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Just watched Schiff's closing statement, and I think it's the first time a politician's speech has actually given me chills. e:gently caress, sniped
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ReidRansom posted:Maybe, but Pelosi has to go. People were literally saying the same thing about him before he snarked on Republicans and gave a good speech.
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Nov 21, 2019 23:17
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Schiff's Full Closing Statement https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4ssrr2OsQ0
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Nov 21, 2019 23:26
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I hope everyone here who is weeping tears of victory is ready for Mitch McConnell to bury the impeachment in a shallow grave.
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Nov 21, 2019 23:27
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Unoriginal Name posted:I hope everyone here who is weeping tears of victory is ready for Mitch McConnell to bury the impeachment in a shallow grave. Nobody expects poo poo from the republicans idiot. Myself, I'm just glad the dems are doing their duty.
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Nov 21, 2019 23:28
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Unoriginal Name posted:I hope everyone here who is weeping tears of victory is ready for Mitch McConnell to bury the impeachment in a shallow grave. For real. I’m trying not to feel good about any of this because the republicans on the house intel committee are just a small preview of the circus that McConnell and Graham are about to whip up.
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Nov 21, 2019 23:29
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Yiggy posted:For real. I’m trying not to feel good about any of this because the republicans on the house intel committee are just a small preview of the circus that McConnell and Graham are about to whip up. This is a really lovely way to live. You can be prudent and manage expectations without going full blown "I'm preventing myself from feeling any positive emotions what so over like a tech bro on a dopamine fast".
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Nov 21, 2019 23:32
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Yiggy posted:For real. I’m trying not to feel good about any of this because the republicans on the house intel committee are just a small preview of the circus that McConnell and Graham are about to whip up. same, getting giddy over this is just going to make the circus in the senate all the worse.
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Nov 21, 2019 23:33
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Let them vote against impeachment and get creamed in 2020.
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Nov 21, 2019 23:35
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Solkanar512 posted:This is a really lovely way to live. You can be prudent and manage expectations without going full blown "I'm preventing myself from feeling any positive emotions what so over like a tech bro on a dopamine fast". I allow myself plenty of positive emotions where appropriate. This just doesn’t seem to be one of those situations. Nothing would make me happier than to be wrong, it’d be the best bowl of crow I’ve ever eaten. I’d also say that my response to the potential Mattering doesn’t encapsulate my entire way of living.
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Nov 21, 2019 23:51
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Rolabi Wizenard posted:Schiff's Full Closing Statement drat, that was good.
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Nov 22, 2019 00:02
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evilweasel posted:he tried It's consistent with their position that it doesn't count if you try and fail
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Nov 22, 2019 00:22
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Unoriginal Name posted:I hope everyone here who is weeping tears of victory is ready for Mitch McConnell to bury the impeachment in a shallow grave. I mean, yes I actually am quite happy that due to the work of many local activists at least one chamber of the joke we call congress is able to do its, arguably, one most important duty and provide a hard check to the executive, even if they know the other chamber is going to make a fart noise and ignore it. Like, I'm ready for the Senate side to be a complete shitshow that's cripplingly depressing but I'm not gonna poo poo on people glad dem leadership finally decided to find where they were keeping their balls.
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sexpig by night posted:I mean, yes I actually am quite happy that due to the work of many local activists at least one chamber of the joke we call congress is able to do its, arguably, one most important duty and provide a hard check to the executive, even if they know the other chamber is going to make a fart noise and ignore it. Like, I'm ready for the Senate side to be a complete shitshow that's cripplingly depressing but I'm not gonna poo poo on people glad dem leadership finally decided to find where they were keeping their balls. I don't get how people are so upset. Trump getting thrown out would be great, in a way, but it also paves the way for Pence, whose actual beliefs are as abhorrent as Trump's, to govern. We had excellent turnout in 2018 and it looks like 2020 is going to be insane. This is campaign ad material, and best of all, it's not just Trump. Every single shithead republican bootlicker has tied themselves to Trump's corruption, and there's a decent possibility of a complete bloodbath in the elections. Lots of this enthusiasm is Trump himself but make no mistake this whole thing is a massive win for the left
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Oracle posted:I took this as 'compared to my rabidly right wing coal mining family yeah I look like a leftist' “Letting Thatcher drop a mine on my head to own Labour.” E: Actually it’s too bad Gillian Anderson is playing Margaret Thatch in the Crown, she’d be a really good Fiona Hill in the inevitable film. Trump should just be played by real clips of Trump tho. yronic heroism fucked around with this message at 00:39 on Nov 22, 2019 |
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Nov 22, 2019 00:32
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Schiff.... Good?
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oxsnard posted:I don't get how people are so upset. Trump getting thrown out would be great, in a way, but it also paves the way for Pence, whose actual beliefs are as abhorrent as Trump's, to govern. We had excellent turnout in 2018 and it looks like 2020 is going to be insane. This is campaign ad material, and best of all, it's not just Trump. Every single shithead republican bootlicker has tied themselves to Trump's corruption, and there's a decent possibility of a complete bloodbath in the elections. Lots of this enthusiasm is Trump himself but make no mistake this whole thing is a massive win for the left The thing is that Pence is loving awful but probably not "betray our vulnerable allies in a loving tweet" awful. Trump is so off the cuff and insane and so easily manipulated that another year of him in office (even assuming he loses) is a terrifying concept. Especially if he starts doing bad in polls or whatever because he is already freaking the gently caress out. In theory it would be better for Trump to be a big scary dangerous thing to force turnout in 2020. In actuality I'm not comfortable with the idea of endorsing suffering for all the people Trump is going to massively hurt in the upcoming year on the chance he loses more than Pence would.
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oxsnard posted:I don't get how people are so upset. Trump getting thrown out would be great, in a way, but it also paves the way for Pence, whose actual beliefs are as abhorrent as Trump's, to govern. We had excellent turnout in 2018 and it looks like 2020 is going to be insane. This is campaign ad material, and best of all, it's not just Trump. Every single shithead republican bootlicker has tied themselves to Trump's corruption, and there's a decent possibility of a complete bloodbath in the elections. Lots of this enthusiasm is Trump himself but make no mistake this whole thing is a massive win for the left Also, even with that very correct post, even if it wasn't the case the point HAS to be that the president is not above the law just because his party wants him to be. If the house failed their duty to do this the message would be 'all you have to do is make sure you have the senate and you can do whatever you want' and that is, as hard as it to believe, a way loving grimmer future for America than we already are in.
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https://twitter.com/jimsciutto/status/1197658937090285574
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But if the trial is in the Senate presided by Roberts then they’d have to get them all in to testify right? They can’t escape that if called?
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Gatts posted:But if the trial is in the Senate presided by Roberts then they’d have to get them all in to testify right? They can’t escape that if called? *spins the big wheel outside the supreme court labeled 'PRECEDENT????'* Wheel says 'maybe, also gently caress you'.
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Gatts posted:But if the trial is in the Senate presided by Roberts then they’d have to get them all in to testify right? They can’t escape that if called? That's probably up to Roberts but I can't imagine a scenario in which he'd let them escape, especially since subpoena power is one of the most important tools in the judicial system
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Nov 22, 2019 00:43
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Schiff's closing statement makes sense if this process is speeding onto the next step
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Will Dems have subpoena power during the Senate trial? Or will McConnell be able to stonewall the entire thing?
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Unoriginal Name posted:I hope everyone here who is weeping tears of victory is ready for Mitch McConnell to bury the impeachment in a shallow grave. The difference now is that (hopefully) Mitch will be burying himself along with it.
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Nov 22, 2019 00:59
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Unoriginal Name posted:I hope everyone here who is weeping tears of victory is ready for Mitch McConnell to bury the impeachment in a shallow grave. All life, too, must end in death
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Nov 22, 2019 01:10
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If they exonerate Trump....does it set a precedent or is it just "he's not guilty but if someone else did it it's bad"?
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UnknownTarget posted:If they exonerate Trump....does it set a precedent or is it just "he's not guilty but if someone else did it it's bad"? Impeachment is an entirely political exercise, precedent only carries as much weight as the people in office at any given time choose to give it.
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I guess what I was wondering is that if the Senate clears him does it legitimize this behavior for future presidents?
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UnknownTarget posted:I guess what I was wondering is that if the Senate clears him does it legitimize this behavior for future presidents? For republican presidents, yes.
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That's up to the House and Senate elected during the times of those future presidents, that's my point. Tradition only goes as far as the current legislators choose to honor it.
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NoDamage posted:Will Dems have subpoena power during the Senate trial? Or will McConnell be able to stonewall the entire thing? yes, rules already exist  that's be John Roberts' signature where it says "presiding officer" so if requests to subpoena witnesses are approved -- and i'm sure reasonable ones would be -- it's going to be pretty hard to ignore them without being very actively held in contempt
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eke out posted:yes, rules already exist
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NoDamage posted:What happens when Republicans ignore the subpoena like they already have been doing? Who has the actual authority to enforce the subpoena?  again, if someone is ignoring the chief justice of the supreme court's duly authorized subpoenas, they will not get away with it scot-free, they will be hosed oxsnard posted:They could just change the rules with a simple majority though, right? they could "just" change the rules except for the part where they do not have 51 votes for it
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My hope is that with Roberts presiding as Chief of the Supreme Court and Judge of Impeachment, he is not going to take lightly to people defying or skirting around. Sets bad precedent for future and undermines the court/Justice. It would make him look toothless doof.
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Nov 22, 2019 01:44
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NoDamage posted:What happens when Republicans ignore the subpoena like they already have been doing? Who has the actual authority to enforce the subpoena? It's the Justice of the Supreme court signing on the subpoena. There's zero percent chance a lower court judge would rule to let you out of it. What are you gonna do, appeal to the supreme Court?
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eke out posted:
I saw someone post about that earlier, is that confirmed or just expected? Who are the GOP holdouts?
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