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Filipino posted:If being stiched to them for a short period of time is causing you harm you have the right to remove the stitch. Mothers can have their pregnant uterus removed if there is a tumor growing on it. But wait, that means you are going to cause greater harm to someone than they’d cause to you though...
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Filipino posted:If being stiched to them for a short period of time is causing you harm you have the right to remove the stitch. Mothers can have their pregnant uterus removed if there is a tumor growing on it. This isn't even very far removed from the metaphor, dipshit. Please tell me why it is okay, in your morality, to "remove the stitch" and kill this other person, simply because it is "causing you harm."
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Nov 21, 2019 10:06
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Filipino posted:Every child has the right to be taken care of by their parents. Oh so other people are forced to take care of others? Who is going to enforce that?
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Nov 21, 2019 10:07
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You shouldn’t be forced at gunpoint to do something someone else says, except taking care of children, you absolutely should be forced at gunpoint for that.
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Nov 21, 2019 10:08
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Filipino posted:My rights are inherient in my humanity. All human persons have rights, including the unborn. Please demonstrate this to be true, and why. And show your work.
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Nov 21, 2019 10:08
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TLM3101 posted:Please demonstrate this to be true, and why. Countdown for him to drop the word "axiom" without understanding its meaning
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Nov 21, 2019 10:09
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TLM3101 posted:Please demonstrate this to be true, and why. Something cannot both be and not be in the same time in the same respect. Prove that. It's a first principle. It cannot be proven.
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Nov 21, 2019 10:11
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Filipino posted:Something cannot both be and not be in the same time in the same respect. Prove that. Define a human then.
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Nov 21, 2019 10:13
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Somfin posted:Define a human then. No. I dont waste my time.
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Nov 21, 2019 10:14
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Filipino posted:No. I dont waste my time. Coward.
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Nov 21, 2019 10:15
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Filipino posted:Every child has the right to be taken care of by their parents. This is very inconsistent with property rights and self ownership.
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Nov 21, 2019 10:17
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Somfin posted:Coward. You know what human means. Stop wasting my time.
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Nov 21, 2019 10:17
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Filipino posted:You know what human means. Stop wasting my time. I know what human means and fetuses aren't it.
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Nov 21, 2019 10:18
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Filipino posted:Something cannot both be and not be in the same time in the same respect. Prove that. So you can't prove it. You're not even going to make the attempt to prove it. And you're just going to pronounce on them as if they were true. Excellent. This being the case, why should I give your pronouncements on these so-called 'rights' that you claim are inherent in your humanity any credence whatsoever, over, say... unicorns?
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Nov 21, 2019 10:18
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OwlFancier posted:This is very inconsistent with property rights and self ownership. Human beings can never be property.
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Nov 21, 2019 10:18
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Filipino posted:You know what human means. Stop wasting my time. I think a criteria to being human is being born.
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Nov 21, 2019 10:18
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Filipino posted:Human beings can never be property. You literally opened this by posting a video about "self ownership" your entire conception of rights is centered around property.
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Nov 21, 2019 10:19
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TLM3101 posted:So you can't prove it. You can believe in unicorns instead of human rights. Youre a loving smoothbrained pissbaby if you do but oh well.
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Nov 21, 2019 10:19
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You can believe in human rights instead of unicorns. You’re a loving smoothbrained piss baby if you do but oh well.
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Nov 21, 2019 10:23
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Filipino posted:You can believe in unicorns instead of human rights. Youre a loving smoothbrained pissbaby if you do but of well. I mean, you're the one making the claim that there are rights inherent to someone's humanity. If you can't be arsed to defend the existence of these supposed rights or even make the smallest, token effort to define or prove them, well....
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Nov 21, 2019 10:23
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Filipino posted:You know what human means. Stop wasting my time. Filipino posted:My rights are inherient in my humanity. All human persons have rights, including the unborn. If one of my moral first principles included a word twice I sure as hell would want to be able to say what that word actually meant and the extent of entities which were covered by it. Does a corpse have rights? Is a dog a human for the purposes of having inherent rights? Do fictional humans have rights? As a writer have I committed murder by writing a scene in which a human dies? Is a black person human in your morality? I ask because some thinkers have defined things otherwise. How about a disabled person? Same reason. What about someone who has a different chromosome count from the standard 46- they're genetically distinct from standard, do they qualify? How much of a human body can be replaced by mechanical parts before you would consider them meaningfully distinct enough to remove their rights? Filipino posted:Human beings can never be property. Oh buddy there are a bunch of people in the world right now who would beg to differ with you.
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Nov 21, 2019 10:23
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I, of course, can construct arguments either for or against abortion and I can also articulate concepts of rights that have bugger all to do with property and ownership but that's because I'm not a libertarian and I don't cetner my worldview around property.
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Nov 21, 2019 10:24
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At exactly what point in the twinning process are there two distinct human beings who have independent sets of rights instead of a single fetus?
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Nov 21, 2019 10:27
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You also have the right to shoot an abortionist to stop him just as if the abortionist were about to kill a 10yo child.
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Nov 21, 2019 10:32
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Filipino posted:You also have the right to shoot an abortionist to stop him just as if the abortionist were about to kill a 10yo child. I disagree.
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Nov 21, 2019 10:33
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Filipino posted:You also have the right to shoot an abortionist to stop him just as if the abortionist were about to kill a 10yo child. Yeah you're not getting away from this.
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Nov 21, 2019 10:33
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Filipino posted:You also have the right to shoot an abortionist to stop him just as if the abortionist were about to kill a 10yo child. Didn't you say nobody has a right to enforce anything at gunpoint? I guess you don't believe in human rights, and that makes you a smoothbrained pissbaby.
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Nov 21, 2019 10:35
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Ratoslov posted:Didn't you say nobody has a right to enforce anything at gunpoint? I guess you don't believe in human rights, and that makes you a smoothbrained pissbaby. Only the State doesn’t have the right to do that, Lone Cowboys can just shoot people due to inherent rights.
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Nov 21, 2019 10:37
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Sounds to me like the quarrel is between the baby and the abortionist I don't see why you have any right to go enforcing your morals on other people's business.
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Nov 21, 2019 10:38
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OwlFancier posted:Sounds to me like the quarrel is between the baby and the abortionist I don't see why you have any right to go enforcing your morals on other people's business. If the abortionist were about to kill a 10 yo child i could stop him with force. Same for the unborn.
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Nov 21, 2019 10:39
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Why he's not infringing on your rights I don't see why you have the right to go around enforcing your moral code on everyone like some kind of state. Surely if the child owns themselves they should be protecting themselves and if they don't they've clearly abdicated responsibility.
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Nov 21, 2019 10:40
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Filipino posted:If the abortionist were about to kill a 10 yo child i could stop him with force. Same for the unborn. You a cop or something? Who gave you that right?
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Nov 21, 2019 10:41
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Filipino posted:If the abortionist were about to kill a 10 yo child i could stop him with force. Same for the unborn. Answer the twinning question
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Nov 21, 2019 10:41
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Somfin posted:Answer the twinning question Ive never thought about it. Monozygotic (identical) twins will have the same blood type, with a few very rare exceptions. Dizygotic (fraternal) twins may have the same blood type, or they may have different types. Therefore, it may be concluded that twins with differing blood types are dizygotic, or fraternal.
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... oh. OH! Ahahahahahaha. Okay, I see now. We're doing Libertarian Lightning-Round Idiocy. Check their post-history. 
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Nov 21, 2019 10:44
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Filipino posted:Ive never thought about it. At what point in the twinning process of identical twins are there two distinct humans
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Nov 21, 2019 10:45
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Filipino posted:Every child has the right to be taken care of by their parents. Every human has the right to be taken care of by their society.
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Nov 21, 2019 10:45
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See I, of course, rejecting the concept of self ownership, can construct plenty of arguments about why I'm both allowed and obligated to intervene in other people's business, but I really don't see a moral basis for it under the concept that everyone owns themselves and their property and all exchanges between them must be entirely voluntary.
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Nov 21, 2019 10:45
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Somfin posted:At what point in the twinning process of identical twins are there two distinct humans Conception.
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Filipino posted:Conception. You know that twinning is a random process, right?
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