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Azza Bamboo posted:The ITV debate is for the two main parties, which is a legitimate decision in our FPTP system I mean third party complaints that presenting a binary debate serves to forward the campaign position of each of the largest parties that any given election is a binary choice between them has some weight (the LibDems being idiots didn't really argue this and spent most of today arguing that Remain deserves representation at the debates in the form of them). And no one can really explain the magic formula that gives us a 7 party debate later on
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# ? Nov 18, 2019 21:07 |
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Welp, channel 4 just did the Political slot with a Conservative TV advert. Had Dominic Cummings all over it. Borris walking around talking about Marmite and other poo poo (oh a minority!! Look I’m friends with him!!) My wife stoped paying attention when he made a cup of tea and left the teabag in, without stirring. After that she got into a right rage about his Tea. Mission accomplished Conservatives!
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# ? Nov 18, 2019 21:07 |
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Guavanaut posted:And the more 'adult' shows always had a "ha ha it's a man in a dress I bet he's a gay" 'joke'. Often with the defence that "well at least we're talking about it." Sure, in the same way that Roy Chubby Brown isn't afraid to talk about race. We're not laughing at you we're laughing towards you!
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# ? Nov 18, 2019 21:08 |
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Well this is an excellent article https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/nov/18/broadband-communism-founding-nhs quote:Decommodification – where something we need stops being delivered at the whim of the market and becomes a social entitlement – has always been politically controversial. For students of history (or simply those equipped with a search engine and time to spare), the hysteria greeting John McDonnell’s announcement was a familiar ditty. The launch of the National Health Service in 1948, one of the world’s foremost examples of something being decommodified in the interest of the social good, was met with nothing less than horror by those with vested interests in the private provision of medicine. Makes the same points as a lot of us since the broadband announcement. Just, as always, don't read the comments.
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# ? Nov 18, 2019 21:11 |
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Guavanaut posted:(This is zero part of my preferring RLB over Rayner, because I didn't even know it until today, but "Rayner left secondary school aged 16 whilst pregnant and without any recognised qualifications." is going to lead to some loving charming lines of attack in the press, I can feel it. In fact it might be a point in her favor, because people with lived experience of that don't get enough representation in Parliament, and she's done good work in the Education post. She might do better work continuing in Education or Families and Children and have a leftier leader.) Telegraph hacks are way ahead of you https://twitter.com/allisonpearson/status/1176043087103238149
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Lol @ leftists are actually hitler when hitler was barely cold.
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# ? Nov 18, 2019 21:14 |
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RockyB posted:Lmao. "those charts are misleading in a sense of reinforcing the view that media somewhat controls how people think about parties. At best they reflect and reinforce existing views." so shortly after i put up all of those on surveys the ICM one came out. i think this is a great time to talk about the age bands in a bit more detail and give an example of how certain polling companies choice completely changes the outcome of their polling so let's go with their headline results and i'll get started: https://www.icmunlimited.com/our-work/icm-voting-intentions-poll-general-election-2019-3/ ICM Voting Intentions Poll - General Election 2019 posted:Con 42% (+3) 1: 18-24 2: 25-34 3: 35-44 4: 45-54 5: 55-64 6: 65-74 7: 75+ and yes they try and get an equal amount of respondents per age band and that comically shifts their results. let's look at con and lib by their age bands unaltered: code:
luckily for us ICM includes a NET: 65+ where we can just grab the % of con/lab voters and apply it to the 65-74 category and only calc up to there to get a comparative poll to other organisations' methodologies: Net: 65+: 51% to con, 14% to lab code:
Con 39.33% Lab 35.02% 4pts isn't a good for the narrative, and if a pollster has a 75+ category they're really trying to lean on the scales before any explicit weights are applied so let's run that against the last poll and get their unaltered changes...: ICM Voting Intentions Poll - General Election 2019 posted:Con 39% (+2) Wiggly Wayne DDS fucked around with this message at 21:27 on Nov 18, 2019 |
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https://twitter.com/rickburin/status/1196494212809854978?s=19 Jesus loving Christ. https://twitter.com/OborneTweets/status/1196503151060410370?s=19
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dispatch_async posted:Telegraph hacks are way ahead of you Well that's what you get with a lifetime of Tory run education. I am annoyed I did not see that tweet at the time for this epic burn.
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OwlFancier posted:Lol @ leftists are actually hitler when hitler was barely cold. That said, the NHS also surreptitiously sterilized a bunch of women in the 50s and 60s, often during the process of them terminating a pregnancy, and the free market paradise of California at the time managed to find the funds to do a bit of eugenics. In conclusion, weaponizing the healthcare system for bad social goals is a land of cunts.
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# ? Nov 18, 2019 21:36 |
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RockyB posted:Well this is an excellent article It gets worse. If you combine socialised internet with socialised medicine then there will be a plague of dodgy dick pills, for how can socialism deliver a quality product on either front? I dread to think what additional hues mine would adopt!
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# ? Nov 18, 2019 21:41 |
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I've terrible memories of living in a wimpy "no-fines" cast in place Council house for a few years, every single one of them needs knocking down. Good posts goddamnedtwisto.
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# ? Nov 18, 2019 22:10 |
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Thought this tweet thread was a good way of arguing for universal benefits like Labour's free broadband policy: https://twitter.com/JWMason1/status/1196474118935384064
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# ? Nov 18, 2019 22:14 |
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I was looking up the debates and this one looks badquote:9 December: Emma Barnett will host a Question Time Under 30 special, focused on an audience made up of young voters. It will be broadcast from 20:30 hmm... the radio presenter who loves billionaires and Hillary Clinton, and a balanced audience handpicked by the question time production team, made up of 50% Tory boys, 30% protogammons and 20% Wes streeting clones, sign me up!
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# ? Nov 18, 2019 22:17 |
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General election: Labour abandons climate change plan for net-zero emissions by 2030 Decision follows opposition from GMB union, which claimed a rapid timeframe would put jobs in jeopardy i'd been saying relying on unions was risky for green stuff because their duty was prioritising jobs over other concerns, like, for example, the environment and carbon emissions it's probably wise to wait until the manifesto comes out to confirm, though
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ANYTHING YOU SOW posted:Thought this tweet thread was a good way of arguing for universal benefits like Labour's free broadband policy: Wonk class? Wonking class. Wanking class. Checks out Braggart fucked around with this message at 22:27 on Nov 18, 2019 |
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What are the chances that the Tories loving rig this election if it looks bad for them? Given everything else they've done it doesn't seem implausable.
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ANYTHING YOU SOW posted:Thought this tweet thread was a good way of arguing for universal benefits like Labour's free broadband policy: I never understand why giving people £X and taking £X back off them in income tax is "inefficient". Once the giving and taking systems are set up, it's easy!
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Guavanaut posted:And the more 'adult' shows always had a "ha ha it's a man in a dress I bet he's a gay" 'joke'. Often with the defence that "well at least we're talking about it." Sure, in the same way that Roy Chubby Brown isn't afraid to talk about race. I had a feeling last week that they're definitely lining up Long-Bailey for higher things - she seemed to be on telly almost constantly, and was generally killing it. Now obviously a lot of that is that a lot of the policy announcements were in her area, and it'll be an interesting thing to see if they do the same sort of scheduling in the next few weeks to spotlight a few of the other up-and-comers. I'd certainly like to see that, because there is still that gap between the front bench and the mostly younger, more inexperienced left-wing that came into Parliament in the last few elections, and we need to make sure the melts don't try and ram themselves into the race on an experience/recognition ticket when Corbyn decides to spend more time with his jam.
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# ? Nov 18, 2019 22:28 |
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Bobstar posted:I never understand why giving people £X and taking £X back off them in income tax is "inefficient". Once the giving and taking systems are set up, it's easy! maybe they think it's like thermodynamics and you're going to lose some along the way
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Bobstar posted:I never understand why giving people £X and taking £X back off them in income tax is "inefficient". Once the giving and taking systems are set up, it's easy! It's an argument mostly advanced by people who hate progressive taxation and want it gone, so they try to frame the debate as if it's not an option. The rest of the people arguing for means testing everywhere are those who have been duped by this rhetoric.
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# ? Nov 18, 2019 22:30 |
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Duckula posted:What are the chances that the Tories loving rig this election if it looks bad for them? Given everything else they've done it doesn't seem implausable. That would be quite an escalation
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XMNN posted:maybe they think it's like thermodynamics and you're going to lose some along the way Or maybe they think it comes in a wheelbarrow pushed by a poorly paid duck, who tips it into the money bin, while on the other side another wheelbarrow duck is taking the same amount out. Braggart posted:It's an argument mostly advanced by people who hate progressive taxation and want it gone, so they try to frame the debate as if it's not an option. The rest of the people arguing for means testing everywhere are those who have been duped by this rhetoric. "This transformer is so inefficient, it gives 55V with one wire but takes it back with the other wire!" (it is a plug analogy)
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# ? Nov 18, 2019 22:31 |
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I had just assumed willie rennie had resigned as leader of the scottish lib dems and been replaced with someone else I had forgotten the name of. I had just assumed that had happened. Nope he's still there I guess. look forward to forgetting he exists until the next election
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# ? Nov 18, 2019 22:32 |
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Duckula posted:What are the chances that the Tories loving rig this election if it looks bad for them? Given everything else they've done it doesn't seem implausable. The chances that they'll try, or that they'll succeed & get away with it? The former is 100%, the latter I'm not so sure.
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CGI Stardust posted:
full policy rather than a route map: https://www.gov.scot/policies/energy-efficiency/
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# ? Nov 18, 2019 22:35 |
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USPol, but an article about how the leader of a pro-Israel group teamed up with neonazis to get a Jewish socialist group banned from Twitter
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Duckula posted:What are the chances that the Tories loving rig this election if it looks bad for them? Given everything else they've done it doesn't seem implausable. Honestly I kind of expect trial balloons about that idea from thinkthanks and also the more stupid Tories who say the quiet part out loud. They will try anything if they get desperate enough and think it might work. The important question is whether they would get away with it. I don't think they would be allowed to. The Tories have outstayed their welcome in terms of the establishment indulging every single one of their harebrained schemes. And if it's unlikely to work, they are unlikely to try it. But I wouldn't be surprised if they float the idea just in case Braggart fucked around with this message at 22:40 on Nov 18, 2019 |
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does anyone else spend time meticulously planning what they'd say if boris johnson came round canvassing in their street?
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Duckula posted:What are the chances that the Tories loving rig this election if it looks bad for them? Given everything else they've done it doesn't seem implausable. I honestly don't know why they want to win at this point. Long term strategy they would have been far better off deliberately throwing it in 2017 and letting labour deal with squaring the impossible brexit circle. Unless they're worried that a labour government might actually do quite well and end up popular. Imagine that.
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# ? Nov 18, 2019 22:38 |
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cakesmith handyman posted:I've terrible memories of living in a wimpy "no-fines" cast in place Council house for a few years, every single one of them needs knocking down. Good posts goddamnedtwisto. Ta. The last post is going to be about how these blocks can be (and have been) rehabilitated (I know I promised four but gently caress it). I actually have a lot of affection for LPS and think we really need to revisit it with appropriate quality control if we're going to properly address the lack of housing in this country.
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# ? Nov 18, 2019 22:40 |
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Duckula posted:What are the chances that the Tories loving rig this election if it looks bad for them? Given everything else they've done it doesn't seem implausable. Given their track record so far, this would end in an overwhelming majority for the Troy party somehow.
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# ? Nov 18, 2019 22:41 |
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Duckula posted:What are the chances that the Tories loving rig this election if it looks bad for them? Given everything else they've done it doesn't seem implausable. Eh, don't fall into the (Tory) mindset that election fraud is something that's even vaguely achievable at least at a level likely to change the course of a national election. If nothing else the level of competence that would be required to pull something like that off, if it existed at all in their operation, would lead them to perma-supermajority status without fiddling a single vote.
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# ? Nov 18, 2019 22:42 |
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Duckula posted:What are the chances that the Tories loving rig this election if it looks bad for them? Given everything else they've done it doesn't seem implausable. Rigging a paper based election is extremely difficult and would require a huge amount of effort. Our voting system is set up in such a way as to defend against practically every possible form of fraud so they might try but the limits of those efforts might end up being 1-2 seats at most.
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Bobstar posted:I never understand why giving people £X and taking £X back off them in income tax is "inefficient". Once the giving and taking systems are set up, it's easy!
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Angepain posted:I had just assumed willie rennie had resigned as leader of the scottish lib dems and been replaced with someone else I had forgotten the name of. I had just assumed that had happened. Nope he's still there I guess. look forward to forgetting he exists until the next election It's a good thing Jo Swinson isn't leader of the Scottish Lib Dems because she might lose her seat!
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ThomasPaine posted:I honestly don't know why they want to win at this point. Long term strategy they would have been far better off deliberately throwing it in 2017 and letting labour deal with squaring the impossible brexit circle. Unless they're worried that a labour government might actually do quite well and end up popular. Imagine that. Well the smart ones are worried about that, but the dumb ones just believe they are born to rule. Get back in line, peasants! What do you even think you're going to do with all those pitchforks?
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Bobby Deluxe posted:I mean as far as I was aware, it doesn't happen in China. It happens in Japan because they don't have R or L as consonants, they have a consonant sound which is halfway between the tongue position for R and L, so they are not familiar with the difference between the two.* You are correct. The L/R pronunciation in Japanese is a sound between the two, we often hear it more as an R, but it's between. And for those not in the know, "ra ri ru re ro" anglicised as "La Li Lu Le Lo" is the way that Japanese children are taught that row of the syllabary.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:USPol, but an article about how the leader of a pro-Israel group teamed up with neonazis to get a Jewish socialist group banned from Twitter hey nice I tweeted this and they retweeted me
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Labour's campaign: lots of aspirational policies that will demonstrably make millions of people's lives better. Clear, hopeful messaging that explains policies and says exactly how they will be implemented and paid for. Tory campaign: literally just 'get Brexit done', attacks on Corbyn, and vague waffle about lowering taxes https://twitter.com/BorisJohnson/status/1196507112341409792 https://twitter.com/BorisJohnson/status/1196541086585540608 https://twitter.com/BorisJohnson/status/1196490754325016576 https://twitter.com/BorisJohnson/status/1196460052237967362 https://twitter.com/BorisJohnson/status/1196190777791123456 https://twitter.com/BorisJohnson/status/1196127863159709696
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