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MikeJF posted:Also going back to get that it always amazes me when I remember that Janet and Bad Janet are played by the same person, I don't even recognise her when she's acting as the other. Remember that she also acted as Eleanor, Jason, Chidi and Tahani all in that one episode.
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The Janets are basically a Heroic Skynet now.
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BioEnchanted posted:I like the neutral Janets' zombie like stances. It's amazing that the manifesto seems to have even made them care enough about something to do something. Well, Bad and Neutral may have bad attitudes, but they're still some of the smartest beings alive, and presumably believe they act in accordance with the afterlife system being just by their very design. A few thousand pages laying out solid evidence why it's not is exactly what you'd need, more than any appeals to emotion. Especially with the non-super-rebooted Janets that haven't developed enough to make moral judgements on their own. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 10:57 on Nov 16, 2019 |
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Nov 16, 2019 10:55
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A fun episode could be one from the Judge's point of view, as Chidi sorts out the new system we see Gen being made to go through all kinds of weird defenses that the Janets each constructed for their void's protection.
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Tequila25 posted:Idle speculation based on a philosopher and philosophical concept that got name dropped during interviews with Schur: Rawls' Veil of Ignorance I'll do you one better, (speculation based on philosophical spoilers) the new architects of the afterlife will, for the duration of the reinvention of the afterlife, have their memories wiped, so that they don't know which of them are the judge, the good place crew, the bad place crew, a bad mortal, a good mortal, or Mindy.
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Good Janet and Bad Janet were both rebooted many many times, which made them more sentient The other Janets were not, so why would the manifesto get through to them?
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Argue posted:I'll do you one better, (speculation based on philosophical spoilers) the new architects of the afterlife will, for the duration of the reinvention of the afterlife, have their memories wiped, so that they don't know which of them are the judge, the good place crew, the bad place crew, a bad mortal, a good mortal, or Mindy. They did that in the Doctor Who 50th special and it was an interesting solution.
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BioEnchanted posted:The Janets are basically a Heroic Skynet now. “Not a neural network!”
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BlueBayou posted:Good Janet and Bad Janet were both rebooted many many times, which made them more sentient It's Cloud Janetting. They all run on the same Janetware, so Good Janet and Bad Janet are offloading their knowledge on their Janetblings. They get the benefits, without dying all the time. Or, Good Janet and Bad Janet became so powerful after being reset so often, that they can make other Janet's do whatever they want. Janet is a robot then. I think I prefer the first one tho.
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I didn't see it coming, but of course the arbiter of the current system is going to rule to keep that current system and alter society to fit it rather than alter the laws to fit society. It makes sense for their function and role.
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Janet fell in love with Jason after one reboot. It wasn't the reboots that gave her compassion and empathy. There's no reason why the manifesto couldn't have persuaded the others on its merits.
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Nov 16, 2019 15:29
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Michael is as persuasive a writer as he is bad at illusions.
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Nov 16, 2019 15:33
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Given Shawn is still there at the scene, it would be great if he inadvertantly helps Chidi work through how the new system would work simply by trying to put him down. "Oh please, that'll never work..." "You're right Shawn..." "I am?" "Yeah, it doesn't take into account this variable... thanks for pointing that out..."
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With the Good Janets at least we know that they are specifically driven to make humans happy and don't have the inability to act that the people running the good place do, so of course they'd be opposed to deleting everything to start over. Bad Janets we don't know as much about what makes them tick but it's quite possible they end up thinking similarly to Glenn - they want to torture humans but only if they actually deserve it. Neutral Janets who knows. Disco Janet is down for whatever.
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Disco Janet implies that there's a Disco Place.
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Can anyone screen shot a high res pic of Disco Janet in her final pose? Hulu won’t allow iPad screenshots sadly.
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CaveGrinch posted:Can anyone screen shot a high res pic of Disco Janet in her final pose? Hulu won’t allow iPad screenshots sadly.
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Why would Shawn want everything rebooted anyway since he delights so much in tormenting the stupid humans that exist now? He's basically advocating for the judge taking away all his toys.
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Inspector 34 posted:Why would Shawn want everything rebooted anyway since he delights so much in tormenting the stupid humans that exist now? He's basically advocating for the judge taking away all his toys. At the moment he's just happy that Michael's unhappy.
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Inspector 34 posted:Why would Shawn want everything rebooted anyway since he delights so much in tormenting the stupid humans that exist now? He's basically advocating for the judge taking away all his toys. He didn't actually seem happy about it, just gloating that Michael's plan still made him lose everything.
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I am glad that something interesting is happening and impressed that it was basically guessed earlier on. But the episode still felt a bit flat? Man I really can't get over the good place guys not caring that nobody has been there for hundreds of years. Although I know they're decorum Centrists it's still a bit blah. And you'd think the judge would at least have a bash at a new system before killing everyone? Now we've learned what we've learned!
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Here's the thing: The only people in the afterlife who actually care about the humans are Michael, Glenn (newly) and now all the Janets. No one else gives it a second thought. To them, they aren't friends, or even babysitters to humanity - they are zookeepers. Just keep us happy in the good place so no one whines, or torture us in the bad place for fun if we gently caress up. That's it.
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wait, since when did glenn care about the humans? I don't remember him caring about humans at all, he was just annoyed that his boss is an rear end in a top hat and was cheating (which was somehow shocking to a demon).
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double nine posted:wait, since when did glenn care about the humans? I don't remember him caring about humans at all, he was just annoyed that his boss is an rear end in a top hat and was cheating (which was somehow shocking to a demon). I figured that was a starting point for him breaking out of his mould, but I guess I gave the character too much credit.
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ZearothK posted:Jason looks amazing in anything
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The judge mentioned a thing that could end all wars while digging through her purse. The immortals don't give a gently caress about humanity.
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From the podcast, the Five Stages of Jacksonville Grief: - Graffiti a Red Lobster - ATV race - Tattoo fight - Prank call the morgue - Graffiti the morgue
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ZearothK posted:Jason looks amazing in no shirt
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Vietnamwees posted:REALLY curious to see how a 'tattoo fight' would work... Well, it started back when Commander Chakotay talked poo poo about Mike Tyson....
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Straight White Shark posted:The Janet army revelation was extremely badass but... couldn't Bad Janet have just kept her mouth shut and completely stymied the judge? She only knows to go looking in other Janets' voids because Bad Janet spilled the beans. If Bad Janet had kept her mouth shut then the Judge would be kept clueless, but she also would have kept things rather static because the Judge would have stuck around to confound anything Team Cockroach did. It'd basically just keep things in eternal stasis, which is no good either.
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I'm really curious how they're going to do the rest of the season. Let's say they figure out a new system next episode, and we'll even assume everything is resolved before the finale and it's just a 'where are they now' ending. That still leaves a lot of airtime!
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Argue posted:I'll do you one better, (speculation based on philosophical spoilers) the new architects of the afterlife will, for the duration of the reinvention of the afterlife, have their memories wiped, so that they don't know which of them are the judge, the good place crew, the bad place crew, a bad mortal, a good mortal, or Mindy. Haha, I hope they do this. That's so good.
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Argue posted:I'll do you one better, (speculation based on philosophical spoilers) the new architects of the afterlife will, for the duration of the reinvention of the afterlife, have their memories wiped, so that they don't know which of them are the judge, the good place crew, the bad place crew, a bad mortal, a good mortal, or Mindy. The new afterlife will basically be a big game of Mafia/Werewolf.
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Bobulus posted:I'm really curious how they're going to do the rest of the season. Let's say they figure out a new system next episode, and we'll even assume everything is resolved before the finale and it's just a 'where are they now' ending. That still leaves a lot of airtime! I would assume that the next episode will be Chidi coming up with some kind of new system, and that then there'll be a few episodes where they trial it because they still need to convince the beauracracy of heaven to adopt it even if they come up with a new method to deal with humans. The Judge is still a thing, and won't disappear just because Chidi imagines a new system after all. It seems likely the new system will require another trial run, where the 3 existing humans will be shown as being capable of greater improvement than they were under the old system and so adopting this new system is preferable to just wiping everything and starting over from scratch. I'd assume Brent will be the major winner of this new system, and need to undergo the most radical change to prove it's worth. Which should be fun. Seeing him actually develop in to a decent person after half a season of everyone hating on him for being such a dick will be quite cathartic. It would also go a long way to explain why they chose to include such an unrepentant douchebag for the first experiment; because they had to show that while he was capable of change the old system didn't engender it, so the new one is better because it does encourage it. I do wonder if they'll have a 4th member for that new trail though (presuming anything like it happens), since Chidi is the architect and it seems quite redundant to wipe his memories and have him go through it while the original team try to help him again. Maybe Sean or another demon will be the 4th "human" this time? Maybe that one demon they exploded could take his place? Maybe all of Team Cockroach will join the other 3 and there'll be 7 real humans, because they need to test the system on themselves (their old, pre-Good Place selves) to prove it's worth? tsob fucked around with this message at 14:04 on Nov 17, 2019 |
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BlueBayou posted:Good Janet and Bad Janet were both rebooted many many times, which made them more sentient
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Jet Jaguar posted:From the podcast, the Five Stages of Jacksonville Grief: That was excellent and I'm bummed it was cut, but I'm also very glad I got the hear it lol
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Started watching this on Netflix the other day. I enjoy it.
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Terra-da-loo! posted:Started watching this on Netflix the other day. I enjoy it.
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