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The police are not letting MAS officials enter the legislature https://twitter.com/wyattreed13/status/1194694319938195457 https://twitter.com/rolandoteleSUR/status/1194685248270983169 https://twitter.com/camilateleSUR/status/1194693303943467010
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Venom Snake posted:im going to embrace my usual dumb optimism and say that like what happened in Venezuela it's going to turn out theres very little popular support behind the coup and it's going to flop hard key difference is that the army probably won’t side with the anti-coup forces this time. it will probably get nasty. 
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Venom Snake posted:im going to embrace my usual dumb optimism and say that like what happened in Venezuela it's going to turn out theres very little popular support behind the coup and it's going to flop hard the difference here is that it doesn't appear that evo has access to any hard power at all at this point, and the anti-coup demonstrators will have to literally shoot the military and police until the golpista's surrender
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Atrocious Joe posted:The police are not letting MAS officials enter the legislature Some loving restoration of democracy right here.
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If the left wins in Bolivia I hope they use the opportunity to destroy the class power of the bourgeoisie.
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stolen from the other thread https://twitter.com/leavesanddust/status/1194692862077808640?s=20 https://twitter.com/leavesanddust/status/1194693047369523201?s=20
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Goon Danton posted:As an ex-liberal I can assure you, it doesn't occur to them to question why the news is all in agreement, because to them that just means it's obviously true. The idea of media bias only comes up as a way to disparage conservative and leftist outlets, so mainstream reporting gets about as much ideological scrutiny for international news as it does for the weather report or sports scores. The key flaw in their worldview is that they assume that facts about situations must always be available from the media (because they've always lived in a society with pervasive media telling them that they have the facts). As a result, when it comes to foreign situations, they feel that they have to believe something. So their choices are then US mainstream media and foreign media (usually in English). They've been taught to fully dismiss left-friendly foreign media as worthless propaganda, so that leaves them with only US media. And they're usually not savvy enough consumers of media to recognize the extent to which their perception is distorted by things like tone, etc. The end result is that they decide the left-wing side is bad and have a set of facts (that are possibly true) to support that. They've defined putting things in context as "whataboutism" so you can't counter their claims with "the alternative is a bunch of right-wing sickos who are way worse."
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every loving time with these guys. Christian fascists love dipping their toes in the drug trade.
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now you can understand why russia kicked out the U.S. NGOs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T04JA8Y2GzA
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Atrocious Joe posted:stolen from the other thread disney princess is coming come
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how can these orgs claim to be NGOs when they are bankrolled directly by the US government
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Epic High Five posted:how can these orgs claim to be NGOs when they are bankrolled directly by the US government very carefully
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Atrocious Joe posted:stolen from the other thread literally peak gusano lmao well of loving course they were
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Well I guess they didn't try to hide this one real hard.
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taqueso posted:Well I guess they didn't try to hide this one real hard. didn't think they needed to, and tbf they've been mostly right about that one so far
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Ytlaya posted:The key flaw in their worldview is that they assume that facts about situations must always be available from the media (because they've always lived in a society with pervasive media telling them that they have the facts). As a result, when it comes to foreign situations, they feel that they have to believe something. So their choices are then US mainstream media and foreign media (usually in English). They've been taught to fully dismiss left-friendly foreign media as worthless propaganda, so that leaves them with only US media. And they're usually not savvy enough consumers of media to recognize the extent to which their perception is distorted by things like tone, etc. for an entire decade liberals believed that al-jazeera was the propaganda arm of al-qaeda, because of the al in the name (most probably still do)
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so now leftists are against education?? grow up
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i think the school of the americas changed its name sometime after 9/11. they probably just called it Coup U
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United States School for Dictators that can't coup good and want to kill other people too
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it’s definitely some dumbass innocuous name now, but they’re doing the same poo poo https://twitter.com/spicysocialista/status/1194660667544023042?s=21
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lol it's called "Western Hemisphere Institute for Security Cooperation" now that's a very bush era name
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Atrocious Joe posted:stolen from the other thread the name “Hilarión“ has a lot of layers
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The Elliot Abrams Academy for Gifted Gusanos
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here we loving gooooooooo https://twitter.com/redfishstream/status/1194722451864870918
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THS posted:so now leftists are against education?? grow up 
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420 Gank Mid posted:Important info like this needs to be in the OP poo poo i came into this thread and forgot to read the OP. i accept my probation as penance.
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the real coup happened when frantz fanon wrote the wretched of the earth. the nazis are only trying to restore the will of the subject people to its right place
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https://twitter.com/TheOnion/status/1194680617440628736Epic High Five posted:how can these orgs claim to be NGOs when they are bankrolled directly by the US government
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why wouldnt you like make it a top priority to purge these literal graduates from the coup-training university from the military or law enforcement lmao how many times does this poo poo have to happen
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Goon Danton posted:As an ex-liberal I can assure you, it doesn't occur to them to question why the news is all in agreement, because to them that just means it's obviously true. The idea of media bias only comes up as a way to disparage conservative and leftist outlets, so mainstream reporting gets about as much ideological scrutiny for international news as it does for the weather report or sports scores. There's also the fact that these people have been primed to view statements like "mainstream media is essentially propaganda and can't be trusted" like un-serious conspiracy theory nonsense. They generally view the idea that mainstream sources aren't trustworthy as similar to being a 9/11 truther or something. It's ridiculous on its face to them, in a way that doesn't need any further explanation.
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A discouraging aspect of spending a lot of time reading about Latin American policy is that some liberals suffer "come back and become better well-read until you agree with me" syndrome, where I could go through PDFs like http://cepr.net/images/stories/reports/bolivia-elections-2019-11.pdf?v=2 and will go "well Western leftists can't possibly know as much as the Bolivian small business owners who have mineral rights I hear from through the New York Times anyway".
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galenanorth posted:A discouraging aspect of spending a lot of time reading about Latin American policy is that some liberals suffer "come back and become better well-read until you agree with me" syndrome, where I could go through PDFs like http://cepr.net/images/stories/reports/bolivia-elections-2019-11.pdf?v=2 and will go "well Western leftists can't possibly know as much as the Bolivian small business owners who have mineral rights I hear from through the New York Times anyway". When liberals find a member of a minority group (or foreign country in this case) who agrees with them, it's "listening to peoples' lived experiences." If the left does the same, it's malicious tokenism.
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I can't wait for someone to tell me that race isn't a thing in Bolivia like it is in the US
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Tollymain posted:theyre right and youre wrong and there is no evidence on this earth that can convince these people beyond physically shoving their faces into the mass graves they support the creation of as if they wouldn't just say that the victims deserved it for breaking the law or something
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