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Hellioning posted:Edelgard's thirst for Byleth is uncomfortable and strange, especially in non-CF routes.
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Endorph posted:edelgard gay
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Nov 13, 2019 18:50
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Endorph posted:edelgard gay then she should date dorothea tbh
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Nov 13, 2019 18:51
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Junpei Hyde posted:then she should date dorothea tbh no
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Nov 13, 2019 18:55
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Edelgard is simultaneously very gay but also bylethsexual, so she can have an S support with a male Byleth but it gives off a really weird vibe.
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Nov 13, 2019 18:57
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Bi people exist.
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Nov 13, 2019 19:00
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Sydin posted:male Byleth 
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Nov 13, 2019 19:01
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The mechanics of this series mean that characters will always be bi at most and we won't see any exclusively gay characters. Edelgard is massively obsessed with Byleth, even more so femByleth so it's very easy and fun to read her as a lesbian and only bi for game mechanics. Meanwhile Dorothea is very much bi just within the text of the game ignoring game mechanics. In this way I choose to see El as a lesbian and you can't take that from me. 
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Nov 13, 2019 19:03
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Hellioning posted:Bi people exist. what does that have to do with Edelgard
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Nov 13, 2019 19:04
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Eimi posted:The mechanics of this series mean that characters will always be bi at most and we won't see any exclusively gay characters 
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Nov 13, 2019 19:11
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STOP RUINING MY REASONING! Also I mostly mean after we got avatars and went full on dating sim.
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Nov 13, 2019 19:16
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thats why we should kill avatars forever
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Nov 13, 2019 19:17
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Endorph posted:thats why we should kill avatars forever What if we made all the avatars lesbians though?
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Nov 13, 2019 19:18
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avatars are bad and force awkward writing decisions and make people not realize that non-avatar content exists, even when theyre gay
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Nov 13, 2019 19:22
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Endorph posted:avatars are bad and force awkward writing decisions and make people not realize that non-avatar content exists, even when theyre gay but but Edeleth... 
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Nov 13, 2019 19:23
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Eimi posted:What if we made all the avatars lesbians though? gotta rep the bis, but also, avatars suck even when gay and that character slot could instead be filled with a gay not avatar
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Nov 13, 2019 19:23
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Eimi posted:but but Edeleth... imagine byleth with a personality
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Nov 13, 2019 19:24
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Junpei Hyde posted:imagine so not byleth at all?
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Nov 13, 2019 19:24
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Junpei Hyde posted:imagine 
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Nov 13, 2019 19:25
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Andrast posted:so not byleth at all? i like the design and the voice so we can keep that
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Nov 13, 2019 19:25
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They really need to have lesbian and gay characters who can date the avatar in addition to bi or straight characters. And they also need characters who aren't interested in the avatar at all. Having an avatar is not a good excuse for making everyone either straight or bi.
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Nov 13, 2019 19:27
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Endorph posted:edelgard gay so what
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Nov 13, 2019 19:29
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Eimi posted:The mechanics of this series mean that characters will always be bi at most and we won't see any exclusively gay characters. this isn’t true at all tho? if they can put in characters that are off-limits for dating the same sex like they do, then they can also put in characters that are off-limits for dating the opposite sex, there’s nothing stopping them
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Nov 13, 2019 19:31
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Genovera posted:They really need to have lesbian and gay characters who can date the avatar in addition to bi or straight characters. And they also need characters who aren't interested in the avatar at all. Having an avatar is not a good excuse for making everyone either straight or bi. This really. The avatar shouldn't get to date everyone. And as a lesbian we already deal with this, let the straights get a taste! Junpei Hyde posted:imagine I really like Byleth how she is though. Like the game uses that she's a silent protag to the hilt, and I really like how she's a weirdo learning how to human. It's as relatable as Bernie and Marianne are to me. I really enjoy those kind of awkward protagonists. And I mean they could've written her more, but when I think about Byleth I don't find her lacking personally.
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Nov 13, 2019 19:31
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if byleth wasnt an avatar they could have that exact personality but there could be writing adjustments/allowances for certain things
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Nov 13, 2019 19:35
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Would this proposed non avatar game allow you to pick the gender of your protag because honestly that's the most important thing to me. I do not like playing games where I cannot play as a woman.
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Nov 13, 2019 19:36
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Byleth could have been better with a personality, like Robin in Awakening, but without the personality of "she's just real fuckin' weird, y'all," we would never have lines like this. e: Eimi posted:Would this proposed non avatar game allow you to pick the gender of your protag because honestly that's the most important thing to me. I do not like playing games where I cannot play as a woman. couldn't get into Witcher 3 for that reason
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Nov 13, 2019 19:37
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Eimi posted:Would this proposed non avatar game allow you to pick the gender of your protag because honestly that's the most important thing to me. I do not like playing games where I cannot play as a woman. Since you wouldn't have a character no, I wouldn't think so (not that Byleth has character heyooooo)
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Nov 13, 2019 19:38
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Bring back fire emblem where there is no player stand-in protagonist. Just the Lord(s) and their band of chucklefucks.
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Nov 13, 2019 19:41
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i mean, they could totally do "pick gender of main character with personality" I guess or just like have a woman protagonist you can do that
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Nov 13, 2019 19:43
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Junpei Hyde posted:have a woman protagonist Well obviously but that's not really answering the hypothetical presented
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Nov 13, 2019 19:45
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Endorph posted:avatars are bad and force awkward writing decisions and make people not realize that non-avatar content exists, even when theyre gay  The closest the whole MC avatar thing got to being fine was in Blazing Sword where they were a silent mute tactician who was punted to the side for the real characters pretty quickly. But then IntSys had to go back and even ruin that retroactively by having Lyn obsess over the player in all her subsequent appearances as if they're the FE7 tactician.
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Nov 13, 2019 19:48
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Eimi posted:Would this proposed non avatar game allow you to pick the gender of your protag because honestly that's the most important thing to me. I do not like playing games where I cannot play as a woman.
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Nov 13, 2019 19:51
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Amppelix posted:Does it make a difference how in Fire Emblem the player perspective is pretty far removed from the protagonist most of the time when they don't do the avatar thing. Not really, I like identifying with the main character and even in the older games it never feels like I'm a distant third character like the commander in Xcom. Like in say Sacred Stones I see myself as Eirika rather than some other character, or not a character. 
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Nov 13, 2019 19:53
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At the very least give avatars full voice acting. Having Byleth's half of the conversation be silent sucks and makes every scene where they talk significantly worse.
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Nov 13, 2019 19:57
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Hellioning posted:At the very least give avatars full voice acting. Having Byleth's half of the conversation be silent sucks and makes every scene where they talk significantly worse. I'd be for that, especially with their limited dialogue options to begin with. Or alternatively if you want them to be silent, go full on early crpg and give them a ton of written dialogue to choose between and say.
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Nov 13, 2019 20:00
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Yeah there was really no reason for Byleth to be a silent protagonist. Everybody else is fully voice acted and Robin/Corrin were also avatar characters who got tons of dialogue in their games. I get that there's a plot point that Byleth is basically a zombie until Sothis starts waking up, but if anything that could have been driven home even harder by having Byleth barely speak at all at the start of the game, and then by lateish Part 1 be talking normally and often.
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Nov 13, 2019 20:02
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Eimi posted:The mechanics of this series mean that characters will always be bi at most and we won't see any exclusively gay characters. Edelgard is massively obsessed with Byleth, even more so femByleth so it's very easy and fun to read her as a lesbian and only bi for game mechanics. Meanwhile Dorothea is very much bi just within the text of the game ignoring game mechanics. In this way I choose to see El as a lesbian and you can't take that from me. Even more so femByleth? Edelgard treats Byleth identical no matter the gender.
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The right way to do it would been to follow Mass Effect's example. The Silent protag is a JRPG staple though. It's normally fine in games like Dragon Quest or even Persona but it doesn't work for a serious political story where your character is supposed to a major political leader. I'm not sure even with a great writer a silent protagonist could work for a game like this.
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Basileus777 posted:Even more so femByleth? Edelgard treats Byleth identical no matter the gender. One of the big things is after Byleth collapses she makes it a point to carry femByleth while Hubert carries Boyleth.
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