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Shifty Pony posted:You really shouldn't discount the people who are moving to Texas from states other than CA and NY. Play around with the Census Bureau's migration flows data and you'll see that red states make up a very significant chunk of net migration into Texas. interesting, thanks for the direct data. I don't know the prevalence but the phenomenon you describe is very true. I feel like a bunch of obnoxious uberracists I've had to interact with are from California. They get mad when they discover that Texas is actually a massive nanny state (relatively)
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Feldegast42 posted:Good luck convincing Pelosi and Schumer to upset the Bailey's enough to do it though.
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Shifty Pony posted:You really shouldn't discount the people who are moving to Texas from states other than CA and NY. Play around with the Census Bureau's migration flows data and you'll see that red states make up a very significant chunk of net migration into Texas. My understanding is while that's happening, it's not enough to overcome the demographic shifts making the state Purple. There's a lot of conservative writing on how U-huals are going from SF to Texas, but the vast, vast majority of them aren't even leaving the state.
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theflyingorc posted:HR1 has virtually no drawbacks for Democrats and would almost certainly be passed if we got another trifecta. HR1, I believe, cannot be wedged under reconciliation so just because there's 51 democratic senators in the Senate doesn't mean it's getting a vote.
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evilweasel posted:HR1, I believe, cannot be wedged under reconciliation so just because there's 51 democratic senators in the Senate doesn't mean it's getting a vote.
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theflyingorc posted:HR1 has virtually no drawbacks for Democrats and would almost certainly be passed if we got another trifecta. Anything that touches gerrymandering is going to piss off the establishment in both parties though since that's how they hold much of their power
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oxsnard posted:On the flip side, that's why I hate the narrative that every Trump voter is an irredeemable Nazi who hangs on his every word. The number of these exact people is scary, but if they represented most "Trump voters", would you expect to go 1 for 3 in southern and very conservative states governor races on him explicitly making it a referendum on himself? It doesn't add up They don't like he is saying the quiet part loud and sabotaging the quiet racism they wanted. I have not seem any example of the "good" Trump voters. Only ones who are openly racist, ones who want the quiet racism, and occasionally ones who voted for the racism but then the Panthers ate their face via trade war or whatever. I don't understand why they get all the benefit of the doubt but that only applies to the selfish Nazis and nobody else.
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theflyingorc posted:I feel like there's at least a decent chance we can kill the filibuster. I think with a 51/49 majority, that may not be doable. I wonder however if you can get the restrictions on reconciliation basically ignored, so you get two free bills of any flavor with a 51/49 majority if the bill (like HR1) is 'good enough'. Feldegast42 posted:Anything that touches gerrymandering is going to piss off the establishment in both parties though since that's how they hold much of their power Senators don't care, and the House already passed HR1.
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CascadeBeta posted:God could you even imagine if Trump lost the popular vote by like triple what he lost it by in 2016 and still won the EC? I legit wonder if there's be riots over that. There were riots. Didn't do any good.
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theflyingorc posted:I feel like there's at least a decent chance we can kill the filibuster. Dems probably need 53+ Senators for that as Manchin and Sinema have already said they won't do it. Feldegast42 posted:Anything that touches gerrymandering is going to piss off the establishment in both parties though since that's how they hold much of their power Yep. This year the VA legislature passed a Constitutional amendment that would ban gerrymandering but it must pass next year in the exact same form and then be voted on by the public. There's real concern among anti-gerrymandering types that now that the Dems have the trifecta they won't disarm. ImpAtom posted:They don't like he is saying the quiet part loud and sabotaging the quiet racism they wanted. I know a number of Trump voters who were basically completely ignorant of the news and/or hated Hillary. I think they all regret their vote now. I can see how people could have been tricked into voting Trump in 2016. There's absolutely no excuse for voting Trump in 2020 though. axeil fucked around with this message at 22:23 on Nov 22, 2019 |
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oxsnard posted:interesting, thanks for the direct data. I don't know the prevalence but the phenomenon you describe is very true. I feel like a bunch of obnoxious uberracists I've had to interact with are from California. They get mad when they discover that Texas is actually a massive nanny state (relatively) The anger at discovering that Texas isn't conservative utopia is probably one of the reasons why Abbott's "blame the cities for being liberal" campaign is so popular with the GOP base. Jaxyon posted:My understanding is while that's happening, it's not enough to overcome the demographic shifts making the state Purple. That's certainly true, it just helps to explain why the state isn't going purple nearly as quickly as you would expect just from the population growth numbers.
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ImpAtom posted:I have not seem any example of the "good" Trump voters. Only ones who are openly racist, ones who want the quiet racism, and occasionally ones who voted for the racism but then the Panthers ate their face via trade war or whatever. I know a couple of them here in PA. They are bona fide "low information" voters who thought Trump would be Good at Business™ and didn't like Hillary for reasons they couldn't articulate. Being forced to listen to him every day for the past few years has made each of them heavily regret their decision and they can't wait to vote against him. I also know a lot of Trump voters who are either insane or racist.
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ImpAtom posted:They don't like he is saying the quiet part loud and sabotaging the quiet racism they wanted. I've met one. He voted for Trump to "throw a wrench in the system" and later regretted his actions. He was reaaaaallly hesitant about sharing that with me though. Showing that the left can really push these people into hiding/against them.
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axeil posted:I know a number of Trump voters who were basically completely ignorant of the news and/or hated Hillary. I think they all regret their vote now. I can see how people could have been tricked into voting Trump in 2016. There's absolutely no excuse for voting Trump in 2020 though. trump at the time of his election was viewed by the electorate as one of the most moderate republicans, there are definitely some small amount of fools who didn't pay enough attention. not enough to warrant giving a trump voter the benefit of the doubt if they have not already made clear they are a former trump voter
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canepazzo posted:https://twitter.com/AmbJohnBolton/status/1197982064945094657 Guessing maybe he had his official white house/government email tied up in the account and couldn't get the password changed or something?
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evilweasel posted:Senators don't care, and the House already passed HR1. Yeah but only in a situation where it would never pass Lets see them do it again next session
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Feldegast42 posted:Yeah but only in a situation where it would never pass two responses on this. first, most of the vulnerable democrats who got the majority above 218 were elected in districts gerrymandered against democrats. they have a vested interest in making sure their state isn't allowed to gerrymander against them again. second, being in the minority suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucks. if you're a, say, new york democrat, you're willing to take a slightly higher chance of not being re-elected in exchange for taking a much bigger chance of being in the majority.
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oxsnard posted:interesting, thanks for the direct data. I don't know the prevalence but the phenomenon you describe is very true. I feel like a bunch of obnoxious uberracists I've had to interact with are from California. They get mad when they discover that Texas is actually a massive nanny state (relatively)
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I've never met a single real life person that was like 'yeah i was a hillary fan but trump's won me over.' I don't mean that hyperbolically. I've quite literally not encountered that. On the other hand, I've got country folk family that were all in and are now squarely in the 'that guys a loving idiot' category(and that's a quote, from an old white guy 45 minutes outside of houston tx). 'Round here though, we don't have a lot of people that will admit to being democrats anyway, so it's skewed. Have you guys encountered the opposite? A real life good faith democrat that's swung the other way?
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Robot Hobo posted:People tend to assume that California is full of liberals. The big coastal cities are blue, the rest trends pretty red. Luckily, those big, blue cities are a few of the biggest cities in the country, so they drag the rest of the state to the left pretty hard. That's a big reason why there's been like 200+ proposals over the years to split up the state. If you were to split California into three states, it'd be easy to draw those lines to create one new blue state and two red ones. Even if you cut it in half (like the State of Jefferson plan that's super popular around here) you'd still take a blue state and make it into one blue and one red. its basically immensely, hilariously, important under the current structure of the constitution that large educated cities have large tracts of bad-thinking farmland
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PhazonLink posted:shouldn't population growth due to people moving there be taken with a grain of salt because climate change is goning to make those places waterless ovens? not if you're trying to figure out how it's going to vote prior to becoming a waterless oven
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oxsnard posted:interesting, thanks for the direct data. I don't know the prevalence but the phenomenon you describe is very true. I feel like a bunch of obnoxious uberracists I've had to interact with are from California. They get mad when they discover that Texas is actually a massive nanny state (relatively) Speaking as a person living in TX who moved from CA, people way overestimate how many Californians comprise the total # of folks coming here. In Austin it was 7-8% tops, most folks moving here actually do so from elsewhere in the state.
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Robot Hobo posted:People tend to assume that California is full of liberals. The big coastal cities are blue, the rest trends pretty red. Luckily, those big, blue cities are a few of the biggest cities in the country, so they drag the rest of the state to the left pretty hard. That's a big reason why there's been like 200+ proposals over the years to split up the state. If you were to split California into three states, it'd be easy to draw those lines to create one new blue state and two red ones. Even if you cut it in half (like the State of Jefferson plan that's super popular in central & northern California) you'd still take a blue state and make it into one blue and one red. My favorite thing about the SoJ is how turbofucked the red part would be without the influx of tax dollars from the big cities. My second favorite is how easy SoJ paraphernalia makes picking out dumbasses in day to day life.
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Looks like he's blocking aid to Lebanon too now. https://apnews.com/4bae0513e28647c59b74bcf51f7550a5
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Spun Dog posted:Looks like he's blocking aid to Lebanon too now. Wait Lebanon has DNC servers now?
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oxsnard posted:here's the whole fox and friends clip from this morning. It's insane Yeah I watched that this morning and his train of thought was completely addled, it was just three or four words from one sentence jumping to another random three or four words to another sentence fragment non stop the entire time. Idk if he's on drugs or just hasn't slept in a few days or is sundowning at 7am or some combination of all of those, but that was exceptionally far from even his normal level of incoherent
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oxsnard posted:https://twitter.com/ErikLoomis/status/1197877216308269058?s=20 The best thing about this is that I had opened youtube and Black Flag Blues had started auto-playing and the opening monologue finished just before I read it. It manages to read perfectly in the same cadence: "Her thoughts drifted to voter fraud." "I felt it in my spirit there was some kind of thing undermining the Bevin win" McDowell said, "I just felt like that the entire time. It was such a dark feeling."
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How are u posted:There's a great climate change thread just waiting for people to post in it. I got directed there from this thread previously, and found it to be... a little off. There's a lot of doomposting, despite the OP saying not to do that as rule #1, and then a lot of memes about domes and stuff. I just checked the last page and people are posting about how it's hot in November or there are leaves on the trees. There are some good posts here and there, but in general I found that thread impossible to use.
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eke out posted:https://twitter.com/kyledcheney/status/1197984893298450434 bill barr has a separate fake investigation going on that involves a US attorney named Durham, so he may still have that in their back pocket
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oxsnard posted:here's the whole fox and friends clip from this morning. It's insane God he sounds drugged as all hell, slurring words and just rambling.
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evilweasel posted:bill barr has a separate fake investigation going on that involves a US attorney named Durham, so he may still have that in their back pocket And this is the one that Trump has been crowing is going to be historical or whatever nonsense his mushbrain has jumbled together.
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Wyoming is evidently the Conservative Utopia from the articles I have been reading for the last couple of years.
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e.pilot posted:God he sounds drugged as all hell, slurring words and just rambling. https://youtu.be/JP1lLiCJ5Rg https://youtu.be/8VQ28e-5kfM
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beejay posted:I got directed there from this thread previously, and found it to be... a little off. There's a lot of doomposting, despite the OP saying not to do that as rule #1, and then a lot of memes about domes and stuff. I just checked the last page and people are posting about how it's hot in November or there are leaves on the trees. There are some good posts here and there, but in general I found that thread impossible to use. Be the change you wish to see in the world
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