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BrokenGameboy posted:Lol at thinking we or any of the west live in any kind of real "democracy". at least in places like the GDR there was real dissident unlike the current well take anything attitude in the USA.
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Nov 18, 2019 22:57
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lol some guy set himself on fire to "prove" that lighting a person on fire was no big deal, 24 hours later he tells everyone his second degree burns are far worse than expected and hopes that we can all get along: https://twitter.com/chenqiushi404/status/1195351309211312128?s=20 Lightning Knight posted:this is a weirdly conservative argument. if black nationalists were attacking government facilities in cities (like say, killing almost a dozen cops in Dallas a few years ago) then I would not really agree with that as a strategy but it would not be any kind of surprise or incomprehensible event given the treatment of black Americans. likewise I would disagree with a militarized or aggressive response because that isn’t going to solve the problem, it will just terrorize and radicalize the black community. It depends on how long of a timeframe you want to run with it. What Xinjiang is now originally belong to a group called the Dzungars who got mostly wiped out by the Qing Dynasty and their little helpers the Hui and Uighur minorities. The Dzungars had subjugated the Uighurs ages ago and levied punitive taxes against them, so they were only too happy to return the favor. Since then there have been various incarnations of ETIM, going so far as to actually have an East Turkestan state that existed for a few years between the 1920s and 1930s. The stated goal of east turkestan's religious leaders at the time was to ward off the "yellow" (han), but focus on exterminating the "black" (hui), alarming nationalist warlords and leading them to invade and rule it as a puppet state, until they themselves were usurped by the soviets in the 40s: quote:The First ETR gave political meaning to the erstwhile geographical term of East Turkestan.[18] However, the Chinese warlord Sheng Shicai (盛世才) quickly defeated the ETR and ruled Xinjiang for the decade after 1934 with close support from the Soviet Union.[27] Eventually, though, the Soviet Union exploited the change in power from Sheng to Kuomintang officials to create the puppet Second East Turkestan Republic (1944–1949) in present-day Ili Kazakh Autonomous Prefecture to exploit its minerals,[28] later justifying it as a national liberation movement against the "reactionary" Kuomintang regime.[4] Amid the anti-Han programs and policies[27] and exclusion of "pagans",[20] or non-Muslims, from the separatist government,[28] Kuomintang leaders based in Dihua (Ürümqi) appealed to the long Chinese history in the region to justify its sovereignty over Xinjiang. In response, Soviet historians produced revisionist histories to help the ETR justify its own claims to sovereignty, with statements such as that the Uyghurs were the "most ancient Turkic people" that had contributed to world civilization.[4] Traditionally, scholars had thought of Xinjiang as a "cultural backwater" compared to the other Central Asian states during the Islamic Golden Age.[12] Local British and American consuls, also intrigued by the separatist government, published their own histories of the region. The Soviet Uyghur histories produced during its support of the ETR remain the basis of Uyghur nationalist publications today.[4] Given that central asia is the conflict/confluence zone of various cultures and has been for centuries, it is hard to take a look at Xinjiang policy and apply that through an American lens. The closest thing to revanchism in America is the neoconfederate movement, and that has no foreign support. Meanwhile ETIM is the sum of the remainder of squabbles that have existed well before the modern PRC, and they are attempting to deal with the issue in a modern way (systematic reeducation) compatible with the tenets of marxism-leninism rather than the old fashioned way (just murder everyone and resettle with your own bannermen). It is vastly inappropriate to try and say a particular response is conservative or liberal when it comes to issues of tribe and ethnic identity, especially as these feuds predate the introduction of nation states to east asia. It is more accurate to say that for decades Xinjiang was given carrots (affirmative action, quotas and set asides, autonomous republic, exemption from the usual taxes and one child policy, etc.), and now the government is responding with a stick due to post-2000s incidents of terrorism. It's not just Han people who have been murdered by the ETIM, moderate imams like Juma Tahir have been assassinated too to drive polarization and an "choose us or them" mentality.
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Nov 19, 2019 00:28
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you know pevan stan, I will concede that I don’t know enough about this topic to credibly argue with you and concede the floor.
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Nov 19, 2019 00:34
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Wasn't there a march by HK folk towards the Poly university happening?
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Nov 19, 2019 00:40
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Congratulations, you've basically word for word recreated an argument used by the British to justify their crackdowns in British India in the late 1800s.
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Nov 19, 2019 00:55
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Lightning Knight posted:you know pevan stan, I will concede that I don’t know enough about this topic to credibly argue with you and concede the floor. no need to concede anything, the western media is good at one thing and that is making things emotionally charged when they want it to be. compare the coverage of xinjiang with the neo-nazi danish government's ghetto policy from the same state broadcaster: quote:From the age of 1, ghetto children will be forced to spend at least 25 hours per week attending classes in “Danish values.” Criminals from the ghettoes can be given tougher sentences. Some public housing will be sold off and the residents evicted in an effort to break up immigrant communities. Separating children from their parents to be raised by Danish surrogates to inculcate the "correct values" as well as destroying their housing to force them out of their own neighborhoods. From this citylab source: quote:There has even been discussion of putting electronic tags on teenagers with a migration background to force them to keep an 8 p.m. curfew. Proposing surveillance of military age males to keep them confined to certain areas designated by the government. While people are hyperventilating about the PRC, virtually nobody has commented on how a small, "tolerant and liberal" country like Denmark is doing the same exact thing, with no controversy or talk of sanctions from America. It's one thing to keep on playing the whataboutism card when it comes to the US. But Denmark?
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Nov 19, 2019 00:57
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Lightning Knight posted:you know pevan stan, I will concede that I don’t know enough about this topic to credibly argue with you and concede the floor. heck yeah mission accomplished
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Nov 19, 2019 01:17
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sincx has issued a correction as of 05:29 on Mar 23, 2021 |
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Nov 19, 2019 01:28
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Han nationalists buying into the War on Terror fabrication that is the ETIM is hilarious. I bet they have weapons of mass destruction too.
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Nov 19, 2019 01:44
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sincx posted:
Let's look at the text of basic law article 18: quote:The Standing Committee of the National People's Congress may add to or delete from the list of laws in Annex III after consulting its Committee for the Basic Law of the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region and the government of the Region. Laws listed in Annex III to this Law shall be confined to those relating to defence and foreign affairs as well as other matters outside the limits of the autonomy of the Region as specified by this Law. Basic Law Chapter 4, Section 4: The Judiciary quote:Article 84 As far as I can tell, there is nothing explicitly spelling out power of the courts to conduct constitutional reviews of emergency laws when it comes to the Basic Law, they were doing it because they always have. And the judgement was no on whether or not the mask law was unconstitutional, but rather the colonial era ordinances that allowed the CE to impose the mask law without the legislative council was constitutional or not. Conceivably the LC, already reputed to be packed with Beijing shills, could just pass the law the right way and the courts would have no grounds to challenge it on that basis again. Article 18 already gives the CPG a lot of power to meddle in HK's internal affairs as long as they feel like the region is in a state of emergency and the situation is beyond control of the local government. Given the incompetence and intransigence of everyone involved, article 18 is going to be invoked sooner or later by the national government, if not for the current umbrella revolution than surely a more violent one down the road with even more casualties. CAPS LOCK BROKEN has issued a correction as of 01:57 on Nov 19, 2019 |
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Nov 19, 2019 01:55
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Bloodnose posted:Han nationalists buying into the War on Terror fabrication that is the ETIM is hilarious. I bet they have weapons of mass destruction too. This is an interesting assertion from our state department rezident. For the most part, this country resettles refugees into hidey holes where they can be forgotten, like Bosnians and Syrians to St. Louis or Somalians to Boise. Meanwhile, the east turkestan refugees/separatists that you guys have been running head straight to suburban virginia, where they open schools for case officers in uighur language and culture that get featured later on in VOA broadcasts. How weird is it that other refugees get sent to the lowest possible cost of living states while your east turkestan buddies get to live in the most expensive ZIP codes in America: quote:Ataman is one of around 1,500 Uighurs who live in the Washington region, according to an estimate from the D.C.-based Uighur American Association, with the majority living in Fairfax County. It’s the largest Uighur community in the United States. Great use of taxpayer dollars there.
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Nov 19, 2019 02:06
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Bloodnose posted:Han nationalists buying into the War on Terror fabrication that is the ETIM is hilarious. I bet they have weapons of mass destruction too. who's going to break the news to the fighters in Idlib that their group is a fabrication?
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Nov 19, 2019 02:27
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Shageletic posted:Wasn't there a march by HK folk towards the Poly university happening? There were several attempts to reach PolyU but none succeeded. Between surrenders, arrests and some extremely dramatic escapes they are down to about 100 inside PolyU just now. HKs political leadership seems to have abrogated responsibility for the situation entirely to the police. The police's track record during the protests includes multiple sexual assaults on female prisoners, assaults on protesters, journalists and even firefighters and paramedics. Also screaming that they want to recreate Tiananmen at the people they have surrounded. So the likely outcome is "bad".
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Nov 19, 2019 02:32
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sincx has issued a correction as of 05:29 on Mar 23, 2021 |
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Nov 19, 2019 02:42
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That's just ACAB
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Nov 19, 2019 03:00
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Regardless of one's particular stance on the HK protests being good or bad, it's a pretty undeniable marker of just how incompetent/dysfunctional the current government is when we're well into the third day of a violent police siege on a university and Carrie Lam has made exactly zero public statements on the matter.
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Nov 19, 2019 03:32
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 Grapplejack has issued a correction as of 04:12 on Nov 19, 2019 |
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Nov 19, 2019 04:09
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CAPS LOCK BROKEN posted:This is an interesting assertion from our state department rezident. For the most part, this country resettles refugees into hidey holes where they can be forgotten, like Bosnians and Syrians to St. Louis or Somalians to Boise. Meanwhile, the east turkestan refugees/separatists that you guys have been running head straight to suburban virginia, where they open schools for case officers in uighur language and culture that get featured later on in VOA broadcasts. How weird is it that other refugees get sent to the lowest possible cost of living states while your east turkestan buddies get to live in the most expensive ZIP codes in America: https://twitter.com/yashalevine/status/1155406609926873088
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Nov 19, 2019 04:39
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lol, very Chinese response: https://www.scmp.com/news/china/politics/article/3038265/china-hits-out-new-york-times-over-report-xinjiang-crackdown
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Nov 19, 2019 05:07
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Atrocious Joe posted:who's going to break the news to the fighters in Idlib that their group is a fabrication? I guess the same fella who needs to bring them a map cause Idlib is a little outta the way of anything that's got to do with the supposed ETIM.
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Nov 19, 2019 08:09
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the protesters tried to escape PolyU through the sewer but it was too smelly down there '“It was disgusting inside the drainage,” a masked mad said.' https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/law-and-crime/article/3038443/no-redemption-sewers-desperate-radicals-search-high
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Nov 19, 2019 11:56
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Rabelais D posted:the protesters tried to escape PolyU through the sewer but it was too smelly down there https://twitter.com/bbcchinese/status/1196702115772669954 geniuses
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Nov 19, 2019 12:04
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Geniuses indeed: They're afraid they will be arrested and can't go home; hmm perhaps they shouldn't have participated in an effort that involved massive damage to city infrastructure, manufacture of thousands of petrol bombs and the theft of cyanide and sulphuric acid from chemistry labs. This is a sign that the police have been restrained up to now: most of the protesters expected to be able to just go home after everything they did, and have been acting all surprised that this time the police are actually arresting them
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Nov 19, 2019 12:31
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https://twitter.com/koreasociety/status/1196422409290756096?p=v i dunno why the right wing twitter guy thought defacing posters was interesting but not this i was able to actually find documentation on the korean internet for this story this happened a week ago so i also dont know what took reuters so long to find these people for such a low effort article nothing about the standoff lasting seven hours or death threats or this kim jimun guy though theres gonna be another event on the november 23rd ill try to read a few articles about
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Nov 19, 2019 13:26
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Rabelais D posted:Geniuses indeed: They're afraid they will be arrested and can't go home; hmm perhaps they shouldn't have participated in an effort that involved massive damage to city infrastructure, manufacture of thousands of petrol bombs and the theft of cyanide and sulphuric acid from chemistry labs. agreed, thin blue line brother
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Nov 19, 2019 15:13
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"what part of 'all cops are bad' don't you understand you stupid loving tankies" - me, building pipe bombs to spring the bowl cut nazi out of jail
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Nov 19, 2019 15:30
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luis fernando camacho really showed us last week how direct action gets the goods
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Nov 19, 2019 15:32
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Nov 19, 2019 15:49
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DOCTOR ZIMBARDO posted:"what part of 'all cops are bad' don't you understand you stupid loving tankies" - me, building pipe bombs to spring the bowl cut nazi out of jail whoa there are bowl cut nazis involved??
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Nov 19, 2019 16:06
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no these guys just wave groyper icons, love colonial flags, cash checks from ted cruz, and think mainland chinese are semi-literate apes
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Nov 19, 2019 16:29
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Universal suffrage sounds like a cool goal, why do people object to it?
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Nov 19, 2019 16:31
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They wield CIA branded longbows and broadswords
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Nov 19, 2019 16:32
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quote:“[Driving] fast doesn’t mean it is unsafe. For our police officers, they all well trained,” he said. “Be [confident in] the police. And please be [supportive] to the police. If you always worry about why the police do this and why the police do that, perhaps that may send some wrong [messages] to the public. Trust us and support us. ” Because driving a cop car around Lantau is exactly the same as a bus in Hong Kong.
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Nov 19, 2019 16:35
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Norton the First posted:Universal suffrage sounds like a cool goal, why do people object to it? because last time it was offered up in 2014 the entire city erupted in massive rioting, and that was a relatively benign deal where Beijing only reserved the right to veto candidates who were openly seditious
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Nov 19, 2019 16:43
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https://twitter.com/CoveringDelta/status/1196491401321746433?s=19
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Nov 20, 2019 00:32
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lmao
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Nov 20, 2019 00:58
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can't wait for this next iteration of WMD: this time we gotta stop china to save the white race! 
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Nov 20, 2019 00:58
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the "rule of law foundation" is also mixed up with miles kwok / guo wengui, the chinese rich guy on the run from corruption charges kwok also associates with steve bannon, and both bannon and this j. kyle bass guy promote "fourth turning" theories. i could find bass promoting that by scanning his twitter feed for 20 seconds
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Nov 20, 2019 01:05
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wow weird how many hk supporters are reactionary nutjobs!
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Nov 20, 2019 01:14
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