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Bugsy
Jul 15, 2004

I'm thumpin'. That's
why they call me
'Thumper'.


Slippery Tilde
https://twitter.com/willsommer/status/1197577779698642950

https://twitter.com/jaredlholt/status/1197541620285087744

https://twitter.com/ehananoki/status/1197599234557693952

https://twitter.com/AndyRichter/status/1197581749804339201

https://twitter.com/EmrgencyKittens/status/1197334345717100545

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berserker
Aug 17, 2003

My love for you
is ticking clock
edit: woops wrong thread

predicto
Jul 22, 2004

THE DEM DEFENDER HAS LOGGED ON

and it's gone

again

please when you post juicy tweets give us some clue what they are supposed to be about, because the best ones get deleted within minutes

queeb
Jun 10, 2004

m



We just had an epic mansplaining dropped in the impeachment hearing.

DarkHorse
Dec 13, 2006

Vroom vroom, BEEP BEEP!
Nap Ghost

predicto posted:

and it's gone

again

please when you post juicy tweets give us some clue what they are supposed to be about, because the best ones get deleted within minutes

It was Emerald Robinson essentially saying that Fiona Hill and Lt. Col Alex Vindman were not American because they were born in the UK and Ukraine, respectively

something like "When are we going to have Americans testify in this impeachment hearing" or similar

Bobulus
Jan 28, 2007

predicto posted:

and it's gone

again

please when you post juicy tweets give us some clue what they are supposed to be about, because the best ones get deleted within minutes

It pointed out the fact that both Hill and Vindman are immigrants to America, and implied that they're not True Citizens as a result, and thus their testimony shouldn't Count.

Acebuckeye13
Nov 2, 2010

Against All Tyrants

Ultra Carp

predicto posted:

and it's gone

again

please when you post juicy tweets give us some clue what they are supposed to be about, because the best ones get deleted within minutes

Fortunately I still had it open in another tab:



What a tremendous piece of poo poo.

canepazzo
May 29, 2006



Acebuckeye13 posted:

Fortunately I still had it open in another tab:



What a tremendous piece of poo poo.

https://twitter.com/jackposobiec/status/1197570771951980553

Yep, guess that's their talking point going forward.

predicto
Jul 22, 2004

THE DEM DEFENDER HAS LOGGED ON

DarkHorse posted:

It was Emerald Robinson essentially saying that Fiona Hill and Lt. Col Alex Vindman were not American because they were born in the UK and Ukraine, respectively

something like "When are we going to have Americans testify in this impeachment hearing" or similar

Thanks!

Zesty
Jan 17, 2012

The Great Twist

Screenshot your tweets. Especially if it makes the tweeter look like a moron.

predicto
Jul 22, 2004

THE DEM DEFENDER HAS LOGGED ON

Acebuckeye13 posted:

Fortunately I still had it open in another tab:



What a tremendous piece of poo poo.

Don't insult innocent pieces of poo poo that way

SpannerX
Apr 26, 2010

I had a beer with Stephen Harper once and now I like him.

Fun Shoe

DarkHorse posted:

It was Emerald Robinson essentially saying that Fiona Hill and Lt. Col Alex Vindman were not American because they were born in the UK and Ukraine, respectively

something like "When are we going to have Americans testify in this impeachment hearing" or similar

And it got ratioed hard. She got dunked on. She's a talking head on OANN, right?

TheKingofSprings
Oct 9, 2012

canepazzo posted:

https://twitter.com/jackposobiec/status/1197570771951980553

Yep, guess that's their talking point going forward.

Because actual Americans are victims of your party stripping the education system loving bare, Jack

John Wick of Dogs
Mar 4, 2017

A real hellraiser


Fritz Coldcockin posted:

:raise: This...implies that Schiff is following House rules. They fuckin' dumb.

Someone explain it to me, I aced linear algebra so I feel like I should get why that says the opposite of what they think, but idgi

Dave Grool
Oct 21, 2008



Grimey Drawer
Why are all these international people working in international relations is some galaxy brain poo poo

canepazzo
May 29, 2006



John Wick of Dogs posted:

Someone explain it to me, I aced linear algebra so I feel like I should get why that says the opposite of what they think, but idgi

It's saying that it's been 0 days since Schiff last followed rules i.e. he followed them today. So he's following rules.

They think they are riffing on the "0 days without being a national shame" meme that's around for Trump because, dear reader, they dumb.

Hewlett
Mar 4, 2005

"DANCE! DANCE! DANCE!"

Also, drink
and watch movies.
That's fun too.

John Wick of Dogs posted:

Someone explain it to me, I aced linear algebra so I feel like I should get why that says the opposite of what they think, but idgi

Essentially, the sign says, "there have been zero days in which Adam Schiff has not been following house rules."

efb

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


John Wick of Dogs posted:

Someone explain it to me, I aced linear algebra so I feel like I should get why that says the opposite of what they think, but idgi

To make their stupid sign correct they should've put how many days since the hearings started.

bobjr
Oct 16, 2012

Roose is loose.
🐓🐓🐓✊🪧

Stuff like OANN makes me think they’ll go the other way when I hear “Conservatives will change what they mean by white people to keep voters”

Acebuckeye13
Nov 2, 2010

Against All Tyrants

Ultra Carp

John Wick of Dogs posted:

Someone explain it to me, I aced linear algebra so I feel like I should get why that says the opposite of what they think, but idgi

If it's been 0 days since Schiff followed House rules, that means that he followed House rules today.

e: lol beaten

Spun Dog
Sep 21, 2004


Smellrose

canepazzo posted:

https://twitter.com/jackposobiec/status/1197570771951980553

Yep, guess that's their talking point going forward.

GORKAAAAA!!!!


Just had to get that out of my system

Bird in a Blender
Nov 17, 2005

It's amazing what they can do with computers these days.

ZobarStyl posted:

I was unable to find the image, but there was a really striking graph that compared generational D/R lean to who the president was at the time that group came of voting age. It was interesting how Eisenhower era red was briefly interrupted by a Nixon affected blue shift, followed by a return to the GOP under Reagan and Bush. Masses of young people today have no memory of the GOP being anything but trash and the counterpoint that was Obama, and they will never vote for the GOP again. Every day, a significant number of boomers shed their mortal coil, while a commensurate number of socialists obtain the franchise. Things can and will become far better, but it's painfully slow when lived in real time.

As CuddleCryptid concisely notes:

You're probably thinking of this.



https://www.people-press.org/2018/03/20/1-trends-in-party-affiliation-among-demographic-groups/2_8-8/

I don't think it's exactly what you're looking for, but still tells a pretty big tale. Everyone always talks about the youth vote is big for Democrats, where this shows it's really only been that way very recently. Gen X was very split back when they were in their 20's, but Millenials have always favored Democrats by a wide margin, and that margin is getting wider.

Bird in a Blender fucked around with this message at 22:06 on Nov 21, 2019

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal

I also remember the chart they're talking about, it was a big table where the rows were sequences of Rs and Ds on red and blue backgrounds. No idea where to find it either, though.

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

TheKingofSprings posted:

Because actual Americans are victims of your party stripping the education system loving bare, Jack

"Actual Americans"

gently caress you

OAquinas
Jan 27, 2008

Biden has sat immobile on the Iron Throne of America. He is the Master of Malarkey by the will of the gods, and master of a million votes by the might of his inexhaustible calamari.
It has been 0 days since Schiff broke his foot off in the rear end of the House GOP.

Goddamn he's pissed in his closing remarks. He's going over all their hypocrisy from the "Secret" depositions (that 100 members of congress had access to) to the lack of uproar when Trump toadied to Putin in Helsinki.

nine-gear crow
Aug 10, 2013

canepazzo posted:

https://twitter.com/jackposobiec/status/1197570771951980553

Yep, guess that's their talking point going forward.

Guy married a woman he found in Ukraine, by the way. So Jack is totally cool with non-Americans associating with (alleged) intelligence officers when it’s him specifically.

mllaneza
Apr 28, 2007

Veteran, Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force, 1993-1952




Gort posted:

For real? I didn't think complete disarmament was ever on the table for either of those powers. I can't imagine the US and USSR going nukeless in a world where China, India, Pakistan, France, North Korea, Israel and the UK have nukes.

Gorbachev did in fact make that offer. Ronald loving Reagan turned him down.

https://www.npr.org/transcripts/113579843?storyId=113579843?storyId=113579843

Kale
May 14, 2010


IMO this really does not get enough exposure. Like just how much loyalty (fealty?) to Trump has become the sole measure of what it means to be a Republican in 2019. Like not even that, practically the sole executive branch agenda at this point. Not even "are you with Trump on X issue?" so much as just "are you with Trump and will you say nice things about him?" and that's it. They can't even begin to think about policy or agenda because they're too busy going out and trying to destroy his critics like a heat seeking missile every day, which is both good and bad depending on how you look at it.

Basically what I'm saying is Mick Mulvaney is the worst White House Chief of Staff in the history of the United States by a long shot, acting or otherwise, because it's his job to work with even a difficult to please president and set his daily agenda and he just doesn't. He let's himself get bullied around like all other Republicans and used as a policeman to ensure that Trump's incredibly fragile and insatiable ego isn't completely shattered every day and is failing at even that.

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

Would you like to play a game?



nine-gear crow posted:

Guy married a woman he found in Ukraine, by the way. So Jack is totally cool with non-Americans associating with (alleged) intelligence officers when it’s him specifically.
Also his buddy Trump married a woman who was not American

mllaneza
Apr 28, 2007

Veteran, Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force, 1993-1952




FlamingLiberal posted:

Also his buddy Trump married a woman who was not American

Another immigrant doing a job no American would !

Guze
Oct 10, 2007

Regular Human Bartender

How much will the Smooth Bernie DLC be?

https://twitter.com/kenklippenstein/status/1197625076985798668?s=19

Ice Phisherman
Apr 12, 2007

Swimming upstream
into the sunset



Gatts posted:

One thing that always bugs me is why is Trump the hill they are dying on for? I guess White Supremecy and being on the take from foreign influence like Russia is so important for GOP/Conservatives they are good with undermining the US.

Like why not someone competent at least? I mean goddamn.

The short answer is that Trump is the best that white supremacists have and may ever have again. There is a good chance that not only will they never have anyone competent again, as Trump is obviously incompetent, but the longer they wait the less of a chance their culture will be able to produce another leader that can ascend to power, competent or not. White supremacy is falling out of favor because there just aren't as many white people left and they can't launder their white supremacy as well as they used to because their institutions that upheld it are declining and possibly failing.

The long answer, as I understand it, takes way more explaining, but it's been something I've been mulling over for a while. Big post incoming.

White supremacy is currently in turmoil. The mass incarceration of the 80's, 90's, 00's and up to the current day has been challenged in a credible way and is increasingly being identified as the new Jim Crow. The racial harmony of that time was a false peace created by state violence against minorities, especially African Americans. However, during its introduction it happened covertly enough and with enough consent that so called moderate democrats either accepted mass incarceration, understanding it what it was and not giving a poo poo or feigning ignorance or confusing that time where race wasn't discussed as peace. What is was actually was the absence of tension created through violence. I occasionally hear some pine for it even today.

Mass incarceration is one of the current incarnations of racism. It was what was once socially acceptable, but no longer. Just like Jim Crow was once socially acceptable. Just like neo-feudalism was once socially acceptable. Just like slavery was once socially acceptable. This is a long trend that goes back to before the founding of the United States. It is old in a way that most Americans just aren't primed to think about. Our sense of history is very short.

When white supremacy has no other solutions to act covertly, it must act overtly or cease to exist. White supremacy is an identity and in order to maintain identity that identity must be performed. For yourself or for others, identity does not exist without attention, intent, emotional investment, narrative and action. Again, there is a performative act to identity. Not just white supremacy, but all identity. When we are small children, we are often told the same kind of stories over and over again. We go on to tell those stories to others. Some become our favorite stories and even though we have heard them before, dozens, maybe hundreds of times, we carve out a piece in our hearts for those stories to nestle in and complicate us. Those stories that we tell ourselves about ourselves are our identity, or at least parts of them. And I see right wing media in general as a very old way of storytelling to form identity. It doesn't matter if it is true or even narratively consistent. It only matters that you give attention, and that includes emotional attention. Identity, once nestled inside of you needs to be performed in the real world. Without attention, intent, emotional investment, narrative and finally action, there is no identity. Some of these components can be small just like identities may not be how you primarily define yourself. It might not even make the top ten in how you define yourself, but those components are still necessary.

Racism never disappeared like many ignorant whites assume. It was sated by mass incarceration. It slumbered like a beast, fat and happy, occasionally rousing itself to devour people. Cruelty to people that you are taught to hate can form identity and helps you discharge tension, especially the kind that comes from abusive and hierarchical systems like authoritarianism and capitalism. You can be the poorest, dumbest, unluckiest motherfucker on the planet, but as long as you're X, you're better than the best of Y. You can hot swap basically any race into that narrative as well as religion or culture or gender or whatever I suppose. What I talk about is identity created in opposition. Not for who you are, but for who you aren't.

There are the elect and the damned, the superior and the inferior, the good and the bad, saints and sinners. On and on. Identity that is maintained primarily in opposition requires some sort of other. If we were all considered white and there is no other racial demographic then whiteness would quickly cease to mean anything or those who are white would very possibly be divided and stratified into racial categories again. There are distinct cultures that hate one another out there that are not based around race, but in this context, whiteness does not really mean much. It has a baseline like speaking English and a racial heritage, but that heritage is stretched. The Irish and Italians were once not considered white. Now they are. Why? Well, it was once convenient for whites to define themselves in opposition to them at one point. Now it is convenient to adopt them. For reasons both arbitrary and calculating, that is to say, demographics and blood and hate, they were adopted as white while African Americans were not.

We're approaching the end of the age of mass incarceration as an acceptable way for racist whites in the United States to reinforce their racist identity. It is being challenged and if the white supremacist doesn't challenge it, their cultural dominance ceases to exist. Quiet state violence with little individual expression of white supremacy is over. In fact, engaging in acts of white supremacist terrorism at this time was often considered awkward or too much by other racists. State violence against minorities was how racists were managed. It wouldn't do. They were supposed to content themselves with the fact that the government was doing violence on their behalf. That was the source of that "peace".

Now that that is being challenged, that violence done on their behalf, that cruelty, is no longer being performed as efficiently or at as cruelly as desired to sate your average racist. The movement against a racist system spawns a racist, reactionary movement. State violence is recognized as open violence and open individual violence follows because the emotional satisfaction that the racist receives is no longer enough to maintain their identity, especially as the needs of that identity become increasingly all consuming and violent. Identities have priority and can be thought of as a numbered list. Radicalization moves that identity up the list and there has been a strong push to radicalize racist whites from passive racism to active racism in order to defend white supremacy with their dwindling numbers.

The background violence worked before under a mask of civility for those racist whites. Now it doesn't. Trump is not some aberration. He's a product of this racist, violent system that we live in. The wall was the latest expression of that racist system. Something that would symbolically satisfy the racist. Literally a gigantic sacrifice of money and time and effort to white supremacy. Basically a totem. It has been repeatedly pointed out by people who don't understand that craving to satisfy that identity that the wall simply wouldn't work. It doesn't matter that it doesn't work. It's not rational. It's part of the narrative. That narrative becomes a story. That story becomes told over and over again. People internalize it and it becomes a part of their identity. And that identity seeks to become real in the world to remind the racist of their own importance and who they are. It's primal and tribal, not rational and reasonable.

It doesn't matter that it's stupid and evil. Most people understand that it's intensely stupid and evil. Hell, a lot of the people who believe in the wall understand that it is stupid and evil. That's why they want it. Don't focus on the rational. People get tripped up in rationality. Humans are not 100% rational beings. White supremacy is a tool of power. poo poo flows downhill. Those poor, dumb, unlucky bastards who content themselves only with the fact that they're white and they're not black or Latino or whatever only have that to content themselves with. Life is stressful if you're poor and dumb and unlucky. They want to discharge that stress. Trump and the wall and the concentration camps and his racism and sexism and all the other isms that reinforce their identity allow them to discharge that accumulated stress. That discharge is of paramount importance. It's why any of this works at all.

In our system, capitalism, for one to be rich, another must be poor. In a nation that is multi-ethnic, it is easier to manage the stress created by this system, this poverty, with racism. poo poo flows downhill. One ape slaps another and another until the smallest ape cowers. That is one of the ways that stress is managed at the primal level. The more concentrated that capital is in the hands of a few, the more violent the racist must be and the more of them there are as more and more stress must be discharged.

When the stress under this system becomes intolerable, in order to keep people from forming class consciousness, the fascist will attempt to seize power through racial narratives. Instead of looking up to the elites who hoard all of that concentrated capital which causes intense suffering, even those of the poor whites, they look to those that they have always seen with suspicion or even abused. And the elites will push these narratives because the countervailing narratives, usually left wing, call for the fall of elites and distribution of that hoarded wealth, which is the actual problem. What we consider racism today is a way of managing stress caused by scarce resources, made artificially scarce in our capitalist system. Don't get me wrong, racism existed before, that's not news, but think about why racism began in the Western hemisphere. All the way back. Chattel slavery. Theft of labor. That's the root and it has not changed, though it has become complicated over time.

Instead of actually taking care of peoples' stress directly, the satisfaction offered by a fascist is blood and lots of it, and to either suppress or exterminate their racial foes as a way of dividing and conquering to maintain the power of elites or seize power for themselves to become elites.

Let's focus back on the wall and the concentration camps. There is debate about what evolution white supremacy takes next. Some want to put the old mask back on and lull so called liberals to sleep and quietly abuse minorities in the background to provide comfort to racist whites. This does work as a way of managing racism, but there are fewer racist whites now and that creates heightened tension. More violence is required to satisfy them because as they wane, they fear that they might lose their historical privileges or even become next.

On the other end there are people who just want to kill and destroy and dominate through open violence and open cruelty. To burn the masks and dance on the bodies and play in the blood. To rape and steal and murder while accusing the people that they are actively harming of doing the same thing that they themselves are doing as a way of projecting their unresolved emotional turmoil and tension on others as a way of temporarily discharging it. And this is very important. Racism doesn't resolve tension. It can never be resolved except through driving away the other or killing them. If you have to live alongside a racist, they need to occasionally, or even constantly discharge their unmanaged stress through racism. Maybe through racial epithets, maybe through bonding together with other white supremacists in their shared hatred, maybe through getting their racism through social media or Fox News, maybe through something symbolic like state violence or if they can't truly be satisfied, through open cruelty, whether it's words or technically non-violent action all the way to terrorism and murder.

Racism can never be emotionally resolved without without forced migration or stacking bodies. It can only be temporarily resolved and that stress is frequently, sometimes exclusively not about their racial hatred. It is about them. I'll quote something fantastic I read from Reddit recently and link it. I suggest reading all of it, but I'll quote the last half for excellent stuff to mine. The first half is about his life as a racist. The second was the night that he had an epiphany about racism. I don't rely on people having some moment of enlightenment to abandon racism, but the realizations become stark and easy to speak about in terms of what's happening as his identity falls apart.

https://www.reddit.com/user/getyousomefonts/?sort=top

quote:

Then there was one night that changed everything for me. There were a couple of dozen people hanging out around a bonfire behind a bar and I was listening to this guy I really didn't like go on a drunken rant about how white people and black people were different. He'd scream "THEY ALL SELL DRUGS"....and I'd think "well so do you, dumbass". "THEY ARE ALL ON WELFARE"....he was living on disability scam checks. "THEY ARE ALL A BUNCH OF THIEVES"....coming from someone who have been to jail several times for stealing materials from construction sites. I quite literally sat on a log around that fire and had a moment of enlightenment. His rant was almost like a voice-over where everything he said, or everything someone jokingly added immediately made me look at who in that group was guilty of exactly what they were shading someone else with. I looked at these "friends", these people I'd shared a 100 meals and a 1000 beers with and saw them all completely differently. There was NOBODY there I actually wanted to be around any more.

Small side note, I'd really suggest reading it again if you haven't. It was about how a white supremacist of thirty years had what was basically a spontaneous deconversion. Spontaneous in his words, I don't know if that was actually the case. I'm quoting heavily from it, but drat is it an amazing story.

quote:

Ten minutes earlier I'd seen them as practically family. I can't really describe it, it was like they all changed. Physically changed. The longer I looked at them the more they morphed. They were no longer those good old heart of the country people I'd loved.....they were all ignorant. Their entire body of knowledge was little more than passed down excuses and cliches. None of them were actually contributing anything to society. They weren't making the world a better place. They were doing nothing except figuring out how to keep someone under them so they didn't have to be the bottom of society. They were EXACTLY what they said every other race was.

This is called projection by the way. From wikiepdia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection

quote:

Psychological projection is a defense mechanism in which the human ego defends itself against unconscious impulses or qualities by denying their existence in themselves while attributing them to others. For example, a person who is habitually rude may constantly accuse other people of being rude.

Continuing from Reddit.

quote:

I was physically sick when the girl I'd been dating came over, I looked at her and instead of the cute chubby little country girl I'd shown up with she was just the spawn of generations of stupidity. She was as sweet as she could be, she treated me like her hero, and her family loved me. All I could see when I looked at her was every throwaway bigoted comment she'd ever made, every time she'd rolled her eyes at a black cashier, every snarky comment at the Chinese buffet. She had never done a thing wrong to me and I've never felt a need to get away from someone so fast in my life. It's was like I knew she was an anchor and if I stayed with her I'd forever be one of these people.

This is the abandonment of his identity. Again, identity is performative. For yourself and others. In order to abandon this identity, he needed to separate himself from these reinforcing sources of racial and racist identity. Even though she and her family never did anything wrong to him other than be racist, which up until very recently in the story, he agreed with. Even though they loved him, he fled from them, correctly recognizing them as a source of this intellectual contagion. If he didn't flee, he'd be at high risk for slipping back into being just as ignorant and mean and cruel as everyone else around him. He no longer wanted to give white supremacy his attention. His intent was no longer to be a white supremacist. He abandoned the emotional investment he had in it even at personal cost. The narrative became repulsive to him. The action was that he cut all contact.

quote:

I'll never have the words to explain what those people looked like when I was leaving. They had all changed. I left that night and never looked back. I talked to the girl one time because she tracked me down at work and I promised I was okay, my head was just all messed up, and I needed a little time alone. I called my Mom, told her I needed to move home (90 miles away) and by Friday I had ghosted that entire place and everyone in it.

He fled. His life was so complicated with these emotional relationships for people who he once felt empathy for that his only choice to save himself from this life of horrible ignorance and hate was to cut and run. He abandoned his identity because it's not just you or what you believe, your attention, your intent, your emotional connection, your story, your action, but other people doing that at the same time in largely the same way that you do. Shared identity is culture. He had to flee or he risked being infected again by this toxic culture, this intellectual contagion.

In biology, I would like this toxic culture to a reservoir. Not of water, but of a disease. From wikipedia - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_reservoir

quote:

In infectious disease ecology and epidemiology, a natural reservoir, also known as a disease reservoir or a reservoir of infection, is the population of organisms or the specific environment in which an infectious pathogen naturally lives and reproduces, or upon which the pathogen primarily depends for its survival.

A mosquito carries malaria and infects other people, but without the reservoir where that malaria is kept, say in a critical mass mosquitoes or in a swamp, they cannot spread it. A reservoir can be a population of infected individuals or it can be a place or somehow part of the environment. Malaria is not innate to mosquitoes. Just like how West Nile and Encephalitis or Zika Virus are not innate to the mosquito. Not all mosquitoes carry disease, but they can. They are the vectors, the means by which a disease is spread.

A human is not an innate carrier of racism, or any intellectual virus for that matter, good or bad. However, a population of people infected with the intellectual virus that is racism will spread that intellectual contagion, for it is a way of thinking can spread much like a virus. White people are vectors for white supremacy. Not all white people are racist, not all of them carry the virus, but enough of them do to make non-whites miserable. Malaria kills about one to two million people a year annually and infects 300 to 700 million. I'm not sure how many people white supremacy kills, but it has a real death toll. It stalks through festivals and department stores and places of worship and schools with automatic weapons, firing perhaps indiscriminately, but frequently selectively choosing targets based on hatred. It wears a badge and selectively murders. It sits in high office and designs policies to kill and torture. It is a misery. A literal plague on mankind, one strain of a greater, larger intellectual virus that makes people hate each other. And this does not even measure the day to day torture and humiliation that non-whites face while just being around racist whites and non-racist, but racist tolerant whites. And not just being around them either, but just living in their culture and physical spaces. Like a fish must swim through water, non-whites must swim through white supremacy. Its expressions are everywhere. Unlike the fish. the substrate is not water, but hatred and it is hatred for them.

But that reservoir is shrinking. And unlike a disease, it expresses itself differently. A biological virus and an intellectual virus don't map perfectly onto one another. A culture full of racists historically will defend itself more vigorously as the population of non-whites grow in relative vicinity to them. I say relative, because people who are forced to live and rely on one another will see each other as people. Relative distance keeps that from happening, either in physical terms or emotional terms or religious or pseudo-scientific. Pick your flavor.

Many slave states were constantly terrified of enslaved Africans rising up and murdering everyone. This was a real threat. Especially after Saint Augustine had a slave revolt and became Haiti after the slaves in the sugar plantations had repeated revolts until they threw off French slavers. Stateside, state violence wasn't enough. Plantation owner violence wasn't enough. Slave master violence wasn't enough. White supremacy demanded that as many people participate because that fear was all consuming and from the extreme poverty faced by poor whites as the hands of a wealthy plantation class, all they often had to content themselves with was cruelty towards slaves or at least feeling superior to them. So they were cruel and they participated in this violent caste system.

Increasingly I see white supremacy as an ongoing kind of holocaust or shoah. In Europe, the holocaust ended with the extermination six million of the world's Jews as well as tons of other people like socialists and communists at first, but later Poles and the Roma and homosexuals. But the Jews lost six million of their 9.6 million European ancestors in the holocaust. It was crazy how fast it happened, but what people largely don't talk about was about the history. How slowly this happened as well. How this holocaust was the largest of many persecutions.

It was not the first racial pogrom. In Europe, there were racial purges going back millennia as Jews were forced to migrate to places that would receive them or at least persecute them less. I see slavery as a different kind of shoah, or catastrophe. Not as long lasting, but still horrific. It didn't end up with African Americans in concentration camps. It ended up with them on plantations, thousands of years of culture crushed out of them in a few generations. After all, they were from elsewhere, a place that to whites was somewhere with no context. As the enslaved Africans had their language and religion and names, their very identity, beaten and raped and murdered out of them, they became slaves, because it is far easier to make a someone into a something when you remove emotional and historical context from them. Poor whites would never accept being slaves and any attempt to enslave poor whites would have created outbreaks of violence, even rebellion. But other people from elsewhere? Well, they were someone to feel superior to and with the emotional release valve that was slavery, they contented themselves as best as they could.

White supremacy actively harms non-whites, but I'd say that it dominates poor whites as well in a different way. The vast majority of people really. While the wealthy steal the labor from the enslaved, they allow poor whites to be content with their hoarding so long as they have a way to discharge their stress. Without race as an artificial division, what tends to happen instead is the formation of class consciousness. That they are all very poor and that the system is set up in a way that is unfair. But with racism, racists are encouraged and allowed to darkly revel in that unfairness rather than oppose it.

In the absence of racism, the elites then have to work more vigorously to steal labor and resources from the poor. They need to step more carefully. In feudal times, peasant rebellions were common and they tended to be uniform in race because most people didn't travel. Violent revolt was a negotiating tactic when conditions became intolerable. And while I don't advocate for violent revolt, I think that race is very much a tool of power wielded by elites to sabotage that exact kind of solidarity, violent or non-violent. One ape slaps another, who slaps another. The elites of our day basically pay people to slap poor whites, because doing it themselves is risky and gauche. Those poor whites slap non-whites in order to vent that emotional stress and because people are wired in ugly ways, that allows people to be content with cruelty so long as they have someone to feel superior to. And if they no longer feel superior, say if an African American community or even an individual is doing far better than them, they frequently act violently to restore the status quo. All of this so elites can better steal from us. Not only so they may steal, but it is an enormous share of why this culture exists at all.

There's a problem though. This power structure is at serious risk of failing. Donald Trump is a loving idiot fascist and fascists that overplay their hands tend to suffer consequences. Even with social media, perhaps the greatest vector of white supremacy since slave theology and government, perhaps even better than both, it isn't enough. Also it can be used by people opposing this system of violence. White supremacy has a kind of time limit baked into it at the moment. Demographics of people who consider themselves as white are falling and growing older. There isn't enough replacement anymore. White supremacy looks like it is dominating in cultural power and I'll tell you that that's not true. The ugly fact is that for centuries it has dominated and the fact that the mask must be ripped off now shows how weak and terrified they are. State violence isn't enough. Religion isn't cloaking their racism like it used to and congregations are dwindling. And the best, THE BEST that white supremacy can pick in terms of a leader is a D-List reality TV star who is a ball of vices with no discernible virtues. Who if not for his money would be exactly like poor whites. Just this idiot rear end motherfucker with a big mouth. He's like some sort of plant that can't exist outside of a lab or like the Spanish Hapsburgs with who were so inbred that their faces were shaped like crescent moons. They couldn't survive in the wild.

And that gives me hope. White supremacy is holding on for now, but culturally their power is waning. And you can tell that it's waning because the mask is off and the response isn't another Nazi parade like Charlottesville every week. And if they'd succeeded at Charlottesville that very well could have happened, don't think it was a given. Really, don't. It could happen again without vigilance. What happened instead was its failure. It's stochastic terrorist events, random expressions of violence like water sloshed around in the cup. You can't point to where the water was in the cup previously, but you'll know that enough water sloshed around in that cup will spill over. Just like racists getting stirred up for long enough and violently enough will go kill people.

This is ugly, yes. Awful, yes. But the identity that the Nazis are embracing more and more is nihilism. If you pay attention, the Nazis, especially young Nazis, they are abandoning hope that Trump will go full Hitler. And fascism requires that people dominate the streets with street violence. Capturing high office isn't enough. Fascism requires obedience at all levels of society and their power doesn't come from the nation, but from the streets. And the people who fight in the streets are young people. No way are the boomers taking to the streets for some fascist, white supremacist revolution serving as cavalry on their Hoverrounds. They talk about civil war, but they don't want it and they'll want it less and less every year as they continue to age and so too the bulk of the white supremacist movement.

Nihilism isn't healthy for the long term stability of a culture, for the individual nihilist or anyone around them or anyone who they view as an enemy. White supremacy isn't gone and it isn't going away soon. It could make a resurgence, it could reform, but culturally and demographically, the white supremacist movement is declining. And once white supremacy dies out enough or maybe, fingers crossed, for good, we might be able to finally, FINALLY form class consciousness and claw real power back from the elites who use racism as one of the tricks in their bag. And once that trick is exhausted and we stop fighting one another and turn towards them, their masks come off.

Ice Phisherman fucked around with this message at 00:08 on Nov 22, 2019

nine-gear crow
Aug 10, 2013

Smooth Bernie is so played out. The internet’s newest obsession is Baby Bernie.

canepazzo
May 29, 2006



Hello from hell

:nws: :nms:
https://twitter.com/willsommer/status/1197616730346004490

Guze
Oct 10, 2007

Regular Human Bartender

nine-gear crow posted:

Smooth Bernie is so played out. The internet’s newest obsession is Baby Bernie.

Gotta catch all 151 original Bernies

Spun Dog
Sep 21, 2004


Smellrose

canepazzo posted:

Hello from hell

:nws: :nms:
https://twitter.com/willsommer/status/1197616730346004490

It must have eaten itself to save us all.

What was it?

oxsnard
Oct 8, 2003

Spun Dog posted:

It must have eaten itself to save us all.

What was it?

It's still there

canepazzo
May 29, 2006



Spun Dog posted:

It must have eaten itself to save us all.

What was it?

It's still there, didn't want to embed it. You gotta copy paste.

Here's the text of the tweet (that has pics):

2016 Trump campaign surrogate David Wohl is selling a MAGA boudoir calendar, starring himself, for $25.

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal
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Ague Proof
Jun 5, 2014

they told me
I was everything
All the money is going directly to Warren's marine boyfriend.

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