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Cessna posted:True, but I'm okay with shooting them.
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Nov 19, 2019 17:37
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Arquinsiel posted:Even if the person is a Nazi they're still a person. It's important to remember that they are 100% normal humans with the same rights and responsibilities as everyone else to prevent blindspots developing when assessing in-group behaviour. The 1st right is to get punched. The 2nd right is to an endless amount of shame and ridicule The 3rd right... You can treat anyone short of a nazi/white supremacist as a person but but that degree of racism surpasses any kind of humanitarianism. You cannot tolerate intolerance.
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Nov 19, 2019 19:14
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To be generous I'm reasonably sure Arq's point was more along the lines of "be careful not to monsterise nazis to the point where they're some fantasy cartoon villain like orcs, who you could never possibly understand appearing by any device other than spontaneous generation, because otherwise you miss the intermediate steps in people becoming nazis and societies becoming more nazi-like". And, that's fair because I'm pretty sure a major reason that we've got so many fuckin' nazis now is that people have been culturally trained to expect an army of aryan men in black uniforms goose-stepping down the road erupting out of nowhere, rather than a pernicious campaign of "We're like to do more for foreign people, but there's no resources", "We can't do more, they need to sort out their own problems", "We told everyone foreign to stop coming but there's still foreign people here, so, I have some sensible proposals-" that gradually slips into the public awareness.
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Nov 19, 2019 20:00
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DiHK posted:You can treat anyone short of a nazi/white supremacist as a person but but that degree of racism surpasses any kind of humanitarianism. You cannot tolerate intolerance. Normalizing dehumanization - the central tool of Nazism in legitimizing and reinforcing their hatred - in the name of fighting Nazism is counterproductive. Also while the PTRD/PTRS wasn't capable of doing much to the late-war German tank models other than shoot out optics and tracks, the Germans kept old vehicles in service for a very long time. The Panzer III was withdrawn from the frontlines in summer of 1944, and on a good day you can shoot through the side of a Panzer IV, which remained in production until the end of the war.
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Nov 19, 2019 20:07
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LatwPIAT posted:Also while the PTRD/PTRS wasn't capable of doing much to the late-war German tank models other than shoot out optics and tracks, Personally I'd think they'd be good at taking out a TC with his head out.
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Nov 19, 2019 20:34
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I started working on a M18 Hellcat to blow apart Class Warcraft's Nazi tanks. 
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Nov 19, 2019 20:45
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Zuul the Cat posted:I started working on a M18 Hellcat to blow apart Class Warcraft's Nazi tanks. That's a good looking Hellcat, they never got enough love in WW2 media imo. Also which kit is that from?
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Nov 19, 2019 21:30
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PinheadSlim posted:That's a good looking Hellcat, they never got enough love in WW2 media imo. Also which kit is that from? The Warlord Games one! My box arrived smashed up and a corner of the hull was chipped but I managed to fix it. Be careful putting the tracks on - make sure they're all going the right way. I really like the model. I think I'm going to test it out this Sunday. Curious to see how it performs with Recce.
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Nov 19, 2019 22:02
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spectralent posted:And, that's fair because I'm pretty sure a major reason that we've got so many fuckin' nazis now is that people have been culturally trained to expect an army of aryan men in black uniforms goose-stepping down the road erupting out of nowhere, rather than a pernicious campaign LatwPIAT posted:Normalizing dehumanization - the central tool of Nazism in legitimizing and reinforcing their hatred - in the name of fighting Nazism is counterproductive.
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Nov 19, 2019 22:43
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It's more about accountability. "They can't help it, they're nazis" eventually becomes accepted and that wrongly alleviates some of the blame. Never forget that they started as regular people who made a series of poor choices, trading their humanity in inches for something ignoble. Back to 1810s Russia for a minute, I'm really loving the idea of this peasant guy:  I've ordered some discount Warlord Russians (and French!) and a box of Perry Russians, and done some reading and research until they arrive. I have some spare Perry ACW Confederates I originally wanted to convert into WW2 partisans, but they might make better Russian irregulars with a little work. The (totally unofficial) Moscow book for Sharpe Practice (and a few other sources) suggest these were present, and I love the idea of modeling farmers with bows and pitchforks. Would they be treated in the rules as conscripts? And if so, would they have been issued (partial?) uniforms or just worn civilian clothes?
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Nov 20, 2019 00:58
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Yeah it seems to me that some people on the left overcorrect on the clean wehrmacht poo poo and forget that Germany didn't have an unfortunate crop of bad eggs born in the 1920s- normal people turn into nazis. That doesn't mean show the poor nazis mercy but to remember and recognize how you turn a regular kid at 10 into a fervent nazi soldier at 20, so it doesn't happen again. e: oh this isn't the fascism thread, oh well Edgar Allen Ho fucked around with this message at 01:55 on Nov 20, 2019 |
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Nov 20, 2019 01:51
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moths posted:The (totally unofficial) Moscow book for Sharpe Practice (and a few other sources) suggest these were present, and I love the idea of modeling farmers with bows and pitchforks. "Opolcheniya" is what you're looking for, peasant militia armed with anything from pitchforks to pikes:  Perry makes some: 
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For further info, opolcheniye just means "militia" but the russian-and-associated narodnoye opolcheniye have a long history of great units to model in basically any era where there is a Russia. There are the napoleonic ones, but they can also be from the 17th century or from the Great Patriotic War. Opolcheniya everywhere. e: also they get to be unfairly portrayed in certain games as the "one rifle per two men" organization. Edgar Allen Ho fucked around with this message at 05:10 on Nov 20, 2019 |
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Nov 20, 2019 05:03
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:For further info, opolcheniye just means "militia" but the russian-and-associated narodnoye opolcheniye have a long history of great units to model in basically any era where there is a Russia. There are the napoleonic ones, but they can also be from the 17th century or from the Great Patriotic War. Opolcheniya everywhere. No, those are Russian regulars/conscripts in... every AAA games.
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Nov 20, 2019 09:52
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It was worse than that in real life in some units - one soldier got the real rifle, but the other three (or even four!) soldiers in the unit had only two weaker secondary weapons between them for self-defence. Imagine going into battle unarmed and knowing that if the enemy get too close to you, your "comrades" nearby will hose you down with machinegun fire. Plus you have to clean loving Nazis out of your tracks.
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Nov 20, 2019 10:05
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90s Cringe Rock posted:It was worse than that in real life in some units - one soldier got the real rifle, but the other three (or even four!) soldiers in the unit had only two weaker secondary weapons between them for self-defence. Imagine going into battle unarmed and knowing that if the enemy get too close to you, your "comrades" nearby will hose you down with machinegun fire. 
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Nov 20, 2019 11:39
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There's a wide range of opolcheniye as well, from basically armed peasants defending their homes to more organized militias with officers and drill. I think a mixed force of conscripts, militia and both mounted and dismounted cossacks would make for an interesting force that still has enough firepower to not be completely outmatched.
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Nov 20, 2019 11:39
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90s Cringe Rock posted:It was worse than that in real life in some units - one soldier got the real rifle, but the other three (or even four!) soldiers in the unit had only two weaker secondary weapons between them for self-defence. Imagine going into battle unarmed and knowing that if the enemy get too close to you, your "comrades" nearby will hose you down with machinegun fire. 
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Nov 20, 2019 11:54
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 Sum cool Russian doods 1812
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Nazis are people and deserve a degree of sympathy, if only in recognizing how they became Nazis, and the fact that they could stop being Nazis in the future. Most Germans were Nazis for a while, and then stopped, because Nazism had been thoroughly beaten and exposed for the malignant societal ill that it is. Nazis should absolutely be met harshly at every point and Nazis engaging in public displays of Nazism should absolutely be punched. However, behind that punch should be a certain degree of sympathy, since the point of the punch is to help the Nazi to stop being a Nazi, and prevent others from becoming Nazis. Anyway, content: one of the challenges of 3d printing vehicles is that sometimes you only have the one file to print out the entire unit, so differentiating the models in the unit represents a bit of a modeling challenge. Traditionally, the leader of a unit of tanks in FOW is marked by having the tank commander visible in the open hatch. This wasn't possible on my Jagdpanthers, as the model I had had all the hatches closed and I didn't have the time, skill, or inclination to remodel the 3d file. So my JP unit leader is now marked by an extremely overenthusiastic Panzergrenadier in what is probably not a great firing position. WIP, obviously.  
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Nov 20, 2019 13:22
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Is that a big hole in the second TD from the right? Also, it's nice that the deposition layers make it look like they are covered in zimmerit. Really works for that era of vehicle.
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Nov 20, 2019 13:31
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Yeah. The models are hollow to save resin, but to do that you need to add a drainage hole so the liquid resin can drain out while printing. That one was the first one I did, and I forgot to add a drainage hole. So I had a hollow model full of uncured, liquid resin.  I took a drill to the bottom to make a hole. The drill slipped, punched through the bottom, and punched a hole into the roof. I'm gonna try to cover it with some camouflage foliage once I'm done painting them. If not, I'll just print a new one.
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You're not wrong.
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Geisladisk posted:Yeah. The models are hollow to save resin, but to do that you need to add a drainage hole so the liquid resin can drain out while printing. You took a power tool to that? Get a palm drill. I’ve been using one for decades to drill out space marine arms for magnets.
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Geisladisk posted:Yeah. The models are hollow to save resin, but to do that you need to add a drainage hole so the liquid resin can drain out while printing.
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Nov 20, 2019 15:43
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LingcodKilla posted:You took a power tool to that? Get a palm drill. I’ve been using one for decades to drill out space marine arms for magnets. I do have one, but my printer is in my garage. My modeling tolls are in my office. My power drill, however, is in my garage. "It'll be fine", the lazy part of my brain said.
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It *can* be fine, assuming the plastic is sturdy enough. I used to use an old Bosch hammer drill to drill gun barrels in my teens by very gently tapping the trigger to keep it at a low speed with a teeny bit. The knowledge that I'd likely loose a finger if I hosed up helped steady my hands I guess 
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Nov 20, 2019 17:08
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I use a dremel with really small bits on the lowest settings
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Nov 20, 2019 17:30
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Yikes at risk management. YOLO modeling!
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Nov 20, 2019 20:24
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Our rule is that it's only modeling if there's blood. Otherwise you're just playing with toys.
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Signal posted:Our rule is that it's only modeling if there's blood. Otherwise you're just playing with toys. Funnily enough the only time I ever cut myself while modelling was when I first got into the hobby and I was too lazy to find my clippers so I just used my x-acto blade to try to remove parts from a plastic sprue.
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I've drilled into a finger more times than I can count with a pin vise, but never once with a rotary tool. I think it is because I tend to exercise caution with powered tools, rather than modelling with wild abandon.
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Nov 20, 2019 22:50
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Yeah, I think the idea that a powertool can keep cutting when unsupervised is a major safety motivator that just doesn't apply to a plain old hand tool. Mostly I've been cutting myself with files these days 
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Arquinsiel posted:Yeah, I think the idea that a powertool can keep cutting when unsupervised is a major safety motivator that just doesn't apply to a plain old hand tool. Mostly I've been cutting myself with files these days That’s actually kinda impressive. Never managed that.
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The trick is to get one of the ones that's flat on one side and rounded on the other, so they come to a diamond-edged point at the sides. Then absentmindedly use your finger as a guide for it and be just a liiiiiiitle bit too enthusiastic.
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Finished up the Hellcat. Pretty happy with it but I need to work on my weathering control. Can’t wait to blow up some panzers.   
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Nov 21, 2019 06:19
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Blood makes the glue cure! EDIT: That Hellcat turned out great!
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Lots of great content in this thread lately. Good job goons! Here are my finished British and Danish brigs. I painted the flag edges as a finishing touch.     I also ordered plastic ratlines and elastic thread for rigging. I don't like the look of the clear acetate ratlines or the many slack lines in the rigging.
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