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WarpedNaba posted:Wait, is it revenge porn for goons or involving goons? "homegroan" had to be specifically banned for a reason
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Nov 16, 2019 13:15
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https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/11/16/world/asia/china-xinjiang-documents.html From the author on Twitter: "More than 400 pages of internal Chinese documents detail the origins and growth of the indoctrination program in Xinjiang. The material was brought to light by a member of the Chinese political establishment who requested anonymity and expressed hope that the disclosure would prevent party leaders, including Xi Jinping, from escaping culpability for the mass detentions There are nearly 200 pages of speeches by Xi Jinping, XJ party secretary Chen Quanguo and security boss Zhu Hailun. There’s another 150+ pages of directives and orders on controlling the Muslim population. I’ve reported on China since 2003, and can’t recall a leak like this It is stunning to hear party leaders in their own words ordering a drastic crackdown on extremism, including mass detentions, and the cold calculations with which they weigh the consequences The speeches record Xi in 2014 ordering an all-out “struggle against terrorism, infiltration and separatism” using the “organs of dictatorship” and showing “absolutely no mercy” Chen redistributes Xi’s speeches after he goes to Xinjiang in 2016, and calls for a “smashing, obliterating offensive” and issues a vague order to “round up everyone who should be rounded up” But perhaps the most telling document is a guide for officials to explain the camps to children of detainees. It is full of veiled threats, pseudomedical language of psychological infection and assurances the party will take care of you
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Nov 16, 2019 14:41
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So all those people defending China saying they no longer are slaughtering prisoners to steal their organs https://gizmodo.com/china-may-be-concealing-organ-harvesting-through-fake-d-1839890120
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Nov 16, 2019 15:29
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vincentpricesboner posted:So all those people defending China saying they no longer are slaughtering prisoners to steal their organs "Non-voluntary organ donors" is a great phrase.
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Nov 16, 2019 17:15
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Harik posted:out of morbid curiosity, what are the final two signs of the apocalypse? R. Guyovich demodded and banned (technically written out as 'no dumbshit tankie admins') The other one is not yet fulfilled and can't be disclosed but it's honestly well on its way.
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Nov 16, 2019 18:26
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Hot goon clams Hot goon clams One a penny Two a penny Hot goon clams Give them to your friends Give them to your babies One a penny Two a penny Hot goon clams
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Nov 17, 2019 00:44
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The NYT has published 400 pages of leaks on the Uighur concentration camps. https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1195728248040087552?s=19
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Nov 17, 2019 14:44
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It's looking really nasty at Hong Kong Polytechnic U right now https://twitter.com/rachel_cheung1/status/1196120122877853696
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Nov 17, 2019 19:12
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Kangxi posted:It's looking really nasty at Hong Kong Polytechnic U right now I heard about that.  Good luck to everybody.Except the cops.
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Nov 18, 2019 01:58
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According to my Guardian morning briefing plainclothes Beijing military personnel have been sent in to "tidy up the debris" which seems a little escalate-ery. Can't see it in the Live Blog but given a lot is happening it's probably lost in other events.
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Nov 18, 2019 10:56
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https://twitter.com/HongKongFP/status/1196374201604526080 The military thing happened, but kind of got overshadowed by all the other events that took place after that. The official response to an organized group of dozens of PLA soldiers taking to the streets of HK was, "It's fine! Everything's fine! They're just helping! Why can't you just let them help and enjoy nice things??" Which no doubt is the same response it will be next time when it's 50 soldiers "helping" to direct traffic around a protest situation, and the same response the time after that when it's 100 soldiers "helping" the HK police to maintain order...
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Nov 18, 2019 12:30
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Popular Front did a recent YouTube episode on the protests and interviewed a front line protester. https://youtu.be/MWh_EXPj9JI
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Nov 18, 2019 21:37
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Tesseraction posted:According to my Guardian morning briefing plainclothes Beijing military personnel have been sent in to "tidy up the debris" which seems a little escalate-ery. Can't see it in the Live Blog but given a lot is happening it's probably lost in other events. Sincx did a halfway-effort post on this in The Other Thread that I think is about right: sincx posted:Chewing this over, the "PLA cleanup volunteers" might be the first not-dumb move from the PRC this entire sorry saga.
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Nov 18, 2019 21:58
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Tesseraction posted:According to my Guardian morning briefing plainclothes Beijing military personnel have been sent in to "tidy up the debris" which seems a little escalate-ery. Can't see it in the Live Blog but given a lot is happening it's probably lost in other events. Okay "Plain clothes" is a little disengenious. They are wearing a uniform. Jusy because they arent in drab with flcs doesnt mean they are in "plain clothes" they are wearint PTs basically.  Pretty sure they lack embroidery due to cheapness. Not stealth.
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Nov 18, 2019 22:36
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GreyjoyBastard posted:Sincx did a halfway-effort post on this in The Other Thread that I think is about right: Cheers for this, gives a good dive into the detail. WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:Okay "Plain clothes" is a little disengenious. They are wearing a uniform. Jusy because they arent in drab with flcs doesnt mean they are in "plain clothes" they are wearint PTs basically. Yeah, that is indeed disingenuous framing to call that plainclothes - they're not in body armour but that's hardly hiding their status.
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Nov 18, 2019 23:23
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https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3819595 Those kids are going to die in camps
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Nov 19, 2019 00:11
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Demiurge4 posted:https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3819595 And here is a picture of the suspects getting off at the Mung Kok East station that is one stop down the East Rail Line: https://twitter.com/thetimeusedtobe/status/1196321755276558337
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Nov 19, 2019 01:20
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What will China use to paper things over if they are taking them into China?
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Nov 20, 2019 09:58
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"An enemy of the state" -- account of torture. https://m.facebook.com/notes/cheng-man-kit/for-the-record-an-enemy-of-the-state/2490959950941845/
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Nov 20, 2019 17:20
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Kavros posted:"An enemy of the state" -- account of torture. Read that account, then this: https://twitter.com/EricCheungwc/status/1197153100441759744 Another HK Gov loon out of touch with the public, in charge of Justice no less. No wonder her police force has rape allegations every week and constantly find dead young women, ruling their deaths as not suspicious. HK is a Milgram Experiment with no repercussions right now
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Nov 20, 2019 17:59
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https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1198789829305257985?s=19 Puppets, all of you!
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Nov 26, 2019 00:23
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The C.I.A. rigged the results, it's the only explanation that fits my world view!!! Why would anyone want to reject the Chinese Communist Party's loving hugs?
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Nov 26, 2019 01:46
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Elections mean nothing, democracy is a sham! [Goes to the South American country threads] The people elected these leaders! No leader can lead without the will and consent of the people, the people have spoken! Carrie Lam was elected by the people of Hong Kong and you should accept it and the electoral system in Hong Kong. There's nothing wrong with it you imperialist stooges. [Goes to a US politics discussion] The electoral college is a terrible and illegitimate system. I will never accept any official elected by any system like this. RocknRollaAyatollah fucked around with this message at 05:07 on Nov 26, 2019 |
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Nov 26, 2019 01:58
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RocknRollaAyatollah posted:. Ok but everyone should do this tho.
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Nov 26, 2019 02:13
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The people have spoken, democracy has won. congratulation Hong Kong.
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Nov 26, 2019 02:21
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Now we see what happens to a Democratic country without tanks or the protection of the US hegemony.
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Nov 26, 2019 05:16
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WarpedNaba posted:Now we see what happens to a Democratic country HK is not a country, it is a part of china
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Nov 26, 2019 05:23
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China is not a country. It's a part of Taiwan.
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Nov 26, 2019 05:28
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CAPS LOCK BROKEN posted:HK is not a country, it is a part of china Does the CCP consider the Qing dynasty to be the legitimate deciders of what is china and what is not? Hong Kong was part of China 100+ Years ago under a regime the CCP has deemed to be illegitimate etc. So For China to own HK it would be an imperialist act of annexing a new territory that never was owned by the CCP to begin with. WAR CRIME GIGOLO fucked around with this message at 05:55 on Nov 26, 2019 |
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Nov 26, 2019 05:53
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CAPS LOCK BROKEN posted:HK is not a country, it is a part of china What is the impact of this landslide electoral denunciation of Lam and the PRC?
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WarpedNaba posted:China is not a country. It's a part of Taiwan.  China is a country, and Tsai Ing-wen is its rightful chief executive.WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:Does the CCP consider the Qing dynasty to be the legitimate deciders of what is china and what is not? the ccp considers the qing to be legitimate-ish until they were overthrown by the Republic, so ehh
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Nov 26, 2019 06:13
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Congrats, Jeb!
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Nov 26, 2019 07:04
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Let me just say this. China gains some of my respect by not subverting the voting process with intimidation. 70% turnout is good for any future democracy.
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Nov 26, 2019 08:15
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Wistful of Dollars posted:What is the impact of this landslide electoral denunciation of Lam and the PRC? https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1199258995904544768
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:Let me just say this. China gains some of my respect by not subverting the voting process with intimidation. 70% turnout is good for any future democracy. Indeed. I think it’s important to not overlook that. I also hope the result of the election wakes some people up in the CCP who have been drinking the ethno-nationalist kool-aid and they realize mainland China really needs to re-evaluate its image and the way it acts towards people outside the mainland, or even to minorities in China. Of course, that’s probably too much to hope for.
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Heithinn Grasida posted:Indeed. I think it’s important to not overlook that. I also hope the result of the election wakes some people up in the CCP who have been drinking the ethno-nationalist kool-aid and they realize mainland China really needs to re-evaluate its image and the way it acts towards people outside the mainland, or even to minorities in China. Of course, that’s probably too much to hope for. Judging how these things normally go they're probably more likely to decide to get rid of what little democracy they have, and double-down on all of their most horrific policies.
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Yeah, the CCP is vastly more likely to interpret this as "The people of Hong Kong are  and need repression/further meddling in local government/mandatory 'patriotic' education in schools/other heavy-handed measures" than as a reason for self-introspection on the CCP's part.
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Heithinn Grasida posted:Indeed. I think it’s important to not overlook that. I also hope the result of the election wakes some people up in the CCP who have been drinking the ethno-nationalist kool-aid and they realize mainland China really needs to re-evaluate its image and the way it acts towards people outside the mainland, or even to minorities in China. Of course, that’s probably too much to hope for. My theory is Beijing decided to let the election go ahead probably about 1 months before the election. There was almost no threatening talk of delaying the election from the HK officials and pro China newspaper (and Global News!) I remember watching a political show from Taiwan and most of the commentators thought the election was going to be delayed. We will never know what the motive is. But I am glad the election happened just so people could use it to vend some frustration. If you look at the result, even some experienced councilmen who were against the extradition bill from the start lost. The election result is very "pro first timer, anti establishment". If the HKers think election can save them, let them have their election. Also, this is basically Beijing not letting US have any excuse to sanction Hong Kong with the new human right bill. "Look, we let HK have their election, and we even lost!" That's Beijing's chess move. HK still lose some long term financing and investment opportunities just because the bill exist. But short term is a strategic ceasefire. And it's nothing compared to what London will go through. whatever7 fucked around with this message at 14:12 on Nov 26, 2019 |
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