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How are u posted:What field do you work in that this is a thing? How could you possibly believe this is common? Tech, which was the context of the post, though I realize not everyone's experience and I'll admit that I momentarily forgot which subforum I was in when I posted that and of course plenty of folks in this thread without that experience. As ridiculous as it sounds, it actually is pretty common for folks in software, especially in the bay area, and some recruiters have some pretty absurd tactics for getting attention of candidates.
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golden bubble posted:On one hand, a self-driving car has some marginal costs like maintenance and gas costs. But on the other hand, people have a nasty habit of ignoring those costs which is a large part of why Uber and Lyft managed to get as far as they have today. And things like this https://twitter.com/carljackmiller/status/1195671991661019136
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How are u posted:What field do you work in that this is a thing? How could you possibly believe this is common? It is super common in tech. I do contract software development, I've literally never held a regular W-2 development position, I maintain almost no social media presence, and I still get contacted by recruiters constantly. Oneiros is right that a lot of companies strongly favor outbound recruiting methods and it's not uncommon even for mid-tier or local companies. My personal opinion is that this is hilariously dumb and not only does it lead to major biases in recruitment, it doesn't even give you good candidates.
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Nov 17, 2019 08:05
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It's definitely a "the rich get richer" kind of situation. The people who least really need recruiters spamming them with job opportunities are the ones getting exactly that.
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Nov 17, 2019 10:20
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Making job applications pointless is a feature, not a bug. They can either recruit candidates they like or just say the nepotism pick is obviously the best qualified.
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Nov 17, 2019 11:12
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The Glumslinger posted:And things like this isn't Uber basically an accidentally socialist company? Since they are still losing billions every quarter, they are redistributing money from venture capitalists and stockholders to their employees and drivers. Every time you book an uber ride, an investor loses money.
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Nov 17, 2019 15:59
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BabyFur Denny posted:isn't Uber basically an accidentally socialist company? Since they are still losing billions every quarter, they are redistributing money from venture capitalists and stockholders to their employees and drivers. Every time you book an uber ride, an investor loses money. Unfortunately it's failed state communism where the elites hoard all the wealth and the workers still get jack poo poo.
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Nov 17, 2019 16:16
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the way I see it is that users are living in a subsided service golden era while workers are being ground into dust, and this probably won't last for another 10 years
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Nov 17, 2019 18:17
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nerdz posted:the way I see it is that users are living in a subsided service golden era while workers are being ground into dust, and this probably won't last for another 10 years It's kind of like those terrible unemployment programs where instead of giving you money while helping you look for work you're required to work sub-minimum wages, except it's funded by VC's rather than tax revenue.
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Nov 17, 2019 18:19
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How are u posted:What field do you work in that this is a thing? How could you possibly believe this is common? I'm a sysadmin (and at a tiny company) and get them fairly regularly. They meant it in a tech context.
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Nov 18, 2019 00:09
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Don Gato posted:Around 2001-ish, I lived in a town home near Chula Vista where the local housing association banned kids from riding bikes after a bunch of old people complained about it, and after that I couldn't ride my bike to school for very obvious reasons. I feel like this isn't a unique experience. Were they afraid you were gonna try to ram your bike into the school to blow it up?
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ryonguy posted:Unfortunately it's failed state communism where the elites hoard all the wealth and the workers still get jack poo poo. Magic Leap seems better in terms of being VC socialism, since computer touchers probably demand real salaries.
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BabyFur Denny posted:isn't Uber basically an accidentally socialist company? Since they are still losing billions every quarter, they are redistributing money from venture capitalists and stockholders to their employees and drivers. Every time you book an uber ride, an investor loses money. This got posted earlier in the thread, and despite the lovely title, it's a good breakdown. https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/10/say-goodbye-millennial-urban-lifestyle/599839/ We've had a few years where a lot of people in cities and bigger suburbs were able to have some middle class (maybe upper middle class/lower upper class) luxuries subsidized. Chauffeurs, personal assistants, handymen, shoppers, etc. All cheap and generally available quickly. And places like Uber somewhat poorly filled in a few gaps in places where mass transit and taxis legitimately sucked. On the bright side, some are MoviePass style chances to legally steal from VC. But a lot are built from a mix of VC money and grinding workers to paste. Plus there's something to be said that it's propping up part of the middle class with what's basically inefficient socialism, but wrapping it up such that a depressing number of people think it's all just business genius and we can't possibly tax these people more. That's how you get the weird billionaire/Silicon Valley/tech worship. And the worst part is that it will eventually crash to the ground, one way or another, but we don't know how it will shake out. There are way too many people who are furious at states trying to rein this bullshit in. So if Uber goes under from labor regulation be ready for that to take root. There's a company that I write for that had several bootlickers in the forums freaking out over California's new independent contractor law, despite the site not announcing any changes and despite the fact that the writing company probably falls under the exceptions anyway (since we really are freelancers for the most part). Parakeet vs. Phone fucked around with this message at 01:29 on Nov 18, 2019 |
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Nov 18, 2019 01:13
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nerdz posted:the way I see it is that users are living in a subsided service golden era while workers are being ground into dust, and this probably won't last for another 10 years A lot of the Uber driver force is driving for Uber because they're no longer working at JCPenny or something like that, so, into what will they transition as every possible low-skill job market retracts further? Can't wait to see what tech we come up with to shake it up next?
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Nov 18, 2019 01:31
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How are u posted:What field do you work in that this is a thing? How could you possibly believe this is common? Tech job hunting and job hiring is a nightmare. They get constantly bombarded with applications. Tech recruiters are significantly worse than used car salesmen and if they get wind that you have any tech skills at all they will never, ever leave you alone. Meanwhile everybody is hiring tech professionals but if you're currently unemployed they just automatically assume there must be a reason for it and won't hire you. Literally nobody knows how to tell if a person is a good programmer or not without actually putting them on the job for a few weeks or a few months but "contract to hire" turns away a lot of good candidates and even that is expensive. Even lovely programmers aren't exactly cheap but it can take over a year of the lovely programmer to out himself as lovely. Then you have to pay a possibly less lovely and definitely more expensive programmer to come in and fix the mess. Meanwhile all code is terrible anyway and sometimes some random thing happens that breaks half of the internet or exposes a decade old vulnerability that affects 90% of programs that currently exist. ... Yes, I'm a software developer and have lost my mind because of it, why do you ask?
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Nov 18, 2019 01:39
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ToxicSlurpee posted:Tech job hunting and job hiring is a nightmare. They get constantly bombarded with applications. Tech recruiters are significantly worse than used car salesmen and if they get wind that you have any tech skills at all they will never, ever leave you alone. Meanwhile everybody is hiring tech professionals but if you're currently unemployed they just automatically assume there must be a reason for it and won't hire you. Literally nobody knows how to tell if a person is a good programmer or not without actually putting them on the job for a few weeks or a few months but "contract to hire" turns away a lot of good candidates and even that is expensive. Tech recruiters are the reason my personal phone number is now entirely unusable as an incoming voice line. ToxicSlurpee posted:Literally nobody knows how to tell if a person is a good programmer or not without actually putting them on the job for a few weeks or a few months but "contract to hire" turns away a lot of good candidates and even that is expensive. Ha... a 30-60-minute in person or video interview with a 2-3 person tech team that does the sort of work the person is being hired to do usually works. It's the step prior to this where you have 1000s of resumes and need to narrow it down where there don't seem to be any great solutions out there. Most jobs I've worked, the best hires come from personal networks of engineers and hiring managers who are still individual contributors... but that doesn't scale well and trends towards bias, as others have noted. I think in a perfect world I'd dedicate engineering time & budget to manually sorting through resumes _before_ the HR filter, but I've never seen this happen in the wild. speng31b fucked around with this message at 01:58 on Nov 18, 2019 |
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Nov 18, 2019 01:55
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speng31b posted:I think in a perfect world I'd dedicate engineering time & budget to manually sorting through resumes _before_ the HR filter, but I've never seen this happen in the wild. When I was a manager, that's exactly what I and other engineering managers in the org did. We did resume screening and first phone call, handing off to individual engineers for tech screen. Our recruiters would talk to them on the phone prior to off-site. Basically hiring was part of our job and our responsibility, and HR/recruiting team was there to facilitate the process. At no point were they making hire/no hire decisions.
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Nov 18, 2019 02:12
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Steve French posted:When I was a manager, that's exactly what I and other engineering managers in the org did. We did resume screening and first phone call, handing off to individual engineers for tech screen. Our recruiters would talk to them on the phone prior to off-site. Yeah... to clarify, I did this at startups, too, with a total engineering team size of 20-50. But at larger enterprises where you're getting massive resume volume, I've never seen anyone try this with much success...
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speng31b posted:Yeah... to clarify, I did this at startups, too, with a total engineering team size of 20-50. But at larger enterprises where you're getting massive resume volume, I've never seen anyone try this with much success... Gotcha. For context, we're about 200 with a bit more than a third of that engineering
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Nov 18, 2019 02:21
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speng31b posted:Tech recruiters are the reason my personal phone number is now entirely unusable as an incoming voice line. It gets worse than just that as you rise up the ranks and have any super minor personal notoriety at all, like from speaking at conferences. I am spammed with LinkedIn, email and often phone calls from companies that want me for one or two hour engagements to speak to their clients as an expert on <x> topic that I am only tangentially related to. The latest one to harass me was this this shitbird: https://glg.it/ quote:Hi <Motronic>, I'm a telecom network engineer. This was only their first contact on linkedin. They found two email addresses (work and personal) and then called me on my office line (published in internet infrastructure records, so no surprise) and then on my personal cell phone. I answered the personal cell and told the girl "this isn't a significant enough engagement to be worth my time or attention" and got an "oh, sorry". Waiting to see what callbacks I get tomorrow! (it will happen, but from a more senior person in that company) Motronic fucked around with this message at 02:26 on Nov 18, 2019 |
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Nov 18, 2019 02:23
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This recruiting talk is reminding me of the Contracts saga. https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3811789&userid=105896
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Nov 18, 2019 02:31
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I've let friends/former coworkers list me as a reference before. If I actually get the call, it's usually that we spend 90 seconds on the reference verification part, and five minutes of me trying to politely get off the phone while the recruiter tries to use "come work with your friend" to sell me on openings at the company.
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Nov 18, 2019 03:21
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Another issue with the tech job market is that the people most desperate for high-level talent are the least attractive for that talent. If you're Microsoft or Google or a similar company, you have enough talent already with you that you can afford to roll the dice with pretty much whoever you want -- you might discover a diamond in the rough, a polished turd, or something in between, and those folks are probably going to seek you out. If your software development group is already a complete shitshow replete with morons, you need someone with the talent to organize a team and turn poo poo around, but no one wants to work in that environment, so there's no way out short of offering staggering compensation, and then you're likely to get someone with a broken personality who values that extra bit of money and/or power compared to a good working environment. I had a friend try to recruit me after telling me his developers are morons and everything's dysfunctional. Why would I ever take that job? That's like the guy at your dinner table that says "hey, this tastes fuckin' awful! Want to try a bite?"
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NYC-only rideshare companies Juno and Gett bit the dust. Significant: NYC passed a law banning "deadheading", limiting the amount of time a ridesharing driver can drive around passengerless looking for a pickup.
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Arsenic Lupin posted:NYC-only rideshare companies Juno and Gett bit the dust. Significant: NYC passed a law banning "deadheading", limiting the amount of time a ridesharing driver can drive around passengerless looking for a pickup. how can they really enforce this?
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:how can they really enforce this? The various ridesharing apps collect the necessary data. A driver uber app knows if its open and looking for customers or on a ride. Uber and Lyft have tried to convince their drivers to just not activate the app while they're driving to an area they think will be more populated to try and game the statistic but it's obviously not really in drivers' interest to pass up the chance to get a ride along the way.
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evilweasel posted:The various ridesharing apps collect the necessary data. A driver uber app knows if its open and looking for customers or on a ride. Uber and Lyft have tried to convince their drivers to just not activate the app while they're driving to an area they think will be more populated to try and game the statistic but it's obviously not really in drivers' interest to pass up the chance to get a ride along the way. “I was driving around on my own errands with the app open to give a stranger a lift should I come across one.” Isn’t that the (naďve) original pitch behind “ride sharing”?
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Platystemon posted:“I was driving around on my own errands with the app open to give a stranger a lift should I come across one.”
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Platystemon posted:“I was driving around on my own errands with the app open to give a stranger a lift should I come across one.” nyc requires rideshare drivers to have black car licences, and doesn't permit "random guy with app and car" to drive for uber uber squealed like a stuck pig over that one but lost a long time ago (edit: a "black car" licence is like a taxi licence but you can't pick up passengers off the street - you need to have had the ride arranged through a dispatcher. uber takes the place of the random guy you'd call to schedule a car to pick you up, so that uber actually fits into NYC's licencing regimen) evilweasel fucked around with this message at 00:37 on Nov 19, 2019 |
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Platystemon posted:“I was driving around on my own errands with the app open to give a stranger a lift should I come across one.” Basically yes. It was also how they justified it legally. Originally they said "well you know people going to some place are just accepting a few dollars to take somebody else with them. I mean people do it for their friends all the time and it's legal, right?" Then they shoved a crowbar in that loophole and opened it as far as they good. Fantastic that they're getting push back. AirBNB did something similar; it was like hey you can legally let somebody you know stay in a spare room for a few dollars so that means we can all just be hotels, right?
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To be fair, there is a reasonable use case for just taking people near where you'd be going anyway. My buddy works near the airport, he drives for Uber during his commute because it's always easy to find someone going to/from the airport, and that's not really a horrendously ruinous idea (he also has a commercial license and worked as a sedan driver for an actual car service for a while). Same with AirBnB, in theory. The problem is that level of service can't really sustain a huge, ever-expanding business, so of course it ends up in dodgy bullshit. It's never enough to just come up with a decent idea and let it make a bit of money and help people out, so we end up with this horrible bullshit.
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https://twitter.com/RyanNegri/status/1196471336182304775 loving lol
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26% liquidation is not a flight. May a step towards repositioning portfolio. But not flight
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The "pipeline" aka the toilet
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well atleast it didnt go back in with his hand. edit: da gently caress is lemonade and 1)why doesnt it have the techbro spelling 2) are techbros just using common search terms hoping for SEO bullshit will make their stock number go up? PhazonLink fucked around with this message at 22:09 on Nov 19, 2019 |
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PT6A posted:Same with AirBnB, in theory. In practice it became "Let me use this rental property as a flop house" so suddenly the neighbors are dealing with people playing music and puking in their bushes from Friday through Sunday. Or even better, the people that rent an apartment and AirBnB it so there's a revolving door of guests that give no fucks to the neighbors.
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FilthyImp posted:If it was like "I'm renting my spare room out during ComicCon!" then maybe. Because then the owner has to put up with the guest. Well, exactly. That was the original concept, before it turned into "what if hotels, but with no laws?"
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PT6A posted:Well, exactly. That was the original concept, before it turned into "what if hotels, but with no laws?" And even if done "legally", just straight up unethical as hell because  quote:"There’s an arbitrage opportunity between long- and short-term rentals,” Chen told TechCrunch in 2017. “We are closing the loop on the circle that Airbnb started by allowing homeowners to take advantage of higher rents.”
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