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Harold Fjord
Jan 3, 2004
I can't get over how good your breakdown of the President is PJ.

I knew a girl in high school who had her hand nearly bitten off by a dog as a 5 year old. Now she has a thick scar all through the middle of her palm the exact width of her hand at the time. Other stuff goes around it, but the scarred tissue just sits there.
That's basically our president's psyche. :toot:

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Loel
Jun 4, 2012

"For the Emperor."

There was a terrible noise.
There was a terrible silence.



https://twitter.com/atheist_cvnt/status/1191157832546041856

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
They were always going to get out the long knives for each other, at least they're doing it at their nadir rather than apex.

Prester Jane
Nov 4, 2008

by Hand Knit

I can't tell you how many times I've heard versions of this rant when I was running in Otherkin circles- although usually it was about Nephilim genetics rather than being so explicitly about race.

Prester Jane
Nov 4, 2008

by Hand Knit
https://twitter.com/JoeMyGod/status/1192110117107335168?s=19

quote:

“Lord, we ask you to deliver our president from any snare, any set up of the enemy according to Ephesians 6:12, any persons [or] entities that are aligned against the president will be exposed and dealt with and overturned by the superior blood of Jesus.

“Whether it’s the spirit of Leviathan, a spirit of Jezebel, Abaddon, whether it’s the spirit of Belial, we come against the strongmen, especially Jezebel, that which would operate in sorcery and witchcraft, that which would operate in hidden things, veiled things, that which would operate in deception.
“We come against it according to your word. Any persons or entities that are aligned against President Trump, the will of God, against the mantle that he would carry, against him as president, that it would be exposed and dealt with and overturned in Jesus’ name.

“We know that we do not wrestle against flesh and blood but against principalities, powers, rulers of darkness of this age, hosts of wickedness in heavenly places. Stretch out your arm and deliver President Trump and rid him of any bondage the enemy would try to bring against him.

“Thank you Lord for your hand establishing him, and let your arm strengthen President Trump.”

Somfin
Oct 25, 2010

In my🦚 experience🛠️ the big things🌑 don't teach you anything🤷‍♀️.

Nap Ghost

Yeah this is pretty clearly an example of an outer narrative collapsing and forcing the inner narrative to the surface, like, about as clean as it's possible to get

T-man
Aug 22, 2010


Talk shit, get bzzzt.


glad to see smoking weed counts as a sacrifice to satan, i'm doing my part


(jesus christ if this is how the true believer trump supporters actually think how the gently caress can or should we rehabilitate them at scale?)

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006


God is so good and powerful that his will can be defeated by appeals to other gods, which are also real.

Prester Jane
Nov 4, 2008

by Hand Knit

T-man posted:

how the gently caress can or should we rehabilitate them at scale?

lol


I feel like one of the very few scenarios the federal government has never created contingency plans for is "how do you deprogram 60 million cultists simultaneously"


https://twitter.com/Jake_Hanrahan/status/1192093672566853632?s=19

https://twitter.com/AricToler/status/1192130011240828929?s=19

Venomous
Nov 7, 2011





Prester Jane posted:

I feel like one of the very few scenarios the federal government has never created contingency plans for is "how do you deprogram 60 million cultists simultaneously"

I feel like they knew it'd be a possibility, but they deliberately ignored it because said cultists would be useful for the purpose of maintaining American hegemony

Prester Jane
Nov 4, 2008

by Hand Knit
So earlier this year when I was super active on Twitter there was a goon who pm'd me a link to an academic study they had done on the cultural history of something awful. I have since (most regrettably) forgotten that goons name and also lost access to that Twitter account.

If that goon is still lurking and can forgive my forgetfulness I was hoping they might be willing to share that link again? (I've gotten several requests from other Goons to read that study.) Anyone able to help a sister out here?

Prester Jane has issued a correction as of 22:47 on Nov 14, 2019

Brain Curry
Feb 15, 2007

People think that I'm lazy
People think that I'm this fool because
I give a fuck about the government
I didn't graduate from high school



Prester Jane posted:

So earlier this year when I was super active on Twitter there was a goon poopy and me a link

Heck of a text to speech. What’s it supposed to be? who PMed me?

Prester Jane
Nov 4, 2008

by Hand Knit

Brain Curry posted:

Heck of a text to speech. What’s it supposed to be? who PMed me?

Yeah LOL oops, I didn't catch that one.

Ice Phisherman
Apr 12, 2007

Swimming upstream
into the sunset



So PJ. What happens when a narcissist is put under increasing amounts of pressure, especially if those around him that previously enabled him begin to abandon him?

T-man
Aug 22, 2010


Talk shit, get bzzzt.

Good things, right?

Prester Jane
Nov 4, 2008

by Hand Knit

Ice Phisherman posted:

So PJ. What happens when a narcissist is put under increasing amounts of pressure, especially if those around him that previously enabled him begin to abandon him?

Eventually the mask falls and they snap- they lash out at everything and everyone around them while they desperately yank whatever levers of power they still have access too.

He'll scream about betrayal and try to incite his supporters into hurting those he feels have betrayed him- he made even give a "you'll the they day you crossed Donald J. TRUMP!" type speech.

That said, he's old and unhealthy and his body / mind are clearly buckling under the stress, he may well just have an aneurysm and simply expire from rage.

Prester Jane
Nov 4, 2008

by Hand Knit
https://twitter.com/RyanLizza/status/1197189935213817857?s=19

Somfin
Oct 25, 2010

In my🦚 experience🛠️ the big things🌑 don't teach you anything🤷‍♀️.

Nap Ghost

Prester Jane posted:

Eventually the mask falls and they snap- they lash out at everything and everyone around them while they desperately yank whatever levers of power they still have access too.

He'll scream about betrayal and try to incite his supporters into hurting those he feels have betrayed him- he made even give a "you'll the they day you crossed Donald J. TRUMP!" type speech.

That said, he's old and unhealthy and his body / mind are clearly buckling under the stress, he may well just have an aneurysm and simply expire from rage.

Watching JRodefeld explicitly threaten another poster, unironic Internet Tough Guy style, in the D&D Libertarians thread was a sight to behold.

For those who don't know, JRod is a famous dipshit who writes lenghty screeds full of words he doesn't quite understand to defend his saviour Ron Paul from accusations of racism demonstrate the No True Scotsman fallacy proselytise Libertarianism to the masses. When cornered with a question he can't answer (like, for example, do workers contribute to profit), he usually disappears and then reappears with a new article to discuss, ignoring all counterarguments; we're in that stage right now. Libertarianism has a honeypot of illogic core concept called the Non Aggression Principle, which at heart is "never start fights"- to anyone looking in from the outside, it's a transparent way of protecting the already rich and already powerful from revolution, but to those on the inside, it's something you've already agreed to by deciding to argue against it with your words, haha got you there dipshit.

But at one point the thread apparently got to him and he decided to call a fellow poster a pencil-necked poindexter and threaten them with a beating for the crime of laughing at him on the internet, while ranting about his decades of martial arts training. He would go on to rescind this threat, with the explanation being that he doesn't hurt women. Accusations that he'd breached the NAP went unanswered, probably because he never ever admits fault for anything.

JRod's mostly solo in his opinions in that thread, so there wasn't anyone for him to call out for betrayal, but it was wondrous to see this happen in microcosm. I'd suggest to you that we'll see some explicitly physical threats during a meltdown- like, actual challenges involving punching or beatings. Strongmen don't melt down without needing to prove that they're strong.

Ice Phisherman
Apr 12, 2007

Swimming upstream
into the sunset



Somfin posted:

Watching JRodefeld explicitly threaten another poster, unironic Internet Tough Guy style, in the D&D Libertarians thread was a sight to behold.

For those who don't know, JRod is a famous dipshit who writes lenghty screeds full of words he doesn't quite understand to defend his saviour Ron Paul from accusations of racism demonstrate the No True Scotsman fallacy proselytise Libertarianism to the masses. When cornered with a question he can't answer (like, for example, do workers contribute to profit), he usually disappears and then reappears with a new article to discuss, ignoring all counterarguments; we're in that stage right now. Libertarianism has a honeypot of illogic core concept called the Non Aggression Principle, which at heart is "never start fights"- to anyone looking in from the outside, it's a transparent way of protecting the already rich and already powerful from revolution, but to those on the inside, it's something you've already agreed to by deciding to argue against it with your words, haha got you there dipshit.

But at one point the thread apparently got to him and he decided to call a fellow poster a pencil-necked poindexter and threaten them with a beating for the crime of laughing at him on the internet, while ranting about his decades of martial arts training. He would go on to rescind this threat, with the explanation being that he doesn't hurt women. Accusations that he'd breached the NAP went unanswered, probably because he never ever admits fault for anything.

JRod's mostly solo in his opinions in that thread, so there wasn't anyone for him to call out for betrayal, but it was wondrous to see this happen in microcosm. I'd suggest to you that we'll see some explicitly physical threats during a meltdown- like, actual challenges involving punching or beatings. Strongmen don't melt down without needing to prove that they're strong.

Do you have a link to this?

All I can think of as the mods drag him away is him screaming that we'll all rue the day and that his uncle works at Nintendo.

Libertarianism is a weird animal because it's a group of people who can identify some nasty root causes in our culture, like violence being inherent in the system and that taxation is basically theft, but instead of combatting that, they pine for a system that is actually worse. Where if money is speech, people explicitly have less speech and are therefore less free and they're just fine with that.

I remember listening about the Koch Brothers on Behind the Bastards and how in the 80's they ran on a platform that would allow you to enslave yourself and sell yourself. Not violent slavery, no no, just for the poors you see.

Ice Phisherman has issued a correction as of 22:39 on Nov 21, 2019

crazy cloud
Nov 7, 2012

by Cyrano4747
Lipstick Apathy
https://twitter.com/CosechaMovement...ingawful.com%2F

Prester Jane
Nov 4, 2008

by Hand Knit

Lol this owns.

Also lol at my new AV. I purchased the text this morning to get rid of the old Trumpatar and it was less than 6 hours before someone added that image. (Weird they left my new text intact though.)

RandomPauI
Nov 24, 2006


Grimey Drawer
So WhiskeyWarrior556 is trending because the cops are trying to get someone to surrender guns they aren't allowed to have and the right-wing are treating it like the big grand standoff start of the next revolution because of course, they are.

Edit:

https://twitter.com/beinlibertarian/status/1198435045368881153

RandomPauI has issued a correction as of 04:57 on Nov 24, 2019

Captain_Maclaine
Sep 30, 2001

Every moment that I'm alive, I pray for death!

Ice Phisherman posted:

Do you have a link to this?

All I can think of as the mods drag him away is him screaming that we'll all rue the day and that his uncle works at Nintendo.

One thing Somfin did not mention is that Jrod has been permabanned previously for threatening to commit credit card fraud against Something Awful if he ever got banned again, and is currently living on the sufferance of Lightning Knight (who knows drat well he'll eventually kick Jrod out, once he ceases to be entertaining).

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
Always said the main thing with libertarians is they don't realise that they're already living in their own personal utopia, but they aren't the one on top of it.

It's one of those philosophies where mostly everyone still clinging to it is a ride-or-die lunatic idiot, since it became clear a while back that most libertarians are either embarassed Republicans, on their way to fascism (but I repeat myself) or on their way to socialism when they realise how many of their problems come down to the failures of liberalism.

Mayman10
May 11, 2019

RandomPauI posted:

So WhiskeyWarrior556 is trending because the cops are trying to get someone to surrender guns they aren't allowed to have and the right-wing are treating it like the big grand standoff start of the next revolution because of course, they are.

Edit:

https://twitter.com/beinlibertarian/status/1198435045368881153

He got arrested for a domestic incident felony warrant but no charges from the stand off. I'd love to see the libertarians try and do their "revolution"

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Mayman10 posted:

He got arrested for a domestic incident felony warrant but no charges from the stand off. I'd love to see the libertarians try and do their "revolution"

They do it every time they shoot a bunch of people in a school or at the park.

Prester Jane
Nov 4, 2008

by Hand Knit

Antifa Turkeesian posted:

They do it every time they shoot a bunch of people in a school or at the park.

It's exactly this. Why fight the revolution against targets that will probably kill you before you finish aiming your weapon? Much easier to fight by firing indiscriminately into a crowd of unarmed people.

Prester Jane
Nov 4, 2008

by Hand Knit
https://twitter.com/AynRandPaulRyan/status/1198952343233908736?s=19

https://twitter.com/DavidBrodyCBN/status/1199017474278207488?s=19

So this is incredibly dangerous because Trump's base really believes that he has some kind of divine appointment, and when he is inevitably removed from power (probably for medical reasons at this point) they are going to react incredibly violently.


They will perceive Trump's removal from power as The Enemy interfering with the will of the God-Force, to a degree that their minds will process as being apocalyptic, and they have been conditioned (for decades) to perceive such a traumatic* event as a trigger for what we now call stochastic terrorism.

*traumatic because they have been so conditioned by propaganda that Trump's removal from power will be experienced (psychologically) as a profane/direct attack on their individual identity of a severity difficult to appreciate for people who haven't spent time living in that mindset.

When The Enemy removes the God's Own chosen leader from power, the Trumpstaffel will no longer be able to envision a future for themselves- it will be an identity crisis being simultaneously experienced by tens of millions. They will work themselved themselves up into a blind rage and then lash out at any vulnerable group who happens to be within reach or in the news at the moment.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Can they really get that much more violent than they already are? They’re already butchering people monthly. Authoritarians of the classic Altemeyer kind are largely cowards if they think they’ll ever face any kind of consequence.

Prester Jane
Nov 4, 2008

by Hand Knit

Antifa Turkeesian posted:

Can they really get that much more violent than they already are? They’re already butchering people monthly. Authoritarians of the classic Altemeyer kind are largely cowards if they think they’ll ever face any kind of consequence.
In my view they are absolutely capable of greater violence+also incredible cowards, the difference here is just how much the direness of their internal rhetoric will increase once Trump is removed from power- their cowardice will melt away once they have sufficient encouragement from their social peer group or feel they have nothing left to live for and wish to use their life to make a statement ( as many of the recent perpetrators of stochastic terrorism have done).

Prester Jane
Nov 4, 2008

by Hand Knit
I have been quietly publishing the portions of my book that I feel are ready on my blog. The first few sections are much improved versions of material I've written before, but the shunning/violence cycles section is all new content.

Ice Phisherman
Apr 12, 2007

Swimming upstream
into the sunset



Prester Jane posted:

So this is incredibly dangerous because Trump's base really believes that he has some kind of divine appointment, and when he is inevitably removed from power (probably for medical reasons at this point) they are going to react incredibly violently.


They will perceive Trump's removal from power as The Enemy interfering with the will of the God-Force, to a degree that their minds will process as being apocalyptic, and they have been conditioned (for decades) to perceive such a traumatic* event as a trigger for what we now call stochastic terrorism.

*traumatic because they have been so conditioned by propaganda that Trump's removal from power will be experienced (psychologically) as a profane/direct attack on their individual identity of a severity difficult to appreciate for people who haven't spent time living in that mindset.

When The Enemy removes the God's Own chosen leader from power, the Trumpstaffel will no longer be able to envision a future for themselves- it will be an identity crisis being simultaneously experienced by tens of millions. They will work themselved themselves up into a blind rage and then lash out at any vulnerable group who happens to be within reach or in the news at the moment.

I wrote a thing on just this in the USPOL thread. It's long as poo poo and probably won't be well understood, but it's about the magical thinking required to believe that Trump is literally the chosen one in the vein of King David. Most people on these forums are not cultists and I had to take a good, long while to maybe explain enough to drop someone until a liminal state so they can begin to understand how big a deal this is. Understanding this on an intellectual level isn't enough. People live this. People breathe this. People will kill and die for this.

https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3899507&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=1247#post500314667

I feel like I'm too early for people to really receive this this at all, much less entertain the idea. At some point these cultists are going to start murdering people in a way that will be a lot like the fascists. Their rhetoric will be different but the results will be the same.

Ice Phisherman has issued a correction as of 06:11 on Nov 26, 2019

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
The question of consequences is an open one. Trump's a coward and upon losing he'll be out of the White House at the first possible second, with his staff probably stripping the copper on the way out. His supporters are another question.

If a centrist actually manages to win they'll probably try to appease Trump's supporters and fail horribly, leading to more violence, while a Sanders administration has every reason to actually crack down on them and make some public examples. (and while American cops are natural fascists, they're ultimately still thugs who will crack the heads they're told to, and most of the worst nazis are too loving dumb to realise the cops are their natural allies)

E-Tank
Aug 4, 2011

Prester Jane posted:

It's exactly this. Why fight the revolution against targets that will probably kill you before you finish aiming your weapon? Much easier to fight by firing indiscriminately into a crowd of unarmed people.

As Innuendo studios said. The last time they attempted to gather together and have leadership, Charlottesville happened. So now, why bother trying to bring them together when you can grift, and not. . .direct people to become mass shooters, but if the people you keep telling 'You're going to be miserable for the rest of your life, you have no prospects nor any hope of things getting better' keep on committing mass shootings. . .Well, I mean you can't blame them directly. They didn't *tell* them to do it, right?

Ghost Leviathan posted:

The question of consequences is an open one. Trump's a coward and upon losing he'll be out of the White House at the first possible second, with his staff probably stripping the copper on the way out. His supporters are another question.

Upon losing I wouldn't be surprised if Trump refused to recognize the election and declared it illegal, a sham, a witch hunt. because he knows if he's leaving the white house it's in handcuffs.

Captain_Maclaine
Sep 30, 2001

Every moment that I'm alive, I pray for death!

E-Tank posted:

Upon losing I wouldn't be surprised if Trump refused to recognize the election and declared it illegal, a sham, a witch hunt. because he knows if he's leaving the white house it's in handcuffs.

While I've no doubt he'd spend the rest of his life screaming on twitter and in person about how the election was stolen, I just don't see him having the stomach for that sort of direct confrontation. He is at core a blustering coward and for all his big talk always backs down when confronted directly. Additionally I think he genuinely believes he's untouchable and never has done anything wrong, and so he doesn't really believe he'll ever face any consequences for his actions. After all, he never has yet.

ScrubLeague
Feb 11, 2007

Nap Ghost
rich people don't go to jail unless they steal from other rich people. trump steals from poor people, so he will face no consequences.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
Trump is born and raised to be a narcissist, and the main game as a narcissist is to rewrite your reality to the most convenient narrative at any time and force everyone to play along. It's not necessarily a great political tactic, but it's much better than nothing. (Which is what centrist Democrats have)

E-Tank posted:

As Innuendo studios said. The last time they attempted to gather together and have leadership, Charlottesville happened. So now, why bother trying to bring them together when you can grift, and not. . .direct people to become mass shooters, but if the people you keep telling 'You're going to be miserable for the rest of your life, you have no prospects nor any hope of things getting better' keep on committing mass shootings. . .Well, I mean you can't blame them directly. They didn't *tell* them to do it, right?

It doesn't help this narrative has been a bipartisan thing- one side tells them they deserve their problems and it's all their own fault for not being good enough, the other one gives them a scapegoat, both actively suppress the people trying to tell them why their lives are miserable and they have no prospects.

Slamhound
Mar 27, 2010

Captain_Maclaine posted:

While I've no doubt he'd spend the rest of his life screaming on twitter and in person about how the election was stolen, I just don't see him having the stomach for that sort of direct confrontation. He is at core a blustering coward and for all his big talk always backs down when confronted directly. Additionally I think he genuinely believes he's untouchable and never has done anything wrong, and so he doesn't really believe he'll ever face any consequences for his actions. After all, he never has yet.
I think the problem with this view is the republicans themselves. They all love him, either him personally, or in the case of the McConnell/Grahm types; what he lets them do. I have no problem believing that the entirety of the republican party, top to bottom, would go all in on declaring that a Trump loss was rigged or unconstitutional or whatever. It's the direction they've been pushing for years.

And who would stop them? The democrats? The Supreme Court? Law Enforcement? Lol, lol, and lmao.

Captain_Maclaine
Sep 30, 2001

Every moment that I'm alive, I pray for death!

Slamhound posted:

I think the problem with this view is the republicans themselves. They all love him, either him personally, or in the case of the McConnell/Grahm types; what he lets them do. I have no problem believing that the entirety of the republican party, top to bottom, would go all in on declaring that a Trump loss was rigged or unconstitutional or whatever. It's the direction they've been pushing for years.

And who would stop them? The democrats? The Supreme Court? Law Enforcement? Lol, lol, and lmao.

Oh absolutely. I have no doubts that the GOP will go right back to the hard obstructionism that they practiced during Obama and Clinton's presidencies and do their level best to stop any governance happening at all (all while loudly proclaiming that the subsequent gridlock proves the illegitimacy of Democratic presidents generally and this one in particular). Which is why the only hope anyone really has is a president who's mobilized a mass popular movement to continue agitating for progressive policies and willing to engage in direct action to see it made law, as the McConnell/Graham set are also fundamentally cowards who only get away with their obstruction because they've never experienced meaningful pushback.

Gee, I wonder if there's anyone running as a Democrat right now who's been building such a movement for some time now?

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Jan 22, 2006




Ice Phisherman posted:

At some point these cultists are going to start murdering people in a way that will be a lot like the fascists. Their rhetoric will be different but the results will be the same.

They are just attempting recreate different broken myths of origin. To a large extent the question of which broken myth doesn't matter. The language and the symbols with which those myth express is going to differ, but it is the same process.

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