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SplitSoul
Dec 31, 2000

THE BAR posted:

What, did he pull a David Cameron?

I thought you said "harm", not "ham".

He voted in favour of robbing refugees of their belongings, for one, and is a so-called "immigration realist". Any SuccDem worth your time peaced out before Thorning became leader.

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KozmoNaut
Apr 23, 2008

Happiness is a warm
Turbo Plasma Rifle


Hvil i fred, Anker.

Munin
Nov 14, 2004


SplitSoul posted:

It's usually a safe assumption that any decision made by Social Democrats since the early '90s worsened things for common people.

I know one idealistic Socialist who went completely broken brained working for the Social Democrats in the '90s and seeing what they got up to.

Potrzebie
Apr 6, 2010

I may not know what I'm talking about, but I sure love cops! ^^ Boy, but that boot is just yummy!
Lipstick Apathy
DN is calling for Svenonius to resign due to the NKS fiasco. That's nice.

Fader Movitz
Sep 25, 2012

Snus, snaps och saltlakrits
Always something I guess. I'm cynical and believe no politicians in landstingen will ever have to resign since most people don't know or care who's in charge of landstingen or what they do. It's easier to blame the government for the corruption and incompetence of Stockholmsmoderaterna.

Summa summarum: :commissar: for any politician involved with NKS

SplitSoul
Dec 31, 2000

Fader Movitz posted:

:commissar: for any politician

:hmmyes:

MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

Fader Movitz posted:

Always something I guess. I'm cynical and believe no politicians in landstingen will ever have to resign since most people don't know or care who's in charge of landstingen or what they do. It's easier to blame the government for the corruption and incompetence of Stockholmsmoderaterna.

Summa summarum: :commissar: for any politician involved with NKS

Not true, M actually fell a lot in the last election in Stockholm! :eng101:

Because the voters went to the other parties in the coalition, leaving M just as in charge... :eng99:




There are some exceptions like Västernorrland where voters basically torched S on account of their healthcare cutdowns and shutdowns but generally yeah, voters have no idea.

Fader Movitz
Sep 25, 2012

Snus, snaps och saltlakrits
Having a separate day for elections to kommun and landsting like Norway does would probably help with Poole not knowing or caring, but it'd would cost money and make local politicians have to actually campaign and take responsibility so that's never gonna happen.

MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

Fader Movitz posted:

Having a separate day for elections to kommun and landsting like Norway does would probably help with Poole not knowing or caring, but it'd would cost money and make local politicians have to actually campaign and take responsibility so that's never gonna happen.

Empirically speaking, any splitting of voting dates lowers voter participation and favours right-wing parties.

Cardiac
Aug 28, 2012

Fader Movitz posted:

Having a separate day for elections to kommun and landsting like Norway does would probably help with Poole not knowing or caring, but it'd would cost money and make local politicians have to actually campaign and take responsibility so that's never gonna happen.

S have explicitly designed the election system this way since high turnout have been beneficial for them.
Also, local campaigns are actually effective as can be seen in Landskrona and Staffanstorp.

MiddleOne posted:

Empirically speaking, any splitting of voting dates lowers voter participation and favours right-wing parties.

Gee, I wonder why.

MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

Cardiac posted:

S have explicitly designed the election system this way since high turnout have been beneficial for them.

No harder way to game democracy than structuring the election system in a way where everyone gets to vote...? :lol:

Cardiac posted:

Also, local campaigns are actually effective as can be seen in Landskrona and Staffanstorp

Nah, SD voters voting for others municipally is a result of SDs municipal presence landing somewhere between crazies waiting to get kicked out of the party and empty chairs. If everyone was paying attention, they would get 0% even in hardcore SD municipalities.

Cardiac
Aug 28, 2012

MiddleOne posted:

No harder way to game democracy than structuring the election system in a way where everyone gets to vote...? :lol:

Read the argument again.

MiddleOne posted:

Nah, SD voters voting for others municipally is a result of SDs municipal presence landing somewhere between crazies waiting to get kicked out of the party and empty chairs. If everyone was paying attention, they would get 0% even in hardcore SD municipalities.

Way to go in missing the political change the last 10 years.

https://twitter.com/rebeccawuvell/status/1195635976133062657?s=21

Fader Movitz
Sep 25, 2012

Snus, snaps och saltlakrits

MiddleOne posted:

Empirically speaking, any splitting of voting dates lowers voter participation and favours right-wing parties.

I know that's a problem and we're not the first people to discuss this issue but I feel like Sweden has a problem with local elections and issues being mostly forgotten. Tbf Sweden is not alone in ignoring local politics, it's a pretty common thing.

Cardiac posted:

S have explicitly designed the election system this way since high turnout have been beneficial for them.
Also, local campaigns are actually effective as can be seen in Landskrona and Staffanstorp.


Gee, I wonder why.

Sure there are a few local kommun parties that made it. Generally people vote for the same party in kommun, landsting and riksdag even though the trend is moving away from that. Landstingen are mostly forgotten even though they are responsible for stuff like healthcare and public transport

Eschenique
Jul 19, 2019

Never trust anyone with 3 names or more.

Wild Horses
Oct 31, 2012

There's really no meaning in making beetles fight.
I have 4 names: two foreign sounding and two swedish. Could present myself how i want
Its ingenious but not honest

Eschenique
Jul 19, 2019

Wild Horses posted:

I have 4 names: two foreign sounding and two swedish. Could present myself how i want
Its ingenious but not honest

Look at the boughie hoarding all the names there while Cher and Madonna only get to have one.

BlankSystemDaemon
Mar 13, 2009



Eschenique posted:

Look at the boughie hoarding all the names there while Cher and Madonna only get to have one.
Prince was forced to reduce his name to only a single letter!

Alhazred
Feb 16, 2011




Eschenique posted:

Never trust anyone with 3 names or more.

:(

Wild Horses posted:

I have 4 names: two foreign sounding and two swedish. Could present myself how i want
Its ingenious but not honest
There's a trend now with people having hyphenated names and their children and grandchildren is going to end up with ridiculously long names.

Eschenique
Jul 19, 2019

Okay never trust anyone who uses 3 names.

Alhazred
Feb 16, 2011




I personally doesn't use all my names because I think it's a major hazzle but a lot of my family members does. This is a weird hangup you have.

KozmoNaut
Apr 23, 2008

Happiness is a warm
Turbo Plasma Rifle


I have three names, but 99% of the time I only use my very common first and last names, not my easily identifiable middle name.

Wild Horses
Oct 31, 2012

There's really no meaning in making beetles fight.

Alhazred posted:

:(

There's a trend now with people having hyphenated names and their children and grandchildren is going to end up with ridiculously long names.

Oh yeah jesus. FOUR last names???

Alhazred
Feb 16, 2011




Wild Horses posted:

Oh yeah jesus. FOUR last names???
Down the line we could risk having people with like ten last names.

Zudgemud
Mar 1, 2009
Grimey Drawer

Alhazred posted:

There's a trend now with people having hyphenated names and their children and grandchildren is going to end up with ridiculously long names.


Sweden has regulations against this though. For example if you marry or something you are not allowed to carry both of your last names, you have to pick one. And if Thorsson-Svensson is getting kids with Jonsson-Andersson they are only allowed to pick either of the parents last name for their kid, or a combination of the two parents such as Svensson-Andersson.

Cynic Jester
Apr 11, 2009

Let's put a simile on that face
A dazzling simile
Twinkling like the night sky
SvenAnderson-ThorJonson

Checkmate big government :smug:

Groda
Mar 17, 2005

Hair Elf
They should stop issuing passports to people who don't use their first name as their tilltalsnamn, for their own safety.

SplitSoul
Dec 31, 2000

The largest Danish union is now fighting for *checks notes* reduced inheritance tax.

Retarded Goatee
Feb 6, 2010
I spent :10bux: so that means I can be a cheapskate and post about posting instead of having some wit or spending any more on comedy avs for people. Which I'm also incapable of. Comedy.
Let's compromise - how about we make it 0% below 10m kronor, and just make it 100% on anything above that amount.

SplitSoul
Dec 31, 2000

Retarded Goatee posted:

Let's compromise - how about we make it 0% below 10m kronor, and just make it 100% on anything above that amount.

The rich have enough trouble understanding tax brackets as it is, let's just skip the whining by introducing a head tax.

:thermidor:

Rutkowski
Apr 28, 2008

CAN YOU BELIEVE THIS GUY?

SplitSoul posted:

The rich have enough trouble understanding tax brackets as it is, let's just skip the whining by introducing a head tax.

:thermidor:
Just present it as cutting the top 10%* of income earners and they'll think it's a tax cut.


*of the body

TheFluff
Dec 13, 2006

FRIENDS, LISTEN TO ME
I AM A SEAGULL
OF WEALTH AND TASTE
https://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=83&artikel=7347883

in the words of donoteat: BUILD A loving TRAIN

Eschenique
Jul 19, 2019


Autonomous trucks in tunnels will make all trains redundant though.


I suppose we could equip trains with massive batteries and put them in the tunnels too but it wouldn't be very efficient.

teen witch
Oct 9, 2012
As a Movingo monthly holder, I should go lay down on the tracks now for a 2 hour delayed train to obliterate me, yes?

The more I learn about railways in Sweden the more I’m amazed that they run at goddamn all.

Fader Movitz
Sep 25, 2012

Snus, snaps och saltlakrits
Commuting with movingo made me sympathise with people voting for anyone who can make the trains run on time.

Really wish we had someone like Corbyn here. Im so loving tired of neo liberal austerity economics being the only correct way of thinking in Swedish politics.

TheFluff
Dec 13, 2006

FRIENDS, LISTEN TO ME
I AM A SEAGULL
OF WEALTH AND TASTE

teen witch posted:

As a Movingo monthly holder, I should go lay down on the tracks now for a 2 hour delayed train to obliterate me, yes?

The more I learn about railways in Sweden the more I’m amazed that they run at goddamn all.

They hold up remarkably well for being largely 100 years old. IIRC there was no major new railway construction between ~1930 and the early 2000's. What really started the slide downhill was the massive downsizing and then privatization that started to take off in the 90's. If you see the beautiful book När tiden byter fot in a second hand bookstore, buy it.

Falukorv
Jun 23, 2013

A funny little mouse!
I wish we could allow two last names (one from each parent) for those who wish it because hyphenated last names are ugly af (IMO).

Eschenique
Jul 19, 2019

Fader Movitz posted:

Commuting with movingo made me sympathise with people voting for anyone who can make the trains run on time.

Really wish we had someone like Corbyn here. Im so loving tired of neo liberal austerity economics being the only correct way of thinking in Swedish politics.

Ironically the British trains are currently less reliable than they were back in WW2 when they were being strafed by nazi war planes :eng101:

Dirk Pitt
Sep 14, 2007

haha yes, this feels good

Toilet Rascal
https://www.dn.se/sthlm/danderyds-sjukhus-varslar-100-anstallda/

What the gently caress did the people expect?

MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

https://twitter.com/tsbalans/status/1198927671805272064

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Potrzebie
Apr 6, 2010

I may not know what I'm talking about, but I sure love cops! ^^ Boy, but that boot is just yummy!
Lipstick Apathy

If we just give M 4 more years, surely they will fix it lower my taxes.

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