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sx nmb*r	69	0.22%
w@@d n_mb_r	420	1.34%
Jeb! number	538	1.72%
Biden numbr	30330	96.72%
Total:	31357 votes

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Taintrunner: Apr 10, 2017; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

hey remember when Linda Hamilton negotiated with Skynet to only kill and enslave 5/6 of humanity

# ? Nov 16, 2019 21:12

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# ? Jun 10, 2024 22:36

Paramemetic: Sep 29, 2003; Area 51. You heard of it, right?; Fallen Rib

spacemang_spliff posted:

isn't that just like... a job?

Yeah but you get paid less and your boss gets subsidized for it instead. You just have to have it if you want food stamps and so on.

# ? Nov 16, 2019 21:13

Sojenus: Dec 28, 2008

Majorian posted:

I'm afraid there's no known cure for Boomerbrain that one's doctor can prescribe.

assisted suicide is legal in some states

# ? Nov 16, 2019 21:14

But Rocks Hurt Head: Jun 30, 2003; by Hand Knit; Pillbug

Taintrunner posted:

No!

# ? Nov 16, 2019 21:16

spacemang_spliff: Nov 29, 2014; wide pickle

Paramemetic posted:

Yeah but you get paid less and your boss gets subsidized for it instead. You just have to have it if you want food stamps and so on.

oh that's cool and totally makes sense

# ? Nov 16, 2019 21:17

crazy cloud: Nov 7, 2012; by Cyrano4747; Lipstick Apathy

Taintrunner posted:

hey remember when Linda Hamilton negotiated with Skynet to only kill and enslave 5/6 of humanity

3 years from now

Only kill and enslave 5/6 of humanity 3 years from now, we've got a midterm to lose first

# ? Nov 16, 2019 21:22

The Anime Liker: Aug 8, 2009; by VideoGames

Paramemetic posted:

Yeah but you get paid less and your boss gets subsidized for it instead. You just have to have it if you want food stamps and so on.

To really hammer home the point, "work for welfare" meant that the government still paid welfare, but the money went to McDonald's.

People on workfare then worked at McDonald's.

After completing the obligatory amount of work, you then received your welfare.

So the government still "lost" money, McDonald's didn't have to pay the employee, and the employee collected $200 for 120 hours of work a month.

DEMOCRATS!

# ? Nov 16, 2019 21:23

crazy cloud: Nov 7, 2012; by Cyrano4747; Lipstick Apathy

A HORNY SWEARENGEN posted:

To really hammer home the point, "work for welfare" meant that the government still paid welfare, but the money went to McDonald's.

People on workfare then worked at McDonald's.

After completing the obligatory amount of work, you then received your welfare.

So the government still "lost" money, McDonald's didn't have to pay the employee, and the employee collected $200 for 120 hours of work a month.

DEMOCRATS!

that's just slavery with extra steps lmao

# ? Nov 16, 2019 21:26

Paramemetic: Sep 29, 2003; Area 51. You heard of it, right?; Fallen Rib

crazy cloud posted:

that's just slavery with extra steps lmao

edit:

# ? Nov 16, 2019 21:30

The Anime Liker: Aug 8, 2009; by VideoGames

crazy cloud posted:

that's just slavery with extra steps lmao

Please. Let's not slander the institution of slavery.

The federal government didn't write huge checks to plantation owners for every slave they owned.

# ? Nov 16, 2019 21:31

Taintrunner: Apr 10, 2017; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

https://twitter.com/chazkellyisms/status/1195594838932119552

WOW! Bill Maher just endorsed Bernie Sanders!

# ? Nov 16, 2019 21:52

temple: Jul 29, 2006; I have actual skeletons in my closet

MAHER! *click*

# ? Nov 16, 2019 21:57

Thoguh: Nov 8, 2002; College Slice

Ady got his account back.

https://twitter.com/AdyBarkan/status/1195784878467403776?s=19

# ? Nov 16, 2019 21:58

Victory Position: Mar 16, 2004

Gene Hackman Fan posted:

we can talk about what makes d&ders come here, but they must be brought to heel.

You have happened upon a darkened and heavily-forrested grove. The air is still and nothing stirs. As your carriageman relieves himself by a nearby tree, you hear a rustling. What is it? Who could it be? Alas, it is those confounded C-SPAM highway~~men~~folk! You are beaten, found out of your goods, and thrown by the wayside, the carriage being theirs.

It is night outside.

# ? Nov 16, 2019 22:01

RaySmuckles: Oct 14, 2009; Grimey Drawer

Victory Position posted:

You have happened upon a darkened and heavily-forrested grove. The air is still and nothing stirs. As your carriageman relieves himself by a nearby tree, you hear a rustling. What is it? Who could it be? Alas, it is those confounded C-SPAM highway~~men~~folk! You are beaten, found out of your goods, and thrown by the wayside, the carriage being theirs.

It is night outside.

report them to the mods!

# ? Nov 16, 2019 22:09

Taintrunner: Apr 10, 2017; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

https://twitter.com/neeratanden/status/1195518679141814272

yeah we should listen to obama: campaign on the things people need, and then assure wall street that you're going to immediately backstab those people when you take office

# ? Nov 16, 2019 22:10

GoluboiOgon: Aug 19, 2017; by Nyc_Tattoo

Victory Position posted:

You have happened upon a darkened and heavily-forrested grove. The air is still and nothing stirs. As your carriageman relieves himself by a nearby tree, you hear a rustling. What is it? Who could it be? Alas, it is those confounded C-SPAM highway~~men~~folk! You are beaten, found out of your goods, and thrown by the wayside, the carriage being theirs.

It is night outside.

they clearly should have read the OP

# ? Nov 16, 2019 22:12

Homeless Friend: Jul 16, 2007

Victory Position posted:

You have happened upon a darkened and heavily-forrested grove. The air is still and nothing stirs. As your carriageman relieves himself by a nearby tree, you hear a rustling. What is it? Who could it be? Alas, it is those confounded C-SPAM highway~~men~~folk! You are beaten, found out of your goods, and thrown by the wayside, the carriage being theirs.

It is night outside.

roll direction check to qcs

# ? Nov 16, 2019 22:14

BENGHAZI 2: Oct 13, 2007; by Cyrano4747

I'm Barack Obama, I'm Ryan Schutt, and I'm gay

# ? Nov 16, 2019 22:16

Feldegast42: Oct 29, 2011; COMMENCE THE RITE OF SHITPOSTING

Obama was simply trying to lose so many democratic seats that the simulation hits an underflow and gives us overwhelming supermajorities

I just don't know why you bernie bros don't understand that

# ? Nov 16, 2019 22:20

Victory Position: Mar 16, 2004

Homeless Friend posted:

roll direction check to qcs

You are heading north. Heading north to QCS, you are accosted by an errant poster!

"Actually, Warren's plan was more well nuanced than Buttigieg's..."

You immediately fester from within and turn up into a pile of bones.

GAME OVER

# ? Nov 16, 2019 22:21

Gene Hackman Fan: Dec 27, 2002; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Victory Position posted:

You have happened upon a darkened and heavily-forrested grove. The air is still and nothing stirs. As your carriageman relieves himself by a nearby tree, you hear a rustling. What is it? Who could it be? Alas, it is those confounded C-SPAM highway~~men~~folk! You are beaten, found out of your goods, and thrown by the wayside, the carriage being theirs.

It is night outside.

perception check to see if these succlords can tell there's a grue nearby or not

# ? Nov 16, 2019 22:21

IWW Online Branch: Apr 20, 2016; by Nyc_Tattoo

We're being raided by nerds. Gas the D&D thread.

# ? Nov 16, 2019 22:29

Vox Nihili: May 28, 2008; Can't post for 6 hours!

Wow a real Yang Ganger showed up ITT? It's been ages

# ? Nov 16, 2019 22:30

ded redd: Aug 1, 2010; by Fluffdaddy

Thoguh posted:

Ady got his account back.

https://twitter.com/AdyBarkan/status/1195784878467403776?s=19

going from �60 votes :smug:

� to this, yeah possibly

# ? Nov 16, 2019 22:36

ihatepants: Nov 5, 2011; Let the burning of pants commence. These things drive me nuts.

Looks like Warren fans are rallying behind her non-M4A healthcare plan.

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So admittedly I was upset about Warren's plan when I first heard the word "option." However, earlier i got this email from a member of All In For Warren, Dr. Steve Auerbach. He has an MD and MPH from Columbia University, and did his pediatrics residency at UCLA. He worked for the US Public Health Service for 30 years, and serves on the NYC chapter of Physicians For A National Health Program, a 501(c)3. He's a longtime advocate for single-payer healthcare. In other words, he's legit. This is what he wrote:

quote:

Responding to critics from left, and for that matter corporate mainstream media who may be praising her, Warren did not "cave-in on single payer, and Warren proposal is not doing something that is any way comparable to Buttigieg or Biden.

Yes, the single word "option" is definitely a trigger word for us single payer folks, insofar as it has always meant leaving the fragmented corporate for-profit health insurance in-place usually with additional tax payer subsidies to guarantee their profitability, which is what Buttigieg and Biden and all the so-called centrist (aka: Corporatist/Wall Street) candidates are proposing.

But if one takes the time to, you know, ACTUALLY READ ALL THE OTHER WORDS in Warren's plan on the one hand, and all the other words in Buttigieg and Biden plans on the other hand, they are talking about very different things. Buttigieg and Biden's have the corporate-standard version of public option, designed to be competing in open-ended perpetuity with commercial insurance. And the rest of their proposals are designed to keep fragmented corporate insurance forever, with guaranteed profits continuing to be subsidized by public funds. They do after all explicitly reject single payer expanded and improved �Medicare for All� and attack both Warren and Sanders for it.

On the other hand, Bernie supporters need to be reminded that the Sanders M4A bill has a four year transition too. With the Sanders Bill, some people get single payer sooner and others wait. And Warren's proposal, which explicitly again endorses the Sanders Bill is essentially the same. It's just which groups go first and which go later within the same 4 years is different. For the record, I still prefer Jayapal's House bill which does it in 2-years. But there is always going to be some form of a stepwise transition from our failing, costly commercial system to a fully operational public plan, where some folks get it sooner and some later.

The difference, as usual, is that Warren is providing wisely consulted and thought out details and timelines. Unlike other who vaguely shout and wave their hands.

And yes, Warren's specifics, for the otherwise same as Sanders four-year transition, is smartly politically designed to address both the general fear-mongering about �people losing what they have� and some of the specific concerns that some labor unions have raised too. What Warren has done is to do this in a way that both provides maximum affordable healthcare access to those who need it and want it right away, while reassuring those who want to "keep what they have" that they can and won't lose anything during the transition.

And as a single payer advocate for longer than Sanders has had his bill, let me say that's okay and not selling out. Most single payer supporters, Sanders included, have voted for the legislation that we can get passed today (ACA, Medicaid expansion, SCHIP re-authorization, FQHC expansion, etc.,) while still fighting for single payer. This is no different, except that she promises to use the power of the presidency to much even without waiting for Mitch McConnell�s approval. And to move things forward in a way that is more likely to get initial buy-in from hesitant corporate (oops I meant centrist) Democrats, while still leading inexorably to single payer by undercutting (but not propping up) corporate insurance.

When it comes to actually passing single payer in the real world, my colleague Dr. Ed Weisbart (who also personally as an individual supports Warren, while also being a pretty senior PNHP guy), puts it wisely (personal communication, published with his approval):

"It�s one thing to fully understand the structure of Medicare for All, and even the economics of it, but I�ve said countless times that the larger problem in the USA is the terminal phase of our democracy. This problem makes impossible any of a range of policy changes from health care to environmental to racism, take your pick. The two reasons I�ve been so focused on Medicare for All out of this is because that�s my area of expertise. But more importantly, the reason I like focusing on MFA is because the most common question I get from outside the choir, once they see the sense of what we�re saying, is �Why haven�t you already accomplished this?� That opens the important door to a discussion about the corrosion of democracy. I try really hard to connect those dots as I firmly believe we won�t fix any of the gazillion things wrong in our country without first, or simultaneously, fixing democracy. That�s the thing that has me so frigging excited about Warren. She connects those dots more clearly and consistently and simply than I can ever hope to do, and certainly more so than her opponents are able to do. So I look at her new proposal and see precisely what I think needs to be done. Sure, Bernie�s supporters are countering with �See? Warren won�t even try until year three. Bernie says he�ll submit his bill on day one.� Well guess what, Bernie has already submitted his bill, Warren is among the cosponsors, and it�s not going to go anywhere until the other things Warren calls out are addressed. So she actually spells out a pragmatic strategic plan to get the bill to pass, not just an enthusiastic rah rah rah drat the torpedoes blather."

Warren�s proposal is suggesting how to move something forward in the real world during the next presidential term from 2021-2024, and is admittedly a different theory of change (as DSA and Jacobin like to say) than the Sanders revolution from outside and below. I think we need both. I suspect Sanders does too, even if some of his more earnest supporters sometimes get carried away.

However, in order to work, any single payer proposal, Warren's included, does still have to get to an "everybody-in and nobody-out" endpoint. There does have to be predetermined fixed short time-frame (be it Sanders/Warren 4 years or Jayapals 2) for how long until commercial insurance can only offer supplemental coverage and cannot provide coverage that is duplicative of the public single payer. As a matter of actual economics and policy, if the healthy and wealthy can stay in duplicative private insurance, including indefinite "public options", for too long that would not actually work:

Private insurance will always "cherry pick" the healthy and wealthy and "lemon-drop" people as they get sick (and everybody does) into the public insurance pool. This adverse selection would make the public system the expensive system creating a so-called death spiral, while at the same time guaranteeing the private health insurance companies' profits.

And so long as hospitals, doctors and other clinicians can choose to stay out of public system, with a continued existence of some people covered by private insurance, that becomes untenable from provider supply side. And that would be the four years or less.

As the Senior Health Policy Fellow Don McCanne, M.D. from Physicians for a National Health Program (the folks who spearheaded single payer in the U.S. long before Sanders, and the group I also belong too) said in his public announcement yesterday:

"As promised, Elizabeth Warren is proposing dramatic transitional steps in improving our health care financing system, ending in the third year with a full transformation into a bona fide single-payer improved Medicare for All program. The sketchy details of the transformation are spelled out in her article, but much more important is that the end goal of a single payer model of Medicare for All is not compromised. It really can be achieved."

# ? Nov 16, 2019 22:36

Taintrunner: Apr 10, 2017; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

quote:

after a bunch of CSPAM poster got probated from posting in a D&D thread and the CSPAM laugh at insufficiently leftist people thread got gassed because of "raiding", there was a discussion in the new CSPAM laugh at insufficiently leftist people thread whining about QCS being locked down, CSPAM being under D&D and not allowed to select their own mods, which lead to people pining for the glory days of LF, which lead to talk of admins being biased against "real" leftists and for centerists because banning LF was a false flag as the real FBI-attracting post was in FYAD.

quote:

lol so they�re basically following the lf path almost verbatim. kind of funny and entertaining during the election then falling into a vicious cycle of leftier than thou shitposting that will inevitably cause it to implode

quote:

is it normal to have hammer and sickles floating in your vision and an intense urge to blame everything negative in my life on imperialist CIA meddling? asking for a friend...

libs mad

quote:

In other words, he's legit.

loving lmao

# ? Nov 16, 2019 22:41

CharlestheHammer: Jun 26, 2011; YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!

how is posting in D& D gonna destroy here

I don�t get the jump

# ? Nov 16, 2019 22:44

But Rocks Hurt Head: Jun 30, 2003; by Hand Knit; Pillbug

Hmm on one hand healthcare stocks had a banner day once Warren's plan was released.

On the other hand this expert guy w/ Ivy League degrees who was already a Warren surrogate is saying a bunch of words that make me feel better.

*slams the 'ignore materialism' button*

# ? Nov 16, 2019 22:44

docbeard: Jul 19, 2011

Vox Nihili posted:

Wow a real Yang Ganger showed up ITT? It's been ages

Well the last time Its Coke was here they were arguing that we should vote for a centrist so that we could maybe get a socialist in 2024 without making anyone too nervous, or some drat thing, so I question the sincerity of this position.

Anyway, a UBI is good (in combination with guaranteed jobs for anyone who wants them, public housing or at least nationwide rent control, a full social safety net, and hanging the jerk who invented work), but what Yang is proposing is the worst possible form it could take (and may well be a deliberate attempt to poison people against the idea of a real UBI).

# ? Nov 16, 2019 22:45

Gene Hackman Fan: Dec 27, 2002; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

first as a tragedy: "universal health care will never, ever happen!"

then as a farce: "I'm gonna propose it during my 3rd year in office, and private insurance will still be a thing"

# ? Nov 16, 2019 22:46

galenanorth: May 19, 2016

She could at least demand M4A and this "public option predecessor" be passed in the same bill, but no, it's the same "later after we win midterms" promise we got with the Affordable Care Act.

# ? Nov 16, 2019 22:46

ded redd: Aug 1, 2010; by Fluffdaddy

the phd has literally nothing to do with this, interacts precisely zero times with that brainwormed drivel and its only purpose is for these assclowns to point and say �look at what the smarty doctor-man says :downs:

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# ? Nov 16, 2019 22:50

Taintrunner: Apr 10, 2017; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

galenanorth posted:

She could at least demand M4A and this "public option predecessor" be passed in the same bill, but no, it's the same "later after we win midterms" promise we got with the Affordable Care Act.

# ? Nov 16, 2019 22:51

docbeard: Jul 19, 2011

In a vacuum, "phase Medicare For All in over time and multiple legislative efforts" could be a reasonable means for getting it done. But even if you assume that Elizabeth "literally the only thing I care about is well-regulated markets" Warren is pushing Medicare For All in good faith, the reaction of the private sector to even the tepid reforms of the ACA demonstrates that they'd fight it every step of the way and cripple it any and every way they can and cling to their profits with their dying breath, their victims (us) be damned.

Public-private partnerships have worked in other countries. Our private sector cannot be trusted, though, so they must be cleansed with fire and we must start anew.

# ? Nov 16, 2019 22:52

Parity warning: Nov 1, 2009; 3rd Place, TRP Sack Race 2021/22

quote:

[every single tweet on the entirety of twitter]

But Rocks Hurt Head posted:

Hahaha the Khive have arrived in the replies and they are PISSED

# ? Nov 16, 2019 22:52

Taintrunner: Apr 10, 2017; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Speaking of the K-Hive, this is their strategy:

https://twitter.com/loubegatherion/status/1195789319249760258

# ? Nov 16, 2019 22:52

The Pussy Boss: Nov 2, 2004

Taintrunner posted:

https://twitter.com/joshieecs/status/1195586880978464768?s=21

Bernie should use this and go on the attack

drat, looks like business is booming in the Denying People Life-saving Medical Treatment For Profit industry.

# ? Nov 16, 2019 22:53

Reverend Dr: Feb 9, 2005; Thanks Reverend

docbeard posted:

(and may well be a deliberate attempt to poison people against the idea of a real UBI).

deliberate

either he gets UBI fully associated with himself, or he burns the field so no one else can copy him (since you can't copyright legislation ideas)

# ? Nov 16, 2019 22:55

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# ? Jun 10, 2024 22:36

Lastgirl: Sep 7, 1997; Good Morning!
Sunday Morning!

Majorian posted:

https://twitter.com/jamie_elizabeth/status/1195772569976279040

New thread title?

too male

anyways

https://twitter.com/peterdaou/status/1195805159630213120

https://twitter.com/IlhanMN/status/1195817892421554177

:radcat:

# ? Nov 16, 2019 23:10

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