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AlbieQuirky
Oct 9, 2012

Just me and my 🌊dragon🐉 hanging out

Aesop Poprock posted:

I mean the odds that you’re going to be kidnapped or killed or something have to be insanely higher in general if you’re a woman accepting that offer. Men don’t usually have to add “cons: might murder me” to their mental hookup list

Sainthood for Aileen Wournos though

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Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

Edgar Allen Ho posted:

Speaking as a total slut gay man here, I think that's a huge part of it. As a dude who may want to have sex later, I feel pretty safe meeting someone else seeking same. We're about the same size and we're in the same social strata and so on. Women meeting men take on a lot more risk.

This attitude does lead to gay men being great targets for predators and murderers but you know, win some lose some

Also that the cops don't give a poo poo. My city is infamous as a result.

Tashilicious
Jul 17, 2016

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Ghost Leviathan posted:

Also that the cops don't give a poo poo. My city is infamous as a result.

How depressing is it that the bigoted cops who didn't care about a serial killer isn't even the worst part of living in Toronto?

CAROL
Oct 29, 2009

by Fluffdaddy

Tashilicious posted:

How depressing is it that the bigoted cops who didn't care about a serial killer isn't even the worst part of living in Toronto?

What’s the worst bit

Kitfox88
Aug 21, 2007

Anybody lose their glasses?
I mean the cops literally delivered one of dahmers victims back to him didnt they?

Tashilicious
Jul 17, 2016

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

CAROL posted:

What’s the worst bit

Toronto itself.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
I'm not sure what kind of disappointed to be that another city came to mind.

Tashilicious
Jul 17, 2016

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Cheer up! At least you don't live in Toronto then!


But yeah, the recent Toronto serial killer that had been killing dozens of gay men that the Toronto Police ignored until they were literally forced to by public pressure and they captured the guy in like a week is still fresh on my mind.

And this was before, during, and after the Toronto pride parade that they were not allowed to march in uniform for and got really salty about.

teen witch
Oct 9, 2012

Kitfox88 posted:

I mean the cops literally delivered one of dahmers victims back to him didnt they?

Yep! In a lovely ice cream swirl of homophobia, racism and pedophilia!

https://stmuhistorymedia.org/konerak-sinthasomphone-dahmers-victim-who-didnt-have-to-die/

One of the cops retired in 2017!

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Balcerzak?wprov=sfti1

quote:

The officers had never checked the boy's ID or verified his identity. The officers did not check Dahmer's identification; had they done so, they would have discovered that Dahmer was a sex offender previously convicted for molesting Sinthasomphone's older brother.[5] The city of Milwaukee later paid the boy's family a sum of $850,000 to settle a lawsuit over the policemen's handling of the situation.[6]

Both officers later appealed their termination. Judge Robert J. Parins decided the case and ruled in favor of the officers, allowing them to be reinstated.[7]

Judge Robert J. Parins, aka “also inducted into the GB Packers hall of fame in 1998”!!!!

Mx.
Dec 16, 2006

I'm a great fan! When I watch TV I'm always saying "That's political correctness gone mad!"
Why thankyew!


cool i hope that hell is real and they burn there

Solice Kirsk
Jun 1, 2004

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CAROL posted:

What’s the worst bit

Being a Leafs fan?

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo

Solice Kirsk posted:

Being a Leafs fan?

:hmmyes:

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
I'll give you a hint: Dismembered bodies in barrels of acid hidden in a disused bank vault.

Randaconda
Jul 3, 2014

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Isn't that Australia?

or was there another

Busket Posket
Feb 5, 2010

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Ghost Leviathan posted:

Also that the cops don't give a poo poo. My city is infamous as a result.

Here I thought you were talking about my hometown (Milwaukee) as well, but now we can share a heartwarming bonding moment about how many of us internationally are from cities with well-known cases of cops either ignoring the deaths of gay men or returning them to their killers.

Basebf555
Feb 29, 2008

The greatest sensual pleasure there is is to know the desires of another!

Fun Shoe
Really it's anyone who isn't straight and white. There have been several serial killers who preyed on black women and the cops just act like the victims never existed in the first place. The community ends up having to start some sort of independent investigation to shame the cops into action most of the time.

a mysterious cloak
Apr 5, 2003

Leave me alone, dad, I'm with my friends!


The shame of being a cop simply isn't enough.

Randaconda
Jul 3, 2014

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Basebf555 posted:

Really it's anyone who isn't straight and white. There have been several serial killers who preyed on black women and the cops just act like the victims never existed in the first place. The community ends up having to start some sort of independent investigation to shame the cops into action most of the time.

there's a few where the cops tried, but not many. The cops were trying with Ridgeway, and he was one of their top suspects as far back as the mid-80s, they just didn't have anything on him until DNA science caught up

Azathoth
Apr 3, 2001

Basebf555 posted:

Really it's anyone who isn't straight and white. There have been several serial killers who preyed on black women and the cops just act like the victims never existed in the first place. The community ends up having to start some sort of independent investigation to shame the cops into action most of the time.

There were three known serial killers active at the same time in Los Angeles in the 90s killing black sex workers.

I genuinely believe that the primary reason why there is such a backlog of DNA evidence to be processed is that everyone involved knows that it's going to reveal a whole bunch of serial killers and serial rapists. And once folks start piecing together how many murderers and rapists could have been stopped earlier if they'd just processed the evidence, it's going to be a huge scandal, and no one wants to be in charge when it finally comes to light.

Basebf555
Feb 29, 2008

The greatest sensual pleasure there is is to know the desires of another!

Fun Shoe

Azathoth posted:

There were three known serial killers active at the same time in Los Angeles in the 90s killing black sex workers.

I genuinely believe that the primary reason why there is such a backlog of DNA evidence to be processed is that everyone involved knows that it's going to reveal a whole bunch of serial killers and serial rapists. And once folks start piecing together how many murderers and rapists could have been stopped earlier if they'd just processed the evidence, it's going to be a huge scandal, and no one wants to be in charge when it finally comes to light.

Nick Broomfield did a documentary about one of them, Lonnie Franklin. This guy was just brazenly escorting prostitutes into his apartment in full view of everyone in the neighborhood, and there just wasn't anything to be done about it because the police didn't give a poo poo. Without a community group that forced their hand I think Franklin might never have been caught.

Azathoth
Apr 3, 2001

And, for those who may not be aware, he was active from at least 1985 to 2007 doing that.

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Oct 15, 2012

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Biscuit Hider
Hell, the CIA and FBI both covered up part of the Kennedy assassination to hide the fact that they'd been watching Oswald for months and should have anticipated the threat. And that was when the president was the loving murder victim. It's a wonder any crimes get solved.

Inceltown
Aug 6, 2019

Randaconda posted:

Isn't that Australia?

or was there another

Snowtown Murders were definitely Australia.

AlbieQuirky
Oct 9, 2012

Just me and my 🌊dragon🐉 hanging out

Basebf555 posted:

Really it's anyone who isn't straight and white. There have been several serial killers who preyed on black women and the cops just act like the victims never existed in the first place. The community ends up having to start some sort of independent investigation to shame the cops into action most of the time.

Serial killers can also kill white women who are sex workers with impunity for decades (Gary Ridgway, Robert Pickton). It’s almost like some most people are disposable as far as cops are concerned.

Pigsfeet on Rye
Oct 22, 2008

I'm meat on the hoof

AlbieQuirky posted:

Serial killers can also kill white women who are sex workers with impunity for decades (Gary Ridgway, Robert Pickton). It’s almost like some most people non-cops are disposable as far as cops are concerned.

Scathach
Apr 4, 2011

You know that thing where you sleep on your arm funny and when you wake up it's all numb? Yeah that's my whole world right now.


Solice Kirsk posted:

I lived in Maricopa county for about three years and it's basically a dystopian nightmare. Everything is the same sunbleached beige, racism is open and frequent, the water is full of weird solid impurities so people just act like getting kidney stones in your 30's is something normal that happens, and (this is a much smaller personal problem I had with living there) everyone seems to get married right out of high school/college out there so dating in your late 20's was near impossible with the exception of the occasional affair with a bored house wife or someone with very obvious personality problems.

I absolutely hated Arizona. Has some pretty nature though.

So I grew up in the mountains south of Queen Creek and spent almost thirty years there. This is entirely accurate. Like holy gently caress it took me years to figure out the two floors of my house were different shades of beige. Everything is loving beige. You have two choices of lawn-- dead grass or raked pink or white stones. Your neighbors will either be friendly bikers, a large friendly Hispanic family, or terrifyingly racist white people (also like 75% chance Mormon.)

If you want any kind of interesting interaction at all, you have to go find and hang out with Desert People, which equates to self-built homes (admittedly really neat and artistic, for the most part) in the middle of loving nowhere. If you're lucky they'll have a pool, if not summers will suck. Get ready to ride a horse to the bar because the steering wheel will burn your hands and car AC is never cool enough. I poo poo you not it's like loving Mad Max out there. God I have stories for days. I grew up in a dome house with mirrors on the roof and stained glass and poo poo, and my family wasn't even the weird outsider family in town.

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Inceltown
Aug 6, 2019

Scathach posted:

So I grew up in the mountains south of Queen Creek and spent almost thirty years there. This is entirely accurate. Like holy gently caress it took me years to figure out the two floors of my house were different shades of beige. Everything is loving beige. You have two choices of lawn-- dead grass or raked pink or white stones. Your neighbors will either be friendly bikers, a large friendly Hispanic family, or terrifyingly racist white people (also like 75% chance Mormon.)

If you want any kind of interesting interaction at all, you have to go find and hang out with Desert People, which equates to self-built homes (admittedly really neat and artistic, for the most part) in the middle of loving nowhere. If you're lucky they'll have a pool, if not summers will suck. Get ready to ride a horse to the bar because the steering wheel will burn your hands and car AC is never cool enough. I poo poo you not it's like loving Mad Max out there. God I have stories for days. I grew up in a dome house with mirrors on the roof and stained glass and poo poo, and my family wasn't even the weird outsider family in town.

:justpost:

Scathach
Apr 4, 2011

You know that thing where you sleep on your arm funny and when you wake up it's all numb? Yeah that's my whole world right now.


So an unnerving story: My mom's cowboy boyfriend and a friend of his were walking out in the desert when they found a mattress on the ground-- this is super common, because desert and 90's. They decided it would be funny to jump on it and after a few good bounces realized it smelled funny. Turned out someone had cut a slit into the side and stuffed a corpse in the middle of the mattress, and here they were bouncing on this poor dead dude's bones.

When I was maybe 15 I was riding around with my friend on his dirtbike. We saw a guy parked by some cow lakes in the middle of BLM land. He got a roll of carpet out of his trunk and dumped it into the water. Looked super heavy. He just stared at us when we rode by.

Anyway welcome to the desert, don't forget to shake your shoes out.

Inceltown
Aug 6, 2019

Scathach posted:

So an unnerving story: My mom's cowboy boyfriend and a friend of his were walking out in the desert when they found a mattress on the ground-- this is super common, because desert and 90's. They decided it would be funny to jump on it and after a few good bounces realized it smelled funny. Turned out someone had cut a slit into the side and stuffed a corpse in the middle of the mattress, and here they were bouncing on this poor dead dude's bones.

When I was maybe 15 I was riding around with my friend on his dirtbike. We saw a guy parked by some cow lakes in the middle of BLM land. He got a roll of carpet out of his trunk and dumped it into the water. Looked super heavy. He just stared at us when we rode by.

Anyway welcome to the desert, don't forget to shake your shoes out.

There is a lot going on in this post but what the gently caress is a cow lake? Is that just a dam / pond that farmers have rigged up for livestock to drink from or has someone made one of those rat emulsification devices big enough for cows?

Scathach
Apr 4, 2011

You know that thing where you sleep on your arm funny and when you wake up it's all numb? Yeah that's my whole world right now.


Cattle lakes/ponds are big reservoir things, fed by wells. They often have high dirt walls and cattle drink from them. Usually they're out in the flat parts of the desert and on BLM land that ranchers use.

Inceltown
Aug 6, 2019

Scathach posted:

Cattle lakes/ponds are big reservoir things, fed by wells. They often have high dirt walls and cattle drink from them. Usually they're out in the flat parts of the desert and on BLM land that ranchers use.

So exactly what we'd call a dam here. Cow lake just sounds so strange.

Veni Vidi Ameche!
Nov 2, 2017

by Fluffdaddy

You’re right. That didn’t help.

fauna
Dec 6, 2018


Caught between two worlds...

Inceltown posted:

So exactly what we'd call a dam here. Cow lake just sounds so strange.
it puts me in mind of hog lagoons, which are on-topic for the thread

Tashilicious
Jul 17, 2016

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

fauna posted:

it puts me in mind of hog lagoons, which are on-topic for the thread

Hog Lagoons, where literally just being submerged is a death sentence.

Not drowning. Not swallowing. Not inhaling. Not floating in there for hours.
just falling in.

Kitfox88
Aug 21, 2007

Anybody lose their glasses?

Ghost Leviathan posted:

I'll give you a hint: Dismembered bodies in barrels of acid hidden in a disused bank vault.

Snow town! What a loving monsters those guys were

Necrothatcher
Mar 26, 2005




Scathach posted:

When I was maybe 15 I was riding around with my friend on his dirtbike. We saw a guy parked by some cow lakes in the middle of BLM land. He got a roll of carpet out of his trunk and dumped it into the water. Looked super heavy. He just stared at us when we rode by.

Did you check what it was?

Randaconda
Jul 3, 2014

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Necrothatcher posted:

Did you check what it was?

mind your business

Telsa Cola
Aug 19, 2011

No... this is all wrong... this whole operation has just gone completely sidewaysface

Scathach posted:

So an unnerving story: My mom's cowboy boyfriend and a friend of his were walking out in the desert when they found a mattress on the ground-- this is super common, because desert and 90's. They decided it would be funny to jump on it and after a few good bounces realized it smelled funny. Turned out someone had cut a slit into the side and stuffed a corpse in the middle of the mattress, and here they were bouncing on this poor dead dude's bones.

When I was maybe 15 I was riding around with my friend on his dirtbike. We saw a guy parked by some cow lakes in the middle of BLM land. He got a roll of carpet out of his trunk and dumped it into the water. Looked super heavy. He just stared at us when we rode by.

Anyway welcome to the desert, don't forget to shake your shoes out.

Friends of my found the body of a serial killer vic while out doing survey, they were able to independently ID the individual based on some medical history that was publicized and some background on active serial killers in the area.

Acute Grill
Dec 9, 2011

Chomp

AlbieQuirky posted:

Serial killers can also kill white women who are sex workers with impunity for decades (Gary Ridgway, Robert Pickton). It’s almost like some most people are disposable as far as cops are concerned.

Multiple times that serial killers have preyed on sex workers there are also anecdotes of cops not being particularly concerned because all the women who could afford to lay low or relocate were no longer their problem.

There's also definitely a certain "let them fight" mentality when criminals prey on other people who are also suspected of breaking the law.

Acute Grill has a new favorite as of 22:50 on Nov 22, 2019

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PONEYBOY
Jul 31, 2013

Here’s an interesting story about dispossessed Indian ‘royalty.’

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