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Zesty posted:You know what's weird? remove a juror twist is probably planned to return, would suck if it's handed out to someone on the island of the idols if its not a random reward
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Nov 18, 2019 08:21
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of me because a 9 man jury would be fine.
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After having the 13 player jury from EOE the season before. I imagine production doesn't really care how many people end up on the jury. It really doesn't matter that much with the way the jury questions have been done the last few seasons with them asking questions as a group panel instead of 1 by 1. Also, I don't see how Rob & Sandra would be effective jury members having only sat through the tribals and talked to a handful of contestants on IOI during the season. But yea, I'm sure they could let someone remove a player from the jury too because they like the dumb advantages.
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Teckiwi posted:remove a juror twist is probably planned to return, would suck if it's handed out to someone on the island of the idols if its not a random reward If it exists, production will almost certainly tell whoever has it that they cannot use it on Kellee or Jamal or they are going to get get buried.
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SLICK GOKU BABY posted:
They'd be no worse than Reem being on the jury
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I buy the take that production prefers a gigantic jury for reaction memes and the backup plan for a two-way tie makes for great TV as well. A three-way would not happen.
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IcePhoenix posted:It's the latter, and you could tell by how he acted and spoke at tribal. He legitimately doesn't understand what the problem is. On another note, if Jeff Varner said to production, "Hey I'm going to out Zeke at Tribal tonight," I think it would've been fair for production to say, "Wait a minute, Jeff. That's really not a good idea." Likewise, I wonder if after Missy told Elizabeth to "play it up" re: Dan's touching, and it was captured on camera, if production shouldn't have called them each in for sessions where they said, "Did we hear you correctly? Did you say you were going to play up allegations of unwanted touching for strategic purposes? That's really not a good idea." If they'd done that they could have at least limited the fan vitriol to being against Dan instead of half the cast... Fast Luck fucked around with this message at 23:20 on Nov 18, 2019 |
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Binary Logic posted:1. Boston Rob to Jamal: "As soon as you touched that note, you lost your vote...today's lesson is on sabotage". Sandra crazily says, "Read it loud and read it proud!" but the note said he lost his vote at the next tribal council. What is there to be proud about? Pinterest Mom posted:lol if you don't think rob and sandra are voting at the end Fast Luck fucked around with this message at 22:10 on Nov 18, 2019 |
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Nov 18, 2019 22:06
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Fast Luck posted:the oath of the idols says they can't vote Sandra, smirking as she wins for the third time: "The final lesson is that you should never trust what you read on pieces of paper in Survivor, you dumbfucks."
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Nov 18, 2019 22:48
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This was just an awful week. Let's move past it to try and make sense of the rest of the season. (yeah, this was another edit)
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Aerox posted:Sandra, smirking as she wins for the third time: "The final lesson is that you should never trust what you read on pieces of paper in Survivor, you dumbfucks." Sandra: "Rob said all those words, not me."
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Nov 19, 2019 06:39
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Rob and Sandra at the end, "We said we don't get to vote, but neither does the Jury, we just get to pick the winner this season, and it's not any of you lovely players"
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SLICK GOKU BABY posted:Rob and Sandra at the end, "We said we don't get to vote, but neither does the Jury, we just get to pick the winner this season, and it's not any of you lovely players" And the winner of Survivor Island of Idols is... Jeff Probst!
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Nov 19, 2019 10:15
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It's Chris Underwood.
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Nov 19, 2019 14:24
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Rob and Sandra wrote the oath using the pencil they gave Jamal. Rob and Sandra have been to every tribal council and could have been voted out.
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Kellee: I appreciate the time and space in which people have given me to find my voice. I did not have any choice on if and how the story would be told. CBS did not allow me to view the episode early, and it has been difficult for me to both grapple with my feelings and figure out what to say. There are many more words, but for now, here it is.” ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY: There’s so much to get into with all of this. Let’s start here: How does it feel now seven months later to have to relive all this stuff that happened out on the island with Dan’s inappropriate touching? Kellee: As shown in the first episode, I told Dan that I didn’t like being touched and asked him to respect my personal boundaries. Not shown is that Janet also had a conversation with him in the first 6 days, saying it’s not the same for me to touch younger women as it is for you. However, Dan was part of our core alliance and to risk alienating him was to risk my allies and my game. I tried to address the issue and move forward with the game. I can leave this show feeling proud of that. Speaking up for myself and others took a lot of courage, because there was always the risk that I wasn’t going to be believed. That’s why it’s important to support them and speak up for them. I am grateful to those who supported me and took a stand for me. EW: What happened when production intervened and talked to you all, and were you satisfied with their response or do you feel they should have intervened sooner? One of the things that truly makes Survivor special is that the producers let the players play. We say what we want to say, and we are left as much as possible to our own devices; this is what has kept the integrity of the game. However, on the flip side, it has created a relationship where players can’t ask for help and producers can’t step in. Kellee:I did not know about Dan getting a personal warning until I watched the episode. If production was going to give Dan an official warning, they should have just pulled him from the game or at least informed me so that I was aware of how it might impact the game. Let’s bring this to the workplace; you complain about your coworker making you feel uncomfortable and touching you too much. This person gets a warning, and as a result, refuses to work with you, blocks anything you try to put forward, and it hurts your career. So while I don’t think this was the right course of action, this issue coming to light is allowing production to have these conversations, input protocol, raise awareness, and change for the better. EW: Did Dan’s attitude towards you change at all after production issued him a warning? Kellee:Like I said, I didn't know that Dan had gotten an official warning until watching the episode; in fact, I thought only Janet and I had had private conversations with production. I imagine that this likely contributed to his attitude change from his initial excitement to reunite with me and Janet. I couldn’t tell you how much any of this affected the course of the game, and I don’t think anyone will ever know the truth of it. EW: What did you make of Dan celebrating as you were voted off? Kellee:Even without the context of this situation, it is important to be a gracious winner as it is a gracious loser. EW: Missy and Elizabeth appeared to concoct a strategy where they told you and Janet that they felt violated as well, even though Elizabeth then told the camera that they were not actually uncomfortable with Dan at all and it was only a game move to shift the target onto him. How do you feel about them making up those feelings as a game move, and do you think it then minimized the actual true feelings you were having in regards to the situation? Kellee:What you see in the game here — it’s an issue that happens everywhere: in bars, schools, and offices — and it’s an issue that (mostly) young women have to face. I draw the ethical line at using something like this as a tool. The reason is: I needed to be believed, and production needed to step in. If people lie or use it to their advantage, it discredits the truthful stories and does irreparable damage to the issue. I also draw the ethical line at staying silent and “not knowing.” There is no such thing as an innocent bystander, and by not asking, taking action, or taking a side, you enable the behavior. Those who have the privilege of ignoring what’s happening have to take responsibility or this type of behavior will continue. I’m not saying that what happened was okay. I’m saying that I hope that we are all learning. EW: How hard was it to sit there at the following Tribal as a jury member watching Dan and Janet and Elizabeth and Aaron all weigh in and not be able to say anything? Kellee:Production decided. Jeff and I only spoke the day after Jamal got voted out so I was not aware of any discussion or option for me to speak beforehand. I also wasn’t aware of what this tribal council was going to be about. Could I have said something? I suppose, but I would have had to gather my thoughts, broken a huge social norm and rule, and potentially alienate production, who had control over the narrative. EW: Have you and Dan had a chance outside the game to discuss all of this, and how are you two now? Kellee:My relationship with Dan is between me and Dan. Having a good or bad relationship with someone after something like this seems to warp public perception of what happened. My relationship with Dan has no bearing on the facts, which the public saw air. EW: You went home with two idols in your pocket. Did you come close to using one of them, or were you that sure you were safe? Kellee:Yes! Lauren was my litmus test since the Molly vote out. During Molly’s vote out, I thought that Lauren wore all of her emotions and so I knew that she would be my check. During tribal, I turned to ask if we were okay her because I knew something was up. It was misplaced trust and misread signals, and complex because it was intertwined with the Dan situation, but unfortunately, that was our game and I’m human. By the way, what’s really amazing is that in Episode 2 at Island of the Idols, I cried when I got an idol because I was so relieved that I hadn’t failed a little test with five silly questions. It seemed so monumental when I was there. Fast forward 6 episodes later, and I get voted out with not one, but two idols in my pocket. It was one of my big fears going into the game, and it actually manifested! But you know what? I am so grateful that I got to spend time with Jack. Ponderosa was so relaxing, and my life has gone on. I think it goes to show you that sometimes the fear of failing can be so much worse than the failing itself. EW: It was a little unclear who your biggest allies were out there. Did you have a long-term plan in terms of whom you wanted to go to the end with? Kellee:My biggest allies were Janet, Noura, Karishma, and Lauren. I’d put Jason in that category as well, but he unfortunately got voted out. By the way, I saw your article, Dalton, on it and it made me laugh because you were on the right track. Having a women’s alliance is not sexist. I knew before the game that I wanted to call attention to the fear of women’s alliances. It’s so interesting to me how past seasons affect future seasons and frankly, I’m tired of the Black Widow Brigade affecting so many women in the game. Lastly, yes, I did want to throw attention off myself and Dean by putting Jamal a little on the defensive! EW: You have received an outpouring of online and social media support throughout all of this. What has that been like to have your life out there like an open book? Kellee:What happened out there was and has been very hard for me. After many months of feeling alone, the outpour of messages, posts, DMs, texts, food, flowers, and calls have meant so much. I feel loved, heard, and believed, and there is no better gift. Thank you for that.
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Nov 19, 2019 21:04
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I like her not commenting on her relationship with Dan and why. I think she'll be back.
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Nov 19, 2019 21:05
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I really hope she is, yeah.
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Nov 19, 2019 21:15
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A year or two from now we're definitely gonna see Kellee and Jamal back if they want to.
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The Bloop posted:I like her not commenting on her relationship with Dan and why. qft
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Nov 19, 2019 21:46
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I've seen the first four or five episodes but had to check the thread because holy poo poo dan. wtf! and shame on you survivor production. I thought we'd moved on since Amazon :'(
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So some things aren't adding up. Kellee said she had no idea production warned Dan despite the show's blackcard saying they took him and everyone aside. She also said Probst didn't speak to her until after Jamal's vote despite Probst saying he spoke to her prior whether it would be right for her to speak at tribal. Production's blatantly lying.
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Shneak posted:So some things aren't adding up. Kellee said she had no idea production warned Dan despite the show's blackcard saying they took him and everyone aside. She also said Probst didn't speak to her until after Jamal's vote despite Probst saying he spoke to her prior whether it would be right for her to speak at tribal. Josh Wiggler just posted about how upset he is with production, I think there's more going on behind the scenes.
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Shneak posted:So some things aren't adding up. Kellee said she had no idea production warned Dan despite the show's blackcard saying they took him and everyone aside. She also said Probst didn't speak to her until after Jamal's vote despite Probst saying he spoke to her prior whether it would be right for her to speak at tribal. Production said they addressed the code of conduct with the whole tribe and then warned Dan individually. So I don't think that conflicts with Kellee saying she didn't know they talked to Dan. They spoke to the tribe without referencing Dan, Kellee, or the specific issues and then at some other time they (allegedly) warned Dan individually. The Probst thing, though, I dunno. At the very least I think Kellee's right to be upset that production spoke to Dan and didn't tell her, since it raises the "that can gently caress up my game!" issue that seems like the hurdle production was stumbling over. Even if they didn't mention Kellee's name Dan could very well have figured it out or asked people and it might have contributed to Kellee being targeted.
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Max posted:Josh Wiggler just posted about how upset he is with production, I think there's more going on behind the scenes. He's said he's going to stop writing about Survivor as well. He went pretty hard into production over this on Rob Has a Podcast. There was a recurring comparison between the medical team having the final say on evacs and the need for something similar in situations like these.
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The principle of charity implores mention that who spoke to who exactly when not "adding up" can easily be honest mistakes rather than nefarious cover-ups. I'm NOT saying production is innocent in ANY way here, just cautioning against runaway theorizing turning into "truth"
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Yeah. I don't put it past production/Probst to lie to save face, but its also like a year ago and everything had to have happened in the span of a few days in the middle of a huge production. The human memory sucks so like, in matters of "did you have the talk before or after" recall can be iffy. I think there's plenty there for us to feel how we're gonna feel about production about how we saw them handle this in general. And they'll get at least one more chance where they'll HAVE to address it on the Finale and we'll see how that goes. I don't blame anyone who feels burned out or disgusted enough to walk away, especially people who make a job of it.
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Nov 19, 2019 23:43
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Incidentally I just visited SurvivorSucks and I'm gonna go vomit. Had to share.
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Wow. I am shocked if they didn't tell Kellee they had a 1:1 with Dan. At a workplace if you report someone to HR for harassment, HR lets you know when they speak to the offender. This helps monitor any retaliation that occurs...
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Max posted:Josh Wiggler just posted about how upset he is with production, I think there's more going on behind the scenes. Where can I see this?
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STAC Goat posted:Incidentally I just visited SurvivorSucks and I'm gonna go vomit. Had to share. quote:
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Production should always take a moment to consider What Would Wardog Do. By the way, here's that original ponderosa music y'all have been begging for all month, featuring Jamal and Jack. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2D3S3PMcSCQ&t=446s Also Rob & Sandra, making Survivor History even when they're not a castaway https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwiI5BMlu1Q Youtube Autoplay brought me to this, timestamped a moment from China I think, Jean Robert being a touchy creep. Kind of weird to see with the lighthearted camp-life hijinx music going on. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9kHH1RsXEA&t=129s Khanstant fucked around with this message at 01:45 on Nov 20, 2019 |
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AdmiralViscen posted:Where can I see this? I just listened to his podcast with RHAP. He basically says that he's put too much of his sense of self in the show and due to personal issues he doesn't feel comfortable continuing and risking his personal stuff getting worse because of how Survivor is making him feel. He goes into more detail and is really open and I'm deeply sympathetic. He finished up saying he's "positive" he'll watch/talk about Survivor again, but that he knows he can't do it on Wednesday. It didn't sound like he was alluding to any behind the scenes secrets or anything. He was unhappy with production but for all the reasons we were. He was upset that Jeff hasn't said much, that production seemed so unprepared for this, and that they didn't give any kind of set up or warning for this. He compared it to a kid not studying, failing the test, and being surprised. That's definitely something that's struck me. Even though the producers knew enough to do a double episode and include all the context here everyone involved seemed completely unprepared for this episode. All the apologizing players talk like they never thought about it between then and the episode and it all caught them by surprise. Its bizarre how completely caught off guard everyone involved in the show seems to have been by this episode they made.
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UltimoDragonQuest posted:I just visited reddit and was delighted [/quote] I know a lot of people hate Wardog but I love him and how committed he is to the bit. There's probably some crossover there with my wrestling fandom to explain it.
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Khanstant posted:
I know it wasn't the point, but the montage of Coach being denied hugs really helped lift my mood.
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I'm wondering how different the reaction might have been if it wasn't a double episode. The first episode was... uncomfortable, but I feel like most of the worst parts were in the second episode with Janet being betrayed by Missy/Liz and then that whole TC. Probably for the best that they mashed them together and deal with (hopefully) the worst of the media storm early on.
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STAC Goat posted:All the apologizing players talk like they never thought about it between then and the episode and it all caught them by surprise. Its bizarre how completely caught off guard everyone involved in the show seems to have been by this episode they made. i mean, some of them probably didn't know how bad it was until they saw it. which is a huge part of the problem. so many people don't understand until they're given proof and 99% of the time there is no proof which is why women go so unheard. i read a twitter thread the other day about a major shithead gaslighting and abusing women in a game company to the point where almost every woman left the company. so many of them corroborated their stories but there were still plenty of people in the replies going 'i'm gonna stay neutral. no proof. innocent until proven guilty'. if we had as much proof of all harassment as survivor showed in every other case then people would finally start taking this poo poo seriously, but until then people are going to refuse to believe things until they see it, but they'll never see it because they're not a woman or a minority or such.
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IcePhoenix posted:OP was IAmTheWardog
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ApplesandOranges posted:I'm wondering how different the reaction might have been if it wasn't a double episode. As bad as this is I think it probably would have been so much worse if it was strung out for 2 weeks. I could see a lot more people including myself just getting completely burned out and disgusted on it and walking away. There also would have been a lot less universal anger and more social/political divides with like people who think Kellee is a "snowflake" or "evil feminist" or stuff. The sort of stuff I saw over at SurvivorSucks. One of the people on one of the RHAP podcasts I listened to made the point that part of the reason this has so little debate and disagreement is because there were so many people being gross in so many ways that there's kind of someone to be mad at for everyone. So I saw people at SurvivorSucks that thought Kellee was a "snowflake", Jamal was a "virtue signaler", and Janet was a "white knight" but were still furious at Missy and Elizabeth because they tried to destroy the reputation of a good man in Dan and the show allowed it. Dragging this out over 2 weeks probably would have produced a lot of garbage takes like that while exhausting the rest of us. Adus posted:i mean, some of them probably didn't know how bad it was until they saw it. which is a huge part of the problem.
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STAC Goat posted:I know it wasn't the point, but the montage of Coach being denied hugs really helped lift my mood. I know what you mean. I would love to see a one-off episode/clip of a show following Coach around with regular people reacting to him naturally when they don't have any pressure or incentive to tolerate his horseshit.
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