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Plutonis
Mar 25, 2011

https://twitter.com/WASBAPPIN/status/1195604703079329793?s=20

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Victory Position
Mar 16, 2004


this isn't the Imp Zone, but folks have to have credentials to post there, so have this

Plutonis
Mar 25, 2011

Victory Position posted:

this isn't the Imp Zone, but folks have to have credentials to post there, so have this



Lol gently caress i was going to post that on the hot take thread

Lightning Knight
Feb 24, 2012

Pray for Answer

I refuse to believe this is a real person and not an elaborate parody because the alternative is too frightening.

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
the thing with the tsarist secret police is that different factions of the ruling class were using the secret police to use radicals to off rival nobles and officials. aristocratic rivalries are intense!

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

the thing with the tsarist secret police is that different factions of the ruling class were using the secret police to use radicals to off rival nobles and officials. aristocratic rivalries are intense!

when do the lithium capitalists and oil capitalists start killing each other

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
the cool thing about all the secret police infiltrators are how many ended up becoming double agents as the tsarist regime slowly collapsed. maybe not the best idea to have your most loyal cops hang out with radicals who are completely right about why everything sucks

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

hahahaha https://twitter.com/yalndei/status/1195812453294194688

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
is it wrong that i kind of hope the hong kong thing just goes away. anything that both flavors of American liberal can contort themselves into saying is good fills me with dread

Serf
May 5, 2011


Larry Parrish posted:

is it wrong that i kind of hope the hong kong thing just goes away. anything that both flavors of American liberal can contort themselves into saying is good fills me with dread

what's really funny is that i see people talking about hk, but if you mention chile, bolivia, venezuela etc you just get these dead-eyed stares in return

Enjoy
Apr 18, 2009

Serf posted:

what's really funny is that i see people talking about hk, but if you mention chile, bolivia, venezuela etc you just get these dead-eyed stares in return

yemen is still starving to death under saudi aggression

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

Enjoy posted:

yemen is still starving to death under saudi aggression

*Houthi oppression that our good friend and ally Mohammed bin Salman is benevolently attempting to rescue them from

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

The War of Houthi Aggression

Mandoric
Mar 15, 2003

As a bit of background, the JCP is hardline pro-self-determination to the point of praising the breakup of the Soviet Union at the time, presumably as a result of its history; since legalization after the war its core demand has been US troops out, and even prewar as an underground organization it had arm's-length-at-best relations with Comintern (Katayama rising as a leader primarily after his exile, Yamakawa who held most sway in the early years being essentially a socdem unwilling to even commit to republicanism, and left-ML Fukumoto who reorganized the party in the early years of Showa just after universal male suffrage and before the Depression being denied international support as a suspected Trot.)

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

Gonna be a load of statues of MbS all over Yemen after KSA finally eats poo poo.

Prince Myshkin
Jun 17, 2018

Mandoric posted:

As a bit of background, the JCP is hardline pro-self-determination to the point of praising the breakup of the Soviet Union at the time, presumably as a result of its history; since legalization after the war its core demand has been US troops out, and even prewar as an underground organization it had arm's-length-at-best relations with Comintern (Katayama rising as a leader primarily after his exile, Yamakawa who held most sway in the early years being essentially a socdem unwilling to even commit to republicanism, and left-ML Fukumoto who reorganized the party in the early years of Showa just after universal male suffrage and before the Depression being denied international support as a suspected Trot.)

The JCP isn't Eurocommunist but it does take a line that ends up being similar to Eurocommunism. As a result, no one should be surprised by their stance, least of all a Marxist-Leninist party.

GunnerJ
Aug 1, 2005

Do you think this is funny?
What's Eurocommunism, what characterizes it

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
Eurocommunism is when you play with meeples and no dice.

THS
Sep 15, 2017

eurocommunism is communism except bad

Mandoric
Mar 15, 2003

GunnerJ posted:

What's Eurocommunism, what characterizes it

What do we want? Revolution as a complex series of changes to taxation and employment law! When do we want it? Gradually, in bits and pieces, following electoral success!

Socdems, but with a picture of the world after their electoral dominance that involves somewhat more co-ops and nationalization.

e: Which makes it, of course, naturally appealing in places with living memory of things naturally getting better all the time. Places like, well, pre-austerity Europe or late Showa Japan.

Mandoric fucked around with this message at 16:27 on Nov 18, 2019

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

It's a well meaning movement that lacks the fire in its belly to properly succeed.

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

Which I can relate to, on a personal level.

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

gradenko_2000 posted:

Eurocommunism is when you play with meeples and no dice.

War Communism is already a thing and America is trash

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

You must stay drunk on writing so reality cannot destroy you.

GunnerJ posted:

What's Eurocommunism, what characterizes it

Social democracy

Karl Barks
Jan 21, 1981

eurocommunism isn't real, totally made up. someone just added a wiki page for it a couple years ago and boom, it became something we have to talk about

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

I invented Eurocommunism for a bet

CAPS LOCK BROKEN
Feb 1, 2006

by Fluffdaddy

GunnerJ posted:

What's Eurocommunism, what characterizes it

ask the cia, they astroturfed it (along with the DSA)

Prince Myshkin
Jun 17, 2018
The pants-on-head stupidity of the PCF during '68 should have turned everyone off to the idea forever, but still people hold to that line.

Please do not own me by changing the previous sentence to be about some other communist party.

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

Tesseraction posted:

I invented Eurocommunism for a bet

CAPS LOCK BROKEN posted:

ask the cia, they astroturfed it (along with the DSA)

poo poo *flees from the thread with a bunch of cocaine money*

Alfred Shitcock
Jul 2, 2007

The fun is over, start digging,dreaming is over, run inside

Karl Barks posted:

eurocommunism isn't real, totally made up. someone just added a wiki page for it a couple years ago and boom, it became something we have to talk about

dunno I remember being a kid in the 90s in Spain and my dad called Eurocommunist a scam.

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
yea when I think of europe and communism definetly a bunch of conservative ex trots is what springs to mind and not, you know, the Soviet union and its allies

Bryter
Nov 6, 2011

but since we are small we may-
uh, we may be the losers
Renaming Eurocommunism to Communism Paris could be a big boost to the brand imo

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

Bryter posted:

Renaming Eurocommunism to Communism Paris could be a big boost to the brand imo

lol

Venom Snake
Feb 19, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo
how is this any different from the people saying socialism is racist because the first philosophers were European

Venom Snake
Feb 19, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo
eurocommunism is communism but with a lot more techno music

Autism Sneaks
Nov 21, 2016
der fonkykommunismus

Peanut Butler
Jul 25, 2003



Sprockets

Venom Snake
Feb 19, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo
communism where Greece is still getting hosed over for some reason

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

You must stay drunk on writing so reality cannot destroy you.

Venom Snake posted:

how is this any different from the people saying socialism is racist because the first philosophers were European

???

Eurocommunism was a specific term created by it's (western European) proponents to distinguish themselves from ussr aligned parties. It has very little to do with whatever you're talking about

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Enjoy
Apr 18, 2009
communism will develop differently under different conditions. western countries have strong democratic traditions so parliamentary success makes more sense for them. china and russia were war ravaged dictatorships in the middle of civil wars when the bolsheviks and CCP took them over.

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