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dispatch_async posted:I'm not sure being forced to live in a dorm with a bunch of Tories is going to help recruitment of new MPs. Did I say anything about dorms? I'd probably look at forced-purchasing a hotel near the proposed parliament site or something, if not just building something to spec. Bundy posted:MP identity card that suffices as a travel ticket on all public transport. That now owns because it's all been nationalised. Yeah, that would also be an option. Also, making remote working much more possible. There's comparatively less need to travel to Parliament if we provide a secure means to vote remotely and to view the relevant debates remotely. E: 276 is significantly more than the number of seats the Tories will get, hopefully. thespaceinvader fucked around with this message at 17:33 on Nov 21, 2019 |
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thespaceinvader posted:There's comparatively less need to travel to Parliament if we provide a secure means to vote remotely. No, not yet, not today, not soon. Software engineering is not capable of making sure this is as safe and secure as it needs to be yet.
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Bundy posted:No, not yet, not today, not soon. Software engineering is not capable of making sure this is as safe and secure as it needs to be yet. Not for the entire country, sure. But for 700 MPs? I'm sure it would be doable. If we can make a secure enough method for remote transmission of, e.g. nuclear codes, I'm sure we can do it for votes. E: at the very least, I'd want to make the voting system within the chamber electronic, so as to avoid wasting utterly ridiculous amounts of time loving queueing. Aphex- posted:PMQs via Google hangouts PMQs via not having PMQs because it's a loving pointless piece of theatre with little or no meaningful value. thespaceinvader fucked around with this message at 17:36 on Nov 21, 2019 |
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Bundy posted:No, not yet, not today, not soon. Software engineering is not capable of making sure this is as safe and secure as it needs to be yet. How about they lay a fibre cable just as a hard-line for themselves
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Doccykins posted:First funding rounds are in John Gore? Is that why Mike Gapes
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OwlFancier posted:Make parliament into the big brother house. We'd get to see Gove trying to unclog toilets with a hoover live on TV.
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thespaceinvader posted:Not for the entire country, sure. Electronic voting inside the House would be great yeah. I still trust an air gap to the outside on that process over any current engineering approaches given the importance of the MP's ballot and how exposed to the public MPs are. Azza Bamboo posted:How about they lay a fibre cable just as a hard-line for themselves Better, but still not as safe as an air gap. Is it hard wired right to termination point or does it hit wifi? Any physical interception points available en route? These may sound ridiculous but if things did go in that direction you can bet your loving arse anyone with an incentive to seek to corrupt the system will at least try.
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Necrothatcher posted:Presumably Corbyn's team also had a recording of the interview and got on the phone to the ES immediately. But are they just going to be allowed to make up quotes from a candidate wholesale during an election? Also they've still kept in the insinuation that the mural was nothing other than "a group of hook-nosed bankers playing a game of Monopoly on the backs of huddled dark-skinned people" and left out the explicit Black Consciousness parts of it which presumably would not be on a mural "straight from Nazi Germany." Like you can recognize that there are problematic parts without erasing the other messages. He should probably have stuck to the many white bankers or techbros that we have today though (are Zuckerberg conspiracy theories going to be what Rothschild ones are now in 100 years?) thespaceinvader posted:Not for the entire country, sure. They can have a light up thing on the front of their podium that shows their vote too.
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PMQs but the speaker gets a soundboard.Guavanaut posted:They can have a light up thing on the front of their podium that shows their vote too. And it makes the catchphrase noise.
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OwlFancier posted:See this is why capitalism is bullshit because in socialism we would have bought three machines then paid three people to do four hour shifts or something. Agreed. It's why I'm going with the rail thing. Doing my part for the greatest form of transport known to mankind.
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thespaceinvader posted:Travel expenses are avoided by making parliament much more central. Unless you're going to make Parliament the size of the country there's going to be travel expenses, and those expenses will get higher the further away your seat is. Like what's the cost of a season ticket from Glasgow to Birmingham compared to Glasgow to London?
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PMQs but it's just a half hour of screaming that Jeremy Corbyn is an antisemite. Rachel Riley gets to be Speaker.
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if we give the corrupt people even more money, they will become less corrupt. simples
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Sparrow is panicking wildly in the grauns daily politics and there are some total bangers in it. The IFS saying the tax pledge's numbers add up but it cant be true because they dont want it to be. The hilarious ipsos mori poll. Private healthcare orgs using 1945's attack lines. The desperation is intense. They're very afraid. They should be.
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OwlFancier posted:And it makes the catchphrase noise.
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Bundy posted:No, not yet, not today, not soon. Software engineering is not capable of making sure this is as safe and secure as it needs to be yet.
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Jose posted:Meanwhile in trump's impeachment inquiry lol this is why I could never get my head around "Gentleman" Jack Gallagher you can't be a tea-loving umbrella-wielding upper-class aristocrat when you sound like you should be working down on t'docks
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Communist Thoughts posted:if we give the corrupt people even more money, they will become less corrupt. simples Trump's too rich to be bribed!
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Bundy posted:No, not yet, not today, not soon. Software engineering is not capable of making sure this is as safe and secure as it needs to be yet. If we allow MPs to send emails then they can vote remotely. It's not a secret ballot, any fiddling would be spotted very quickly when the affected MPs see their official tally counts them for the wrong side.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Unless you're going to make Parliament the size of the country there's going to be travel expenses, and those expenses will get higher the further away your seat is. Like what's the cost of a season ticket from Glasgow to Birmingham compared to Glasgow to London? Communist Thoughts posted:if we give the corrupt people even more money, they will become less corrupt. simples If we pay them more and imprison them if they do corruption, yes. It doesn't work if you only do the first part, obviously. Perhaps you can get away with just doing the second part. But honestly, 70k isn't that much of a salary for doing what MPs do.
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thespaceinvader posted:Not for the entire country, sure. Voting is like 1% of what an MP does. Everything that happens in the chamber is still only about 25%. Like the reason why we still have lobby-based voting is because it's useful for MPs to be able to collar ministers and other higherups to discuss issues. Also electronic votes in other parliaments are no quicker than the lobby-based system because you still have to have a window in which members can vote, the actual counts in the lobbies add like five minutes tops to that time.
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This is worth a watch just for how many words michael gove uses to say "criticising us is biased actually, unlike us who are objectively correct" https://twitter.com/Channel4News/status/1197496972019666944
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thespaceinvader posted:As ntoed above, just make public transport travel free for them. Accomplishes the same effect whilst making it a lot less possible to fiddle the system, and with minimal extra cost to the system as a whole. And a significant reduction in beauraucracy costs. Megabus for all politicians. That'll get them investing in public transport
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Angepain posted:This is worth a watch just for how many words michael gove uses to say "criticising us is biased actually, unlike us who are objectively correct" ...and that's fine.
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Doccykins posted:First funding rounds are in So, if anyone's interested, I've found the guidelines on spending limits here (overview), here (candidate spending) and here (party spending). Pertinent figures are: Candidates may spend up to £8,700, plus an additional 6p per registered elector (in "borough" constituencies) or 9p per registered elector (in "county" constituencies). As constituencies generally fall somewhere in the 60k~80k elector range that means about £13k per constituency in the cities and £15k in the country. With 632 constituencies outside of Northern Ireland (NI is treated separately) that means fully funding candidate spending would cost somewhere between £8m and £10m. For parties, the spending limit is £30k per constituency contested- though it's not clear to me, reading this, whether that includes or is in addition to the per-candidate spend. I'm going to assume includes, so after the candidates are accounted for the central party has between £9m and £11m to spend promoting party and policy at an all-country level. The overall limit is £19m. Important note for anyone thinking about donating to the Labour party: local CLPs are responsible for funding their campaigns, and may not receive any assistance in doing so from the central party unless they're a target seat. This is a big ask for most CLPs, who are generally not awash in cash at the best of times. Now, only two years after the last general election, the situation is worse than it would usually be. In Edinburgh in particular, only South (Ian Murray's seat) can comfortably fund this election and the next Holyrood election (only 18 months away!!), because they're basically the Scrooge McDuck of Scottish CLPs. Everywhere else is going to have trouble. North and Leith are just about covered for this, and possibly East as well (both are target seats), but it's liable to clear them out. The kicker here is that if you donate to the central party, through the central party website or other means, it's going to go to the central party. They're going to put it wherever they think it can do the most good- which is entirely fair, but it means that your local party probably isn't going to see a penny of it. If you want to help out your CLP, you need to speak to them directly. KOGAHAZAN!! fucked around with this message at 18:11 on Nov 21, 2019 |
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Scikar posted:If we allow MPs to send emails then they can vote remotely. It's not a secret ballot, any fiddling would be spotted very quickly when the affected MPs see their official tally counts them for the wrong side. on the other hand "uh my voting app was hacked during that unpopular vote"
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Guavanaut posted:Look at Mr Clegg, what's Mr Clegg doing? Do not, under any circumstances, say what you see, boris.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Voting is like 1% of what an MP does. Everything that happens in the chamber is still only about 25%. Like the reason why we still have lobby-based voting is because it's useful for MPs to be able to collar ministers and other higherups to discuss issues. Also electronic votes in other parliaments are no quicker than the lobby-based system because you still have to have a window in which members can vote, the actual counts in the lobbies add like five minutes tops to that time. OK. So. How do you maintain the useful bits of this then? What is the other 75%? Because even if lobby voting only adds 5 minutes per vote, you're still paying probably tens of thousands of pounds per year for those 5 minutes just of the MPs time, let alone of the admin staff who do all the side work to make it happen. baka kaba posted:on the other hand "uh my voting app was hacked during that unpopular vote" As opposed to now where they make the unpopular vote then scream bloody murder when anyone points out their lovely voting record. IDK this is all pie-in-the-sky perfect ideas anyway. Realistically there's zero chance that parliament will ever stop being insane traditionalism, two thirsds the number of seats as MPs, and donkey-braying at perfectly reasonable statements you don't like until and unless Westminster burns down around their loving ears.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Voting is like 1% of what an MP does. 
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OwlFancier posted:Isn't there... only one way you can chant three one-syllable words? He's got mud on his face, the big disgrace, somebody better go out him into his place.
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Angepain posted:This is worth a watch just for how many words michael gove uses to say "criticising us is biased actually, unlike us who are objectively correct" Tories getting owned and self owning all over the place. They are absolutely bricking it. Pleasing.
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thespaceinvader posted:OK. I'm not even sure what you're asking here. The admin overhead of lobby voting compared to any other method is the time of four MPs who act as tellers. All the other admin concerned with them (Hansard, etc) would be exactly the same with any other method of voting. I guess there's probably someone somewhere whose job it is to type the names of the MPs who voted into some kind of electronic system but that's not really the most crippling expense and they probably do other stuff too. The other 75% of what MPs do when they're at Westminster is, well, politics. Look at Sinn Fein, who literally never enter the chamber, yet still go to Westminster because it's much quicker and easier to go and have a quick word with the relevant minister, civil servant, journalist or whoever. Like I say lobby voting is cherished by MPs because it's a great opportunity to speak to other MPs, ministers, etc. Now an electronic *option* for voting - for example for MPs who are unable to get to Westminster through illness, to use one example that's been in the news lately - would undoubtedly be a good thing, but politics will always be a face-to-face business and having everyone involved in that business in the same building(s) massively improves the efficiency of it.
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Found the Libertarian Municipalist.
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Spangly A posted:Sparrow is panicking wildly in the grauns daily politics and there are some total bangers in it. The IFS saying the tax pledge's numbers add up but it cant be true because they dont want it to be. The hilarious ipsos mori poll. Private healthcare orgs using 1945's attack lines. Got a link to the IFS stuff? Sounds nice.
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Necrothatcher posted:Lol the Evening Standard is turbo hosed over that Corbyn interview. How so? What consequences do they face?
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