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While I'm not sold on the idea that Rose exists as a attempt to get Chinese money. You'd be a fool to not think corporate Hollywood isn't racist enough to think something abhorrent like "They all look alike, no one can tell the difference" or "All asians are a big hive mind with no national rivalries".
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Can't wait for Disney to remake Star Wars into something China-friendly, much like "The Meg" is an attempt to revamp "Jaws" for Chinese audiences.
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if disney was thinking about china they wouldn't have made every star wars they've made so far so incredibly reliant on seeing prior movies that never came out in china
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Even if it wasn't Disney's attempt, the Chinese people who I saw TLJ with said basically the following: 1. She's here to get money from us. 2. But she's not even Chinese, she's Vietnamese. 3. She's Asian, but did they make her look ugly on purpose? 4. Why didn't they swap actresses with her sister? They echoed the first point with Donnie Yen in Rogue One, but Donnie Yen's huge over there so they were fine with it. Brother Entropy posted:if disney was thinking about china they wouldn't have made every star wars they've made so far so incredibly reliant on seeing prior movies that never came out in china It all makes sense when you realize they want the China money in the laziest way possible, which fits how they've gone about the rest of the sequel films. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Horizon Burning posted:just like her kissing finn, disney didn't understand how or why that would be an issue to the chinese audience Fair enough
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Nov 21, 2019 00:19
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euphronius posted:Without getting into the argument of whether they were “dumb animals” or whether that matters or whether we should have solidarity with all living things or whether the movie is challenging a western audiences conceptions about the status of “animals”- without getting into that- the movie makes it clear that rose identifies explicitly with the “horses” (I forget their dumb alien name) and to her at least they were worthy of emancipation and their emancipation Mirrors her own liberation from the oppression of the first order . So it works on that level for sure Let's not put the cart before the horse here: Rose and Finn loosened the animals from their chains out of necessity to escape their own self-inflicted predicament. It was only in retrospect that this narrative of universal emancipation was smugly celebrated by our duo.
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“Rose” is also a hella weird Star Wars name. That’s an earth plant. Everyone else is called Poe Dameron or Kitt Fisto orLando Calrissian or Boba Fett. She’s Rose.
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Nov 21, 2019 03:31
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Luke. Ben. Owen. Finn. Tobias. Max. [edit] I forgot Dexter.
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KVeezy3 posted:Let's not put the cart before the horse here: Rose and Finn loosened the animals from their chains out of necessity to escape their own self-inflicted predicament. It was only in retrospect that this narrative of universal emancipation was smugly celebrated by our duo. I disagree the connection between rose and the quadruped people was stingy made earlier She was chasing their liberation early on
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teagone posted:Luke. Ben. Owen. Finn. Tobias. Max. They aren’t all Gial Akbar, but Luke is clearly named for Lucas and Finn is a flattened acronym. The others are pretty plain by our standards. Rose just sticks out because the etymology is so clearly from an earth “thing” you know?
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I’ve read a bunch how Star Wars movies do very poorly in China, compared to most other American major franchises
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euphronius posted:I disagree the connection between rose and the quadruped people was stingy made earlier im confused about what point you’re making here nobody afaik is saying it wasn’t in character or was out of nowhere that rose saved the space horses. she’s all about saving those space horses and trashing the casino edit: oh i see the post now. yeah it’s not post hoc, the movie and characters definitely do think its a very big deal what they’ve accomplished here
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Mandrel posted:im confused about what point you’re making here Right She she also connects with the youngling “human” there who ends up in the last shot of the movie who defines a hopeful interpretation of the new resistance’s Hope in the universe (which JJ will ignore for a dumb comic book mashup) So we talked about him and that lead to horse chat
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well why not posted:They aren’t all Gial Akbar, but Luke is clearly named for Lucas and Finn is a flattened acronym. The others are pretty plain by our standards. Rose just sticks out because the etymology is so clearly from an earth “thing” you know? And what the hell's a 'Falcon'?!
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well why not posted:They aren’t all Gial Akbar, but Luke is clearly named for Lucas and Finn is a flattened acronym. The others are pretty plain by our standards. Rose just sticks out because the etymology is so clearly from an earth “thing” you know? Do they even have falcons on Corellia?
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Nov 21, 2019 04:23
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Angry Salami posted:And what the hell's a 'Falcon'?! The second part of the name of a large prop. It’s often proceeded with Millenium which we have too. We also have Sky and Walking but the mashup makes it more Star Wars. I’m not saying TLJ / Rose is bad I just find it’s a weird name for SW. I wonder what the origin is. I hope it’s not just a pretty flower for a girl but it probably is!
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euphronius posted:Right do you think the new resistance’s hope for the universe involve freeing that kid at some point or just horses
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We're all going to feel really silly rooting for that kid when it turns out that he is the new Space Hitler in the new Disney EU
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Mandrel posted:do you think the new resistance’s hope for the universe involve freeing that kid at some point or just horses It’s unclear what your question is. The hope isn’t what the leaders hope . That’s not the important hope. The hope that is important is the stable kid s hope . That means (in the context of the movie ) they win because they created hope which kills Sith This will all be erased by JJ abrams I know
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Nov 21, 2019 04:40
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Name a Sith in canon who was killed by hope
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Bogus Adventure posted:Name a Sith in canon who was killed by hope ??? Snoke ??
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euphronius posted:??? Snoke ?? snoke was neither a sith nor was he killed by hope 3 pinocchios
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euphronius posted:??? Snoke ?? Brother Entropy posted:snoke was neither a sith nor was he killed by hope
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Brother Entropy posted:snoke was neither a sith nor was he killed by hope I really question if anyone watched the movie
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Nov 21, 2019 04:50
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Vader , sidious Also killed by hope
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euphronius posted:I really question if anyone watched the movie if snoke was killed by any non-corporeal concept it's hubris
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euphronius posted:Vader , sidious Sidious isn't dead. Vader died from Sith Lightning.
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Brother Entropy posted:if snoke was killed by any non-corporeal concept it's hubris He literally stands up mid stage and soliloquies about how hope is the only thing he fears and lmao that’s what does him in
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Snoke isn't dead either to be fair
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Bogus Adventure posted:Sidious isn't dead. Im not confronting JJ 9 until I have to It’s not out yet let me be
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euphronius posted:He literally stands up mid stage and soliloquies about how hope is the only thing he fears and lmao that’s what does him in so kylo stands for hope? that's an interesting take but i don't really think it's one the movie itself agrees with
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Nov 21, 2019 04:58
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Luke’s hope is 100% a proximate cause of Vader’s death a New Hope
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Brother Entropy posted:so kylo stands for hope? that's an interesting take but i don't really think it's one the movie itself agrees with No Rey is the hope Jesus Christ did you watch the movie She is the New Jedi
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euphronius posted:Im not confronting JJ 9 until I have to I have to live in a reality with the Sequel Trilogy and the JJ Treks. I have no sympathy.
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euphronius posted:No Rey is the hope who do you think killed snoke
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Kylo is the hope for all the garbage heroes to be killed. That's the hope I feel in my heart every day
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Bogus Adventure posted:I have to live in a reality with the Sequel Trilogy and the JJ Treks. I have no sympathy. When 9 comes out I promise I’ll come back and revise and say I was dumb and wrong and (JJ is a hack)
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Nov 21, 2019 05:01
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Kylo gives me hope for more shirtless Kylo memes.
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Brother Entropy posted:who do you think killed snoke But for Rey he’d still be alive She’s a proximate cause of his death That’s what he was referring to about hope . He predicts his own death
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euphronius posted:When 9 comes out I promise I’ll come back and revise and say I was dumb and wrong and (JJ is a hack) Fair dues
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