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radmonger posted:making a detectably bad argument leaves you worse off than staying quiet. First day on the internet is it? e: Council house snipe: Kelson Tower, a 28-storey early LPS building heavily influenced by Balfron Tower (although thanks to LPS it was actually completed first). On completion and until 1988 it was the tallest building in Tower Hamlets. It is now not even in the top 50 tallest. goddamnedtwisto fucked around with this message at 18:31 on Nov 18, 2019 |
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radmonger posted:Is this one of those things where ‘literally’ means ‘the exact opposite of’? Any comments on this one? Where he seems to simultaneously believe that quote:But we must hope, for the sake of candour and common sense, that he does not blame Britain, or colonialism, or the white man. The continent may be a blot, but it is not a blot upon our conscience. The problem is not that we were once in charge, but that we are not in charge any more. quote:And it is absurd, finally, to say that we have turned our backs on Africa. Donor countries provide 52 per cent of Uganda’s public spending, and Europeans and Americans supply a new imperial class of aidworkers, vigorous and exuberantly politically correct. quote:We may treat them like children, but it’s not because of us that they behave like the children in Lord of the Flies. Because I can't think of any way to read that in combination which doesn't blame the state of Africa on the 'inherent primal and savage nature' of the African.
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It's very anti-Semitic of you to call Boris Johnson a racist
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ro5s posted:What Tory voter is being put off by racism?! People who see the Tories as the sensible economics and traditions party. It's a perception that the party has ridden for a long time as it has descended further into turbocapitalism. It's complete bollocks, but it's widely-repeated bollocks. The stuff about attributing things that happened in the 70s under the Conservatives to Labour is part of maintaining that reputation. There are a lot of Tory voters who absolutely can't stand Boris Johnson. The more horrible poo poo they hear about him and other Tories, the less likely they are to actually go out and vote. People mostly don't jump directly from voting Tory to Labour or vice versa - one of the most powerful strategies for winning elections is to encourage your voters to turn out and discourage opposing voters. That's why the establishment is trying its hardest to make potential Labour voters feel hopeless Basically the Tory Party is a big tent, but they're abandoning all of their supporters apart from the racist clowns. Everyone else who usually votes Tory is having a crisis of conscience because the bigotry and corruption are becoming more and more explicit
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drat if only there was some long history of him very openly using racial terms dismissively and perhaps even editing a magazine that published an actual loving Nazi.
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I'm perhaps too skeptical of twitter - on the internet everyone is a sockpuppet - but the easy answer there is that the screenshot is a fakeRatjaculation posted:Hello thread! Across the 1960s, pits were being closed, not opened. Demand for coal was falling rapidly. The industry had been gradually being hammered by the invasion of cheap oil, and the NCB was steadily closing pits; opposing these closures was a key demand for the NUM. The 1950 Plan for Coal had overestimated coal demand dramatically and there was a considerable surplus built up. The main thing that was eating into miner's conditions was inflation eroding real wages. Inflation was higher than the pay increases. The big clash was in 1972, not in 1974. That clash was underpinned by a tactical evolution more than anything else - the NUM realized that it could picket the movement of coal from stockpiles to power stations. Even though the NCB initially had sufficient surplus coal in stock, it could not transport it to the CEGB's power stations successfully. This was a relatively novel tactic to public opinion and policing strategies. The government at the time was not willing to force the passage of lorries; many stations were in populated areas (the Saltley Gate protest This limitation was what drove the three-day week, which was a more of a stunt than a serious constraint upon electricity generation; it was gambit intended to impress upon the British public that the crisis was being driven by the miners (Tony Benn denounced it as a "calculated deception" intended to turn the public against the miners. Which it was! He wasn't wrong on that point - household electricity was just not a sufficiently big consumer of power. The main reason to impact households and non-industrial offices was to force the costs to be widely felt). The miners called the bluff and held out until February. Heath relented and agreed to the NUM's wage demands. This appearance of weakness did not help the Conservatives or for that matter Labour - the Liberals made large gains in 1973 in local and by-elections, somewhat mitigating their 1970 losses (from 12 to 6 and back to 11 by end 1973). Several other things happened in 1973. The stock market crashed in early 1973 - the FTSE went down by 70% - and growth stalled. After growth in 1972, despite record industrial action, stagflation was setting in. Mick McGahey succeeded Joe Gormley as leader of the NUM; McGahey was much more leftist and much more political, and pledged to bring in a Labour government. The NUM NEC balloted members to strike again in 1973 and was defeated in a landslide. And a coalition of Arab nations invaded Israel on Yom Kippur, sparking off many interesting events such as e.g. a fivefold increase in oil prices. The UK began distributing coupons for petrol rationing and reduced the speed limit to 50mph. At the end of 1973 - before any strike action had even taken place - Heath re-declared a state of emergency and the three-day week. This was not unreasonable; surveys suggested that if the NUM reballoted members on this year's wage demand, it would succeed. In January 1974, it did and won as expected. Strikes started on 5th February but were largely symbolic - in contrast to Gormley's strategy, McGahey pursued a strategy of studiously avoiding violence which was thought to be unpopular in the wake of 1972 and would certainly not be welcome in time of perceived national instability and cabinet ministers on television solemnly asking the people of Britain to brush their teeth in the dark. Pickets were limited to six men per picket line and no more. Nonetheless, Heath went ahead with the election two days later. His administration was already four years old, the 1973 recession was unlikely to improve much before the five-year mark, and Labour's internal struggle at the time could not last forever (the left was at this time in its ascendancy, in particular Tony Benn - it had not yet ousted the center-right, who continued to dominate Wilson's cabinet). Memos from his private secretary Douglas Hurd nonetheless emphasized the need to find a good reason for an early election and highlighted the thread that the 1972-style narrative could play in early 1974. An electoral confrontation could undo the perceived surrender to union demands in 1972, which polling suggested that a majority of the public disapproved in retrospect. Heath ran on "Who governs Britain?", as expected. Unexpectedly, Labour won a plurality of seats. The Conservatives still had the most votes but too many were wasted. Several points of note: - the 1970 election had wrongfooted many pollsters - many had forecasted a Labour majority. Many adjusted their approaches in response and had now forecasted a Conservative majority. - the Sunningdale agreement had infuriated unionists, who would go on to support Wilson's government - Enoch Powell (!) endorsed Labour in furious to opposition to the UK's membership of the European Community. Powell was at the peak of his post-sacking notoriety and influence at that point - a report was leaked from the Pay Board suggesting that Heath's government had limited the NCB to making offers below what was recommended by the Pay Board. This was not a quite a fair interpretation (rather the Pay Board was evolving the basis upon which it was making recommendations and the government disagreed). Nonetheless it undermined the entire supposed rationale of the election, i.e., the supposedly unreasonable demands of miners. Instead it looked as if Heath had put the country through a cold winter as an electoral stunt. In the meanwhile, the miners were being conspicuously non-violent. - since you mention it... the Liberals gained massively to 20% of the popular vote. In general 'the 1970s' refers more to the perceived malaise afflicting Callaghan's government, not Heath or Wilson's brief second admin - the 1976 IMF bailout and austerity, being picked off by by-elections and hence having to agree to the Lib-Lab pact, going back on it, and then enduring the political instability of minority government, the strikes in 1978/1979, etc. You don't need to feel obliged to defend Callaghan - for a long time the left regarded Callaghan with a degree of fervor akin to how it might regard Blair today. ronya fucked around with this message at 19:24 on Nov 18, 2019 |
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Happy 32nd anniversary of the King's Cross fire.
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https://twitter.com/MichaelH14/status/1196431553993355264
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Labour can't beat the Tories in any seat! Only the Lib Dems can win here, there and everywhere!!!
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Man declared fit for work and then died in a job centre waiting for JSA. https://twitter.com/REWearmouth/status/1196485676591697921 65 years old.
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Guavanaut posted:
You appear to be arguing with someone who thinks is Boris Johnson is not racist, rather that someone who thinks he once managed to say something for which the worst thing you can accurately say about it is that it is wrong about carrot genetics. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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radmonger posted:You appear to be arguing with someone who thinks is Boris Johnson is not racist, rather that someone who thinks he once managed to say something for which the worst thing you can accurately say about it is that it is wrong about carrot genetics. I'd quit now, pal.
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radmonger posted:You appear to be arguing with someone who thinks is Boris Johnson is not racist, rather that someone who thinks he once managed to say something for which the worst thing you can accurately say about it is that it is wrong about carrot genetics. "Look, I know he was walking around with calipres and making insane nonsensical statements, but maybe he's just eccentric, and not a phrenologist"
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radmonger posted:You appear to be arguing with someone who thinks is Boris Johnson is not racist, rather that someone who thinks he once managed to say something for which the worst thing you can accurately say about it is that it is wrong about carrot genetics. Doubling down on this is certainly an interesting tactic that I did not expect.
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ronya posted:The government at the time was not willing to force the passage of lorries; many stations were in populated areas (the Saltley Gate protest, in which a picketing miner was run over by a lorry, is in the middle of Birmingham, not out in the coal region somewhere) I feel bad for doing this in response to a genuinely interesting and informative post, and I think your point still stands, but in wanting to read more about this I went to Wikipedia which claims that Fred Matthews was actually killed outside Keadby Power Plant near Scunthorpe.
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Scikar posted:I feel bad for doing this in response to a genuinely interesting and informative post, and I think your point still stands, but in wanting to read more about this I went to Wikipedia which claims that Fred Matthews was actually killed outside Keadby Power Plant near Scunthorpe. You are right... the ignited brawl was at Saltley Gate but the trigger of Fred Matthew's death was somewhere else, I have confused them together
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radmonger posted:making a detectably bad argument leaves you worse off than staying quiet. And yet you keep posting
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radmonger posted:You appear to be arguing with someone who thinks is Boris Johnson is not racist, rather that someone who thinks he once managed to say something for which the worst thing you can accurately say about it is that it is wrong about carrot genetics.
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so the latest bmg poll (11-18) that everyone's been touting about an 8pt lead to the tories? let's go into the BMG's own figures with 0 changes and see where that comes from Fieldwork dates: 12th - 15th Novemeber 2019 Sample: 1506 GB adults aged 18+ Data Collection Method: Fieldwork was conducted online. Invitations to participate were sent to members of online panels. Non-response from different demographic groups was taken into account during the fieldwork phase and post-fieldwork adjustments. # of samples on age group and the initial weights (this is useful to see if they're oversampling demos or asking 2 18-24s who happen to be tories and scaling it to 200 for that demo, etc) code:
first off is their usual question selection: 1 If a General Election were held today, which of the following parties would you vote for? 2 And which of the following parties are you leaning towards most? then they do some weightings: 3 If a General Election were held today, which of the following parties would you vote for? (inc. Squeeze) 4 If a General Election were held today, which of the following parties would you vote for? (inc. Squeeze and VALID) but then this section appears which is new 5 If a General Election were held today, which of the following parties would you vote for? (inc. Squeeze) by INDY 6 If a General Election were held today, which of the following parties would you vote for? (inc. Squeeze and VALID) by INDY now spoilers on comparing 3 & 5 and 4 & 6 remember this was the headliner 8pt lead... 3 If a General Election were held today, which of the following parties would you vote for? (inc. Squeeze) Con 32% Lab 28% Lib 15% 5 If a General Election were held today, which of the following parties would you vote for? (inc. Squeeze) by INDY Con 33% Lab 27% Lib 15% And the valid weights? 4 If a General Election were held today, which of the following parties would you vote for? (inc. Squeeze and VALID) Con 35% Lab 31% Lib 16% 6 If a General Election were held today, which of the following parties would you vote for? (inc. Squeeze and VALID) by INDY Con 37% Lab 29% Lib 16% and let's do a comparison on the unweighted/weighted base to see how they're adjusting it on their sides... code:
and a noteworthy part of their methodology sheet: quote:Electoral Registration Adjustment: Factors have been applied to the Westminster Vote figures using to account rates of electoral registration among key groups. Factors were derived from a survey question that asked respondents whether or not they are registered to vote. The results were then segmented by age and tenure (two variables that were identified by the Electoral Commission report “Accuracy & Completeness of Electoral Registers 2016” as key discriminators of registration completeness). now let's look at survation who had this headline going: https://www.survation.com/survation-on-behalf-of-good-morning-britain-general-election-tracker-poll-week-1/ quote:Sample size: 1010 Labour: 28% Liberal Democrat: 13% The Brexit Party: 5% Green: 3% Another party (inc Plaid Cymru and SNP): 9% 14pt lead! that's remarkable, let's look into their raw data and see what we can interpret Q2. Now thinking about your own constituency and the candidates likely to stand, if the General Election were tomorrow, which party would you vote for? code:
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now i'd dig into their weightings in detail now but on further look it just pronounces the original margin of errors, so a quick runthrough: Q2. Now thinking about your own constituency and the candidates likely to stand, if the General Election were tomorrow, which party would you vote for? Q2. Normal weightings Con: 32.1% Lab: 21.5% Lib: 9.9% Undecided: 18.8% lab/con ratio: 66.9% Q2. Normal weightings & likelihood to vote Con: 33.1% Lab: 21.9% Lib: 10.4% Undecided: 16.9% lab/con ratio: 66.1% Q2. Normal weightings & likelihood to vote, with undecided and refused removed Con: 42.1% Lab: 27.8% Lib: 13.2% lab/con ratio: 66.0% so it's the same ratio as the original weightings but exaggerated by adding in more cutoffs to make the gap look bigger enough for now anyway
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This one's better:
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Bundy posted:This one's better: Neolibs Without Aptitude
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Guavanaut posted:
Straight Outta Commons.
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Wiggly Wayne DDS posted:words Just tell me if the polls are closer than reported!!
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No Welfare Allowed
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Tesseraction posted:Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhh the R/L convergence doesn't work this way you racist loving oval office. Ascribing this Japanese speech feature to a Chinese woman is astoundingly racist on the level of 'they all look the same to me. And as my wife just pointed out, rugs are oriental, people aren't. If you're not sure, the correct way of handling it is to say Asian, or specifically East Asian if you're trying to distinguish from India / Pakistan / Kashmir asians (West Asians). Even then, you don't loving fetishise their race or imply they were only employed as eye candy for first class passengers. * This is why Kojima's naming of the La Le Lu Li Lo is a great bilingual joke that nobody ever gets. no its the bins
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Having a court order that you're not important enough to be in an ITV TV debate is just the most Jo Swinson thing.
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Mr Phillby posted:Having a court order that you're not important enough to be in an ITV TV debate is just the most Jo Swinson thing. That court is misogynist! They blocked Nicola Sturgeon as well! Not that she should be in the debate, but I should! I was a little hesitant to post this because I'm well aware that bad-faith mockery of feminism is a widespread thing, so I want to clarify that that definitely wasn't my intention. I wrote this specifically because Jo Swinson called the initial decision not to include her in the debate misogynistic. She was the one using the argument in bad faith, because she does everything in bad faith. Personally, I think feminism is awesome and extremely important for the pursuit of a better, more equal society for all. Chuds should shut the gently caress up with their lazy, tired jokes strawmanning feminism in pathetically predictable ways. And also a huge 'gently caress you' to them for making me feel I have to write this disclaimer that is much longer than the original joke. Bigots ruin everything. I hope this was okay
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Mr Phillby posted:Having a court order that you're not important enough to be in an ITV TV debate is just the most Jo Swinson thing. "I want to speak to the Judge manager!" <>
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It was pretty lolworthy for her to say "It's misogynistic to exclude the woman leading the third largest party from the debate. No, not her."
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e: ^^ yeah this is it entirely lmao BTW Guavanaut you've prompted some proper lols out of me lately, appreciate your posting brand Braggart posted:That court is misogynist! They blocked Nicola Sturgeon as well! Not that she should be in the debate, but I should! Relax comrade we all know Swinson is a shite that yelled misogyny over the debate when it had nothing to do with it. So long as you put some thought into what you say when dealing with such subject matter, just post. As someone that's been guilty of galactic takes in the past, most folks here are good at correcting without slinging you into a vat of oil.
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clearly this election is the opportunity to reëvaluate boris johnson's good opinion haver status
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Bundy posted:Relax comrade we all know Swinson is a shite that yelled misogyny over the debate when it had nothing to do with it. So long as you put some thought into what you say when dealing with such subject matter, just post. As someone that's been guilty of galactic takes in the past, most folks here are good at correcting without slinging you into a vat of oil. Cheers, but I think it was worth posting the disclaimer regardless of whether anyone would've tried to call out the joke. Anti-feminist 'comedy' is so widespread and is just assumed to be the default, that I think the responsible thing is to speak out against it when I write something that could be interpreted that way otherwise All of my favourite childhood shows that lasted for a long time seem to have at least one LOL feminism episode written by chuds. It's feckin irritating
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Swinson isn't even the creator of this nonsense. Harman has been trying to make centrist melting a feminist issue since 2015, along with Kendall and joined by jessflips. I hope Corbyn is succeeded by someone like Rayner just to crush this pathetic idea.
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https://twitter.com/jimwaterson/status/1196466474019364865 Lmao. "those charts are misleading in a sense of reinforcing the view that media somewhat controls how people think about parties. At best they reflect and reinforce existing views." E: Obligatory Satanic Summoning Ritual RockyB fucked around with this message at 20:52 on Nov 18, 2019 |
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Lib Dems winning here.
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Thanks to whoever recommended The Constant. I'm feeling low and lazy today, and it's a great comfort. Cheery, interesting, varied, it's great. Favourite so far is the terrifying mystery of the epidemic of Windshield Pitting in 1950s seattle.
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I don't really give a gently caress about Swinson but if we're gonna commit to leaders debates as a fixture of election TV we should ape the Canadians with an independent commission with clear established qualifier conditions for participants as the current haphazard system seems prone to some rather aribitrary rules no one can quite explain.
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The ITV debate is for the two main parties, which is a legitimate decision in our FPTP system
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Braggart posted:Cheers, but I think it was worth posting the disclaimer regardless of whether anyone would've tried to call out the joke. Anti-feminist 'comedy' is so widespread and is just assumed to be the default, that I think the responsible thing is to speak out against it when I write something that could be interpreted that way otherwise Azza Bamboo posted:Swinson isn't even the creator of this nonsense. Harman has been trying to make centrist melting a feminist issue since 2015, along with Kendall and joined by jessflips. And the people trying are textbook examples of White Feminism (it's bad) when Diane Abbott is Shadow Home Secretary. (This is zero part of my preferring RLB over Rayner, because I didn't even know it until today, but "Rayner left secondary school aged 16 whilst pregnant and without any recognised qualifications." is going to lead to some loving charming lines of attack in the press, I can feel it. In fact it might be a point in her favor, because people with lived experience of that don't get enough representation in Parliament, and she's done good work in the Education post. She might do better work continuing in Education or Families and Children and have a leftier leader.) Bundy posted:BTW Guavanaut you've prompted some proper lols out of me lately, appreciate your posting brand
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