX
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Nov 13, 2019 16:39
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madam i wear no mask
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Nov 13, 2019 16:50
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I do wonder what will happen to Cio's body though. Will it merge with Allison's? Dissipate into unbound black flame stuff? How permanent is this?
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Nov 13, 2019 16:53
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Who What Now posted:A devil is an ember of the hungry black flame. The mask binds them to a recognizable form, but it is not the totality of their consciousness and self. If it were, Princess would be an entirely new being, since she was bound by a fresh mask. But she remembers being Vladok, which means that there is a sense of self that persists through bindings. Ah, but the reverse is also true. Cio's husband brought her back just by piecing her mask back together. I'd wager if you put Vladok's original mask back together, you get something closer to Vladok than Princess. But instead Alison took a fresh mask and made something new. The chaos that made up Vladok was still in one piece at the moment it was masked. That's probably why Princess has memories of being Vladok. Who What Now posted:Saying a Devil is their mask is like saying an Angel is their shell. Much like water poured into a container, they might change to fit the vessel, but they are not the vessel itself. Nah, I don't agree. They're exact opposites. Devils ARE their masks, and the chaos is just the body that forms around that personality. Angels are beings that can be in ANY shell, and are unchanged by whichever one they're in. Rotten Red Rod fucked around with this message at 17:02 on Nov 13, 2019 |
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Rotten Red Rod posted:The chaos that made up Vladok was still in one piece at the moment it was masked. That's probably why Princess has memories of being Vladok. Didn't she literally rip the mask off a different devil? What happened to that devil anyway?
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Glagha posted:I do wonder what will happen to Cio's body though. Will it merge with Allison's? Dissipate into unbound black flame stuff? How permanent is this? The flame dissipates without a mask to bind it. Meanwhile she'll just eat Allison's soul flame directly to survive. But Allison's soul flame is basically forever with that key.
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Nov 13, 2019 17:02
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Grand Prize Winner posted:Didn't she literally rip the mask off a different devil? What happened to that devil anyway? It was a fresh mask intended for another devil, but Allison gave it a name.
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Nov 13, 2019 17:04
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Grand Prize Winner posted:Didn't she literally rip the mask off a different devil? What happened to that devil anyway? No, there was a group of humans making a pact with a devil and creating a new mask for it: https://killsixbilliondemons.com/comic/wielder-of-names-1-13/ https://killsixbilliondemons.com/comic/wielder-of-names-2-32/ So it was ABOUT to be a devil's mask, but never was used. Beaten, but I have LINKS!
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Nov 13, 2019 17:05
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Also of note the situation with Princess is apparently unprecedented and should not have worked.
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Nov 13, 2019 17:06
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Talk about taking your relationship to the next level.
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Nov 13, 2019 17:10
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What, you mean you don't normally bind devils by just shoving a mask at it and screaming names until its under control?
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Nov 13, 2019 17:10
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Glagha posted:What, you mean you don't normally bind devils by just shoving a mask at it and screaming names until its under control? You know, it wouldn't surprise me if this would have always worked, but nobody was
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Just noticed this while looking back: Is Alison some magnet for horny blue devils, or do they just all have a type?
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Nov 13, 2019 17:13
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I didn't see the arrow. Yeah, I guess
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Nov 13, 2019 17:15
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One of the qualities of Furious Dumbass is that you try a lot of things that end up working even though people can't figure out how.
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I think that one's just giggling about Cio's comment
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Nov 13, 2019 17:19
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Glagha posted:I think that one's just giggling about Cio's comment Could be, but I like the story in my head where all blue devils are uncontrollably horny for Alison. habeasdorkus posted:One of the qualities of Furious Dumbass is that you try a lot of things that end up working even though people can't figure out how. That's the main quality that makes this story so fun. Almost every plot point could be boiled down to, "Here's how things are, they can't be changed or done differently" and then Alison blusters in and goes "gently caress that". I love it. Rotten Red Rod fucked around with this message at 17:27 on Nov 13, 2019 |
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Nov 13, 2019 17:24
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Devils are characterized by their desire to consume and presumably Allison's got the most powerful soul flame in the multiverse so I mean it makes sense
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Rotten Red Rod posted:No, there was a group of humans making a pact with a devil and creating a new mask for it: https://killsixbilliondemons.com/comic/wielder-of-names-1-13/ Man, the drinking contest is so good. It's probably my favorite segment. It's even better if you picture it animated and voiced like a Disney musical, perhaps "I've Got a Dream" from Tangled.
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ConfusedUs posted:Man, the drinking contest is so good. It's probably my favorite segment. Srsly. That whole section should be studied in a class somewhere as an example of masterful worldbuilding. It's essentially an introduction to devils and how they work - and it's all done either visually or through loving song. gently caress this comic is so goddamn good.
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Rotten Red Rod posted:Ah, but the reverse is also true. Cio's husband brought her back just by piecing her mask back together. I'd wager if you put Vladok's original mask back together, you get something closer to Vladok than Princess. But instead Alison took a fresh mask and made something new. Yeah, that's what I'm saying, the black flame isn't pure chaos, there is indeed a consciousness within it the persists regardless of the mask. The mask helps solidify it and is probably a part of determining a demon's personality, but if you put two identical masks on two different black flames you would not get identical demons. You probably wouldn't even get similar demons. quote:Nah, I don't agree. They're exact opposites. Devils ARE their masks, and the chaos is just the body that forms around that personality. Angels are beings that can be in ANY shell, and are unchanged by whichever one they're in. If angels can be in any shell then the needles that banished White Chain would be worthless. She could have just searched for another vessel instead of sulking in the Void. And further the Thorn Knights wouldn't have any reason to change their shells. It's not a coincidence that 6 Juggs looks hella thorny.
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Glagha posted:What, you mean you don't normally bind devils by just shoving a mask at it and screaming names until its under control? Is this not the case? To my knowledge the alt texts said they made masks and gave names. The manner in which either happened was never explained.
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Who What Now posted:A devil is an ember of the hungry black flame. The mask binds them to a recognizable form, but it is not the totality of their consciousness and self. If it were, Princess would be an entirely new being, since she was bound by a fresh mask. But she remembers being Vladok, which means that there is a sense of self that persists through bindings. Princess thinks she's Vladok, therefore she's Vladok. Identity seems to be more a matter of "ehh, close enough" to formless chaos monsters whose life cycle involves revolving through multiple totally different bodies and personalities
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Who What Now posted:Yeah, that's what I'm saying, the black flame isn't pure chaos, there is indeed a consciousness within it the persists regardless of the mask. The mask helps solidify it and is probably a part of determining a demon's personality, but if you put two identical masks on two different black flames you would not get identical demons. You probably wouldn't even get similar demons. That's exactly what happened with Cio, though...? Her husband reassembled her mask, not the exact flame. Who What Now posted:If angels can be in any shell then the needles that banished White Chain would be worthless. She could have just searched for another vessel instead of sulking in the Void. And further the Thorn Knights wouldn't have any reason to change their shells. It's not a coincidence that 6 Juggs looks hella thorny. They can't randomly choose to randomly inhabit anything, though, they have to be armor specially made for them. There's no example yet of an angel possessing armor (or anything else) not made for them. They couldn't even do it until humans created the armor, just like devils and masks. As for the Thorn Knights and Petal Knights, they likely changed their shells to suit their personality, not the other way around. Remember when White Chain was offered a thorn armor?
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So either allison accidentally gets her headspace perforated like those weird slave.. doll... things we saw at the court of evil, or Cio underestimates just how strong the key is and explodes. Alternatively this is close to the same as Cio gaining the key the normal way. In which case we could be getting another bout of good ol Yabbie. Now souped up on turbo royal furious dumbassery.
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ConfusedUs posted:Man, the drinking contest is so good. It's probably my favorite segment. It's great but the lyrics need a bit of adjustment to fit it to a meter. Either that or I was just too drunk last time I tried to sing it.
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Rotten Red Rod posted:That's exactly what happened with Cio, though...? Her husband reassembled her mask, not the exact flame. We have no idea whether it's the same flame in Cio's mask, though. Vladoks flame being in a new mask still produced something that was in some part Vladok. Obviously it's not just the mask that makes a demon. Rotten Red Rod posted:They can't randomly choose to randomly inhabit anything, though, they have to be armor specially made for them. There's no example yet of an angel possessing armor (or anything else) not made for them. They couldn't even do it until humans created the armor, just like devils and masks. I mean, if specific flames require specific vessels, then it stands to reason that the flame matters just as much as the vessel. The cold white and the hot black flames might be opposites, but they are also identical, because they are both YISUN, who is a paradox and a liar. Who What Now fucked around with this message at 18:39 on Nov 13, 2019 |
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