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I don't think there is any possible reading where "that sounds like it might deter someone" would imply disapproval, from a legal perspective. The whole point of it is to deter people.
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Sorry if I was unclear, I don't see this as a Vic win, its more like the judge is saying "I'm already charging him 500k+ I think that is sufficient deterrence and you want me to add onto that?" Basically I see it as they are getting their full legal fees but not additional punitive sanctions. There is some back and forth later when Lemoine brings up the GFM like Chupp is considering it though so who knows really.   Edit:Lemoine is angling for more sanctions because of Beards misconduct but it doesn't really sound like Chupp is going for it. Hub Cat fucked around with this message at 04:31 on Nov 19, 2019 |
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I bet ISWV is running victory laps because now that one con person doesn't have to admit he committed purgery.
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Its hard to call it one way or another, basically the judge isnt letting them gather new evidence to support the misconduct at this stage, but hes said in the thing that if it becomes relevant he may change his mind, but he feels they have a better chance by bringing up the gfm
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The Judge also kind of subtly implied that 'The Hellfiling' (Plantif's response to the TCPA) should be substantial enough in proving sanctions, though you could read that in favor of — or against — additional sanctions on top of all the nonsense involved with that.
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Is my understanding correct in that Vic is basically asking the court to now please punch him in the dick a bit harder?
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Wasabi the J posted:Is my understanding correct in that Vic is basically asking the court to now please punch him in the dick a bit harder? Not sure which part you mean? There's a couple of things going on: The main case is Vic vs. Funi et all it is currently at all charges are dismissed under the TCPA act and awaiting the final ruling on the Fees and Sanctions as to what Vic owes. The Defendant's lawyers have submitted their bills and its just waiting on the hearing scheduled on Thursday the 21st (likely to be pushed back by the continuance Vic's team asked for) the Vic side will probably submit written responses to the Fee motions(although they don't have to). This part can't really get any worse for Vic although Lemoine(one of the defense lawyers) is trying to depose Slatosch so he can get on record 1)Beard knew the case was frivolous to begin with (the tortious interference didn't happen/the def's tweets didn't cause him to cancel the contract with Vic and Beard knew this the whole time.) 2)Beard/Slatosch possibly committed perjury a couple different times. This would be disastrous for the appeal/possibly result in more sanctions. The other thing going on is the appeal of the TCPA dismissals where Beard and co are going to argue the judge hosed up give us a do-over/reduce our fees and sanctions please, which is probably not going to go anywhere(because the record Beard established is total garbage) and will cost Vic more money paying Beard and the defendant's lawyers wasting everyone's time, there is an outside chance that they might decide to reduce what Vic owes for whatever reason. The worst possible outcome is actually probably the appeals court overturns 1-2 of the counts and returns them to the lower court where they die to summary judgement wasting the maximum amount of money and time. The expected outcome is everything upheld go away. (Beard kind of hosed this up by filing early but it didn't really hurt anything and likely they are just going to drop it/have it get dropped by the appeal court and redo it after Chupp rules on what Vic owes burning about 6 grand in fees completely due to incompetence) TL/DR: Lawyers get paid everybody else loses thanks legal system(the defendants get screwed slightly less because Vic is gonna pay their bill but they still lost work and got harassed.)Vic of course deserves it but only got it because of dumbness. Vic is out 500K+ and its gonna cost more if he actually does the appeal which he will definitely lose. Hub Cat fucked around with this message at 14:56 on Nov 20, 2019 |
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https://twitter.com/shane_holmberg/status/1197166311429808128 As somebody summed it up in the responses, the lawyers are saying Beard and his crew shouldn't have extra time because they're stupid.
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My mom works in the Tarrant County courthouse as a proofreader for the criminal court. Since this is civil she doesn't know much about what's going on but she knows a few people (has worked with Chupp a few times). She told me she'd be willing to ask around if I have questions but she needs more details. I've got the case name, the district court clerk (who she would know), the counsel, and the judge's name. That'll be enough but I am mostly interested in hearing how people are reacting to Ty Beard. Unfortunately I don't have a good summary of just how bad Ty Beard is though. I think she would need that to know who to ask. The twitter threads would be too much for her to figure out. Is there a similar summary of his terribleness which isn't on twitter?
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e: actually yeah what everyone else said
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I don't think we need your mum to actively ask questions
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yeah i feel like you might be a tad overinvested in this
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Probably a bad idea to have your mom asking around about the guy that did a death threat video. Definitely not necessary thanks. Hub Cat fucked around with this message at 16:08 on Nov 21, 2019 |
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it is well established that the legally literal poop likes to touch back in this case, please do not use your family as a stick
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https://twitter.com/shane_holmberg/status/1197530757151035392 Minutes before the hearing.
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Dawgstar posted:https://twitter.com/shane_holmberg/status/1197530757151035392 quote:Defendant has PROJECTING MUCH GUYS edit: Sorry boys I don't think the "accuse the other side of exactly what you are doing to confuse the issue" thing the alt right loves to employ is gonna pay off for you in a cort of law with specific evidence.... but nice try.
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Some analysis : https://twitter.com/questauthority/status/1197538902871072773
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 Probably not as much of an own as they think it is.
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They spent a WEEK preparing for a big lawsuit!
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I wish there was a video of Beards colossal failure at deposing Ron that didn't have Rekeita yelling over it.
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Laughing uproariously at the notion that 50 hours is a lot of time to prepare for a depo.
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*Files a response minutes before the relevant hearing* We are good because we did not spend a lot of time on this
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Dawgstar posted:https://twitter.com/shane_holmberg/status/1197530757151035392 e: my favourite part: quote:19. Defendant’s billing entries include excessive attorney rates. Specifically, Mr. Orozco, an attorney licensed for only eighteen (18) months, is charging an hourly rate of $410.00 per hour. By way of comparison, Mr. Volney, a partner who has been practicing for decades, has a rate of $500.00, only $90.00 greater than Mr. Orozco’s rate. Clearly, Mr. Orozco’s rate is in excess of what is reasonable based on his limited experience. Plaintiff asks the Court to provide an appropriate reduction to Mr. Orozco’s fees in this case. and then there's complaining about a lack of evidence re: sanctions when THE HEARING IS TOMORROW e2: wait poo poo it's tonight? i swore it was friday Wiggly Wayne DDS fucked around with this message at 18:03 on Nov 21, 2019 |
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the hearing is right now
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list of people at the hearing: https://twitter.com/greg_doucette/lists/threadnought-sanctions-2 going to have to wait for breaks though https://twitter.com/IgnoreGirl/status/1197551020244647936
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Wiggly Wayne DDS posted:that's a hail mary and a half, especially complaining about the counsel of multiple defendants having a conference call and billing individually. or one party taking 0.7h to prep and a different party 0.3h, almost as if they had different clients and evidence to examine after a frivolous suit was filed  
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Break time. https://twitter.com/bentwhee/status/1197573220393717761 https://twitter.com/ottovonbisbark/status/1197572746974236674 https://twitter.com/ottovonbisbark/status/1197573697923624961
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oh my loving god https://twitter.com/estockbridge/status/1197575980887552000
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https://twitter.com/ottovonbisbark/status/1197575429424590848 all complaints about the fees and sanctions got filed btw: https://twitter.com/questauthority/status/1197558837005430784
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oh god they were still filing until at least 9:23am: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1IiPkRmQT4UtlY39mDlYsK2BvnQDYtuUd/view https://twitter.com/questauthority/status/1197572358116192261 we're going to find more filings still in the queue after this is over right e: hold up where's the date that should be next to submission signoff? shouldn't that be after the prayer and before the certificate of service? is that required or just the norm? Wiggly Wayne DDS fucked around with this message at 19:20 on Nov 21, 2019 |
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Ignoring what year is it, imagine being in your fifties and having frosted tips.
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Skwirl posted:Ignoring what year is it, imagine being in your fifties and having frosted tips. Wait, when did Guy Fieri get involved?
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Wiggly Wayne DDS posted:oh god they were still filing until at least 9:23am: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1IiPkRmQT4UtlY39mDlYsK2BvnQDYtuUd/view Did they seriously object to Volney et al.'s resumes as hearsay. 
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The general rule is that you should expect that the prep time for a proceeding is at least twice as the actual time spent in the proceeding- such as a deposition/trial whatever. This poo poo's not like TV were people just show up to trial and do it off the cuff or whatever. Pretty dumb comment
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Monaghan posted:The general rule is that you should expect that the prep time for a proceeding is at least twice as the actual time spent in the proceeding- such as a deposition/trial whatever. This poo poo's not like TV were people just show up to trial and do it off the cuff or whatever. "At least" is right. For my last deposition, I prepped with two attorneys for ~20 hours, so 60 billed to the client in total. The depo itself took 3.
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