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Jethro: Jun 1, 2000; I was raised on the dairy, Bitch!

You say that like it's not working as intended.

# ? Nov 19, 2019 22:45

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# ? Jun 5, 2024 22:54

Soricidus: Oct 21, 2010; freedom-hating statist shill

I still want to know where you�re all living that your neighbors have passwordless wifi. I don�t think I�ve seen that kind of thing for years, since all the isps started handing out routers with preset wpa2 passwords

# ? Nov 20, 2019 01:27

The Fool: Oct 16, 2003

Every consumer router that I'm aware of has a default wpa psk as well.

# ? Nov 20, 2019 01:29

spiritual bypass: Feb 19, 2008; Grimey Drawer

For some reason I have like 25 visible aps in my historic house (small lots) and about a quarter of them are unencrypted

# ? Nov 20, 2019 01:43

DaTroof: Nov 16, 2000; CC LIMERICK CONTEST GRAND CHAMPION
There once was a poster named Troof
Who was getting quite long in the toof

I just checked out of curiosity and found at least one unsecured wifi network available from a neighbor from inside my house without trying real hard. if you have a device that automatically connects to poo poo like that, please reconsider using that device

# ? Nov 20, 2019 01:55

Thermopyle: Jul 1, 2003; ...the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt. �Bertrand Russell

I'm sure public unprotected wifi networks are super uncommon, but then again a lot of TVs are being bought!

I'm tempted to drive around with an unprotected wifi hotspot and see how many things connect to it...

Thermopyle fucked around with this message at 03:12 on Nov 20, 2019

# ? Nov 20, 2019 02:03

DaTroof: Nov 16, 2000; CC LIMERICK CONTEST GRAND CHAMPION
There once was a poster named Troof
Who was getting quite long in the toof

Thermopyle posted:

I'm sure they're public unprotected wifi networks are super uncommon, but then again a lot of TVs are being bought!

I'm tempted to drive around with an unprotected wifi hotspot and see how many things connect to it...

My city's buses have unsecured wifi now. It's cool that they offer the service, but it's not so cool that your TV might use it to share poo poo you didn't intend to share just because a bus drove past your house.

# ? Nov 20, 2019 03:01

spiritual bypass: Feb 19, 2008; Grimey Drawer

I wonder if it's possible to open the case and snip the antenna

# ? Nov 20, 2019 03:36

Spatial: Nov 15, 2007

I would guess they are chip antennas mounted on the PCB (cheaper). Of course you could always cut the traces with a knife.

# ? Nov 20, 2019 04:55

Xik: Mar 10, 2011; Dinosaur Gum

If you're going to that much effort you might as well just use a monitor and receiver instead of a TV

# ? Nov 20, 2019 06:39

Carbon dioxide: Oct 9, 2012

My mac-using coworker had a weird problem the other day where git got all kinds of hosed up.

Turns out it was caused by a mac OS update.

And turns out that she had the same problem exactly a year ago to the day, also caused by a mac OS update.

The only difference is that last year it took Apple 2 days to roll out a bugfix update, this time it took them only half a day.

# ? Nov 20, 2019 07:51

QuarkJets: Sep 8, 2008

just enclose your tv in a faraday cage like any reasonable adult normally does

# ? Nov 20, 2019 08:48

Ola: Jul 19, 2004

Just don't own a TV. Your living room gets bigger and anything worth watching is streamable anyway. Want a big screen? Pull the laptop closer. Want to watch with your friends? Just don't have friends.

# ? Nov 20, 2019 08:54

QuarkJets: Sep 8, 2008

i like to stream things on my tv

for this i use an actual computer connected to a networkless tv via an hdmi cable

# ? Nov 20, 2019 09:23

Volguus: Mar 3, 2009

QuarkJets posted:

i like to stream things on my tv

for this i use an actual computer connected to a networkless tv via an hdmi cable

I wonder if I would be even able to buy a dumb TV (networkless at least) once the one I have kicks the bucket. Do they sell them anymore?

# ? Nov 20, 2019 14:26

NihilCredo: Jun 6, 2011; iram omni possibili modo preme:
plus una illa te diffamabit, quam multæ virtutes commendabunt

Ola posted:

Just don't own a TV. Your living room gets bigger and anything worth watching is streamable anyway. Want a big screen? Pull the laptop closer. Want to watch with your friends? Just don't have friends.

Buy a projector instead of a TV and make friends by being the cool guy with a home cinema.

# ? Nov 20, 2019 15:19

Munkeymon: Aug 14, 2003; Motherfucker's got an
armor-piercing crowbar! Rigoddamndicu𝜆ous.

Volguus posted:

I wonder if I would be even able to buy a dumb TV (networkless at least) once the one I have kicks the bucket. Do they sell them anymore?

Yes, they're usually "signage" models.

# ? Nov 20, 2019 15:33

streetlamp: May 7, 2007; Danny likes his party hat
He does not like his banana hat

# ? Nov 21, 2019 05:34

Hammerite: Mar 9, 2007; And you don't remember what I said here, either, but it was pompous and stupid.; Jade Ear Joe

streetlamp posted:

what kind of post is this? is it a "I came across this code and the person who wrote it wasn't deliberately writing bad/contrived code, wtf" or is it "php does something other than what you'd expect from reading the code, wtf"?

It looks like it should print "j hit 17" but I can't be arsed to find an online sandbox and type all that in off the image to check

# ? Nov 21, 2019 11:17

putin is a cunt: Apr 5, 2007; BOY DO I SURE ENJOY TRASH. THERE'S NOTHING MORE I LOVE THAN TO SIT DOWN IN FRONT OF THE BIG SCREEN AND EAT A BIIIIG STEAMY BOWL OF SHIT. WARNER BROS CAN COME OVER TO MY HOUSE AND ASSFUCK MY MOM WHILE I WATCH AND I WOULD CERTIFY IT FRESH, NO QUESTION

Hammerite posted:

what kind of post is this? is it a "I came across this code and the person who wrote it wasn't deliberately writing bad/contrived code, wtf" or is it "php does something other than what you'd expect from reading the code, wtf"?

It looks like it should print "j hit 17" but I can't be arsed to find an online sandbox and type all that in off the image to check

My thought is the latter and I can't wait to hear what the weird behaviour is because I bet it's hilariously absurd

# ? Nov 21, 2019 11:35

Sagacity: May 2, 2003; Hopefully my epitaph will be funnier than my custom title.

streetlamp posted:

The Aristocrats!

# ? Nov 21, 2019 11:35

Trammel: Dec 31, 2007; .

Volguus posted:

I wonder if I would be even able to buy a dumb TV (networkless at least) once the one I have kicks the bucket. Do they sell them anymore?

Aldi used to sell very large, very cheap, dumb TVs that simply turn on without a fanfare, and have 4-5 HDMI ports to run your Chromecast + whatever. No OS at all. The speakers are poo poo, so you'll need your own soundbar or something.

# ? Nov 21, 2019 13:02

darthbob88: Oct 13, 2011; YOSPOS

a hot gujju bhabhi posted:

My thought is the latter and I can't wait to hear what the weird behaviour is because I bet it's hilariously absurd

I just ran it through this sandbox, and yeah, "j hit 17".

code:

<?php
        //Enter your code here, enjoy!
for ($i = 0, $j = 50; $i< 100; $i++) {
    while ($j--) {
        if ($j == 17) goto end;
    }
}
echo "i = $i";
end: 
    echo "j hit 17";

# ? Nov 21, 2019 17:52

Ola: Jul 19, 2004

What's the weird thing? I've only written a tiny bit of php for assignments. I guess $j-- is truthy or not-falsy and gets evaluated until the goto statement runs, so it does what it says it'll do?

# ? Nov 21, 2019 17:57

nielsm: Jun 1, 2009

Just looks like code written by someone with a very bad understanding of language semantics, probably not able to follow linear execution of code and keep track of initialization and modification order of multiple variables. Or it may be somewhat thoughtful, written to explore how things work, "what happens if you put a while loop inside a for loop".

# ? Nov 21, 2019 18:05

Ola: Jul 19, 2004

nielsm posted:

Just looks like code written by someone with a very bad understanding of language semantics, probably not able to follow linear execution of code and keep track of initialization and modification order of multiple variables. Or it may be somewhat thoughtful, written to explore how things work, "what happens if you put a while loop inside a for loop".

I mean yeah it looks like something written by a teenager just progressing past echo "breasts" //hehe but unless it's Facebook production code or something, is that so horrible? I like the comment in the sandbox quote. Just enter your code there and enjoy!

# ? Nov 21, 2019 18:16

susan b buffering: Nov 14, 2016

That�s an example from the php docs on the goto statement.

# ? Nov 21, 2019 19:43

Hammerite: Mar 9, 2007; And you don't remember what I said here, either, but it was pompous and stupid.; Jade Ear Joe

skull mask mcgee posted:

That�s an example from the php docs on the goto statement.

lol ok, this is the context that was needed to make it funny

https://www.php.net/manual/en/control-structures.goto.php

there's a simple and pedagogically justifiable example involving a goto that skips a statement, then that bizarre loop example, then another weirdly overcomplicated example demonstrating that php's goto doesn't allow you to jump into a loop.

# ? Nov 22, 2019 00:31

SupSuper: Apr 8, 2009; At the Heart of the city is an Alien horror, so vile and so powerful that not even death can claim it.

I assume it's just to clarify you can goto out of different nested loop statements (but not the other way).

# ? Nov 22, 2019 04:25

Hammerite: Mar 9, 2007; And you don't remember what I said here, either, but it was pompous and stupid.; Jade Ear Joe

SupSuper posted:

I assume it's just to clarify you can goto out of different nested loop statements (but not the other way).

is there any risk that if you showed an example of jumping out of a single loop statement, people would be confused about whether they can jump out of nested ones?

regardless, the nested loop they came up with is bizarre. Why write all that obtuse nonsense instead of something that's simpler and looks like loops you might actually write in real-world imperative code?

The whole page is poorly thought-out. It has that XKCD comic of a velociraptor attacking someone who writes a goto statement, but it doesn't explain to the reader why they might want to avoid using goto. It just includes that comic for a laff. But most of the page is apparently for someone who is so green to programming that they need it explained to them what goto is and how it works. If someone needs that explained to them, then they probably need it explained to them why they shouldn't use goto, too, and the comic is going to be a non sequitur to them.

# ? Nov 22, 2019 11:29

Munkeymon: Aug 14, 2003; Motherfucker's got an
armor-piercing crowbar! Rigoddamndicu𝜆ous.

Hammerite posted:

is there any risk that if you showed an example of jumping out of a single loop statement, people would be confused about whether they can jump out of nested ones?

It's PHP, where break 0; and break 1; mean the same thing. Anything can randomly not work.

# ? Nov 22, 2019 15:48

Arsenic Lupin: Apr 12, 2012; This particularly rapid💨 unintelligible 😖patter💁 isn't generally heard🧏‍♂️, and if it is🤔, it doesn't matter💁.

Volguus posted:

That's insane. Now, I presume you can give it network access and then remove it (change the password of your wifi or unplug the network cable). Will the remote still work after that?

Haven't tried. I think there are other features that won't work. Vizio got caught last year with the TVs regularly taking screenshots and sending them home to Mom.

# ? Nov 22, 2019 17:38

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The Incredible Disaster of Python 3

# ? Nov 22, 2019 17:44

NtotheTC: Dec 31, 2007

moostaffa posted:

The Incredible Disaster of Python 3

That article is a disaster.

# ? Nov 22, 2019 17:58

Plorkyeran: Mar 22, 2007; To Escape The Shackles Of The Old Forums, We Must Reject The Tribal Negativity He Endorsed

"Python 3 is a disaster because git status doesn't play nicely with my ascii display terminal from 1979" is a take all right.

# ? Nov 22, 2019 18:24

Xarn: Jun 26, 2015

"Things are broken because they don't support specific use cases on serial lines" is also a take.

# ? Nov 22, 2019 18:31

Thermopyle: Jul 1, 2003; ...the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt. �Bertrand Russell

The Incredible Disaster of "The Incredible Disaster of Python 3"

Though, the guy does have a point...a lot of the standard library is trashy. It's too big and there's not enough developers to maintain them. Also a lot of stuff was accepted into the standard library that shouldn't have been

# ? Nov 22, 2019 18:54

spiritual bypass: Feb 19, 2008; Grimey Drawer

Corroded batteries included

# ? Nov 22, 2019 19:18

OddObserver: Apr 3, 2009

Thermopyle posted:

The Incredible Disaster of "The Incredible Disaster of Python 3"

Though, the guy does have a point...a lot of the standard library is trashy. It's too big and there's not enough developers to maintain them. Also a lot of stuff was accepted into the standard library that shouldn't have been

I suspect kicking stuff out of the library would not have smoothed the 2 -> 3 migration.

# ? Nov 22, 2019 19:31

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# ? Jun 5, 2024 22:54

Thermopyle: Jul 1, 2003; ...the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt. �Bertrand Russell

OddObserver posted:

I suspect kicking stuff out of the library would not have smoothed the 2 -> 3 migration.

Definitely

# ? Nov 22, 2019 19:37

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