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painted into a coroner posted:Seeing a lot on social media about how bad Jo; did. Anyone have any clips on hand? it's honestly worth watching the whole thing, it's like a well put together tasting menu that becomes more than the sum of its parts.
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ThomasPaine posted:it's honestly worth watching the whole thing, it's like a well put together tasting menu that becomes more than the sum of its parts. I wish I could, but iPlayer doesn't work outside of the UK and 90% of the VPNs I've attempted to use still cause issues with it. Is it on YouTube?
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Looks like we found out why Jo Swinson is so vehemently anti-squirrel She's a literal super villainess.
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painted into a coroner posted:I wish I could, but iPlayer doesn't work outside of the UK and 90% of the VPNs I've attempted to use still cause issues with it. Is it on YouTube? Try searching YouPorn for 'Coked out blonde gets hosed hard in Sheffield'.
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Oh my God Swinson spent 90% of her time apologising for her voting record, telling the audience she wouldn’t be able to convince them, and getting completely blindsided by Remainers who don’t want to unilaterally revoke Brexit. Best half hour of telly I’ve seen all year. Those Remainers in the audience are an absolute vindication of Labour’s Brexit strategy and exactly why Labour were smart to avoid going full-throated remain.
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Corbyn staying neutral is a tactic straight out of the 2017 campaign, in that commentators and the press will absolutely ignite with fury but it's a position that might well seem reasonable to the public. So the more they rage, the more publicity they give him and the less reasonably their ire seems.
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Nov 23, 2019 01:32
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I'm pages behind because I got in half an hour or so ago and the reactions to the debate made me immediately want to watch the Jo Swinson section. It was totally, totally worth it. I mean, in a way it's bad because we probably need the Lib Dems to take some tory votes, but it was extremely cathartic viewing. Trickjaw posted:I'm having a bit of a meltdown so sorry if I dont answer This, definitely: Maugrim posted:Don't be afraid to use thread to vent/solicit advice
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Chuka Umana posted:I would've asked Corbyn how tough he is. Given the poo poo he's had to put up with for four years from disingenuous pricks I think he'd have a good answer.
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jabby posted:Corbyn staying neutral is a tactic straight out of the 2017 campaign, in that commentators and the press will absolutely ignite with fury but it's a position that might well seem reasonable to the public. So the more they rage, the more publicity they give him and the less reasonably their ire seems. I think it's by far the best approach anyway, corbyn should be neutral, the backbenchers should have a free vote, cabinet perhaps should adopt neutrality as well though might be a stretch. Pushing through brexit or revoking it is likely to cause or worsen an already massive split, a labour soft brexit and a second referendum and massive domestic investment are really the only suggestion I think comes close to trying to resolve the problem.
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Necrothatcher posted:Given the poo poo he's had to put up with for four years from disingenuous pricks I think he'd have a good answer. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPfUd6g4fIw
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Almost at the end of the QT and god this whole thing is great. Imagine trying to win an election when you're so terrified you can't get ANYONE to go on the loving nightly news shows.
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OwlFancier posted:I think it's by far the best approach anyway, corbyn should be neutral, the backbenchers should have a free vote, cabinet perhaps should adopt neutrality as well though might be a stretch. From the initial stuff in the spin room/Newsnight it seems fairly defensible too. If they bang on about it not being 'leadership' you talk about how real leadership tries to unite the country. If they say how is it credible to negotiate a deal and then not support it, explain that both Remain and Soft Brexit are perfectly acceptable outcomes for the EU so they have no incentive to try and gently caress things up.
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Ms Adequate posted:Imagine trying to win an election when you're so terrified you can't get ANYONE to go on the loving nightly news shows. Remember when the election first seemed imminent and people (me included) were all "In 2017 the Tories ran a comically abysmal campaign where they ran away from the electorate and refused to publicise any of their policies. They won't make that mistake again  They haven't learnt a thing. This is the best they can do.
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the levels of "you're not worth bothering with, gently caress you" the tories are showing to the media is not a great omen for how they'll deal with press scrutiny, and scrutiny of any kind at all, if they win the election. I hope people who aren't news geeks can see that and won't let them get away with it
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BalloonFish posted:Remember when the election first seemed imminent and people (me included) were all "In 2017 the Tories ran a comically abysmal campaign where they ran away from the electorate and refused to publicise any of their policies. They won't make that mistake again It's truly wild to see that they have looked at the historic fuckups of the May campaign and gone "... you know, I reckon we can do worse."
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jabby posted:From the initial stuff in the spin room/Newsnight it seems fairly defensible too. If they bang on about it not being 'leadership' you talk about how real leadership tries to unite the country. If they say how is it credible to negotiate a deal and then not support it, explain that both Remain and Soft Brexit are perfectly acceptable outcomes for the EU so they have no incentive to try and gently caress things up. Yes, this is why I wanted him to push it in the first debate, it does have responses to most attack lines and while they won't work on people who don't want to listen, they are perfectly good answers. Brexit started because of a referendum, and has consitently been put as a popular demand whether politicians like it or not, but directly because the conservatives didn't plan to do it and didn't expect it to win, we've had three years of pissing about. Put a deal together, put it up for public and parliamentary scrutiny, and then do another referendum to confirm it, and be prepared to implement either outcome. Neutrality and willingness to do either is entirely appropriate in this instance and a direct opposition to cameron's idiocy.
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Ms Adequate posted:It's truly wild to see that they have looked at the historic fuckups of the May campaign and gone "... you know, I reckon we can do worse." 
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Ms Adequate posted:It's truly wild to see that they have looked at the historic fuckups of the May campaign and gone "... you know, I reckon we can do worse." Maybe the Tories are so in love with the Great Man view of history at they looked at the godawful, rotten from the foundations 2017 campaign and said to themselves, it must just be that they didn't like this one person
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painted into a coroner posted:I wish I could, but iPlayer doesn't work outside of the UK and 90% of the VPNs I've attempted to use still cause issues with it. Is it on YouTube? If you can stand to pay money then PureVPN is how I watch all my  stuff. It has a dedicated iplayer setting that works 90% of the time and if it doesn't then it will if you wait 10 mins and try again.
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Angepain posted:the levels of "you're not worth bothering with, gently caress you" the tories are showing to the media is not a great omen for how they'll deal with press scrutiny, and scrutiny of any kind at all, if they win the election. I hope people who aren't news geeks can see that and won't let them get away with it They're absolutely bricking it, shunning the press like this isn't them going "you're not worth it", they're going "oh gently caress if we go on the show we're going to create another twitter clip of pure humiliation". Of course, the press hates nothing so much as losing access so... they've hosed themselves coming and going and there's no winning moves now 
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Angepain posted:Maybe the Tories are so in love with the Great Man view of history at they looked at the godawful, rotten from the foundations 2017 campaign and said to themselves, it must just be that they didn't like this one person Remember that after the election it was all May and her two lovely advisers fault and nobody else's, and she was never popular
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Trickjaw posted:I can't lie to you gorgeous goons. You have PMS or contacts, my friend? I haven't had anything from you so I assume you've passed out, but if not please post in thread as I'm off to pass out myself. Godspeed and remember, we're this close to a truly transformative government. Don't flame out so close to victory. Look after yourself and hang in there. Goes for all of you brokebrained comrades really x
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Angepain posted:Maybe the Tories are so in love with the Great Man view of history at they looked at the godawful, rotten from the foundations 2017 campaign and said to themselves, it must just be that they didn't like this one person Theresa May: I'm too busy campaigning against the peasants to appear on a leaders debate Also Theresa May: I thought Amber did a splendid job putting the uppity peasants in their place when I watched the debate at home I miss Theresa May and her straight-forward incompetence (edit: and nth tier malice). Now we just have this miserable combination of Tinman, Scarecrow and Lion but without the introspection.
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I actually feel like things are going worse for the Tories in this election than in 2017. And we haven't even seen their manifesto yet, in which they will inevitably gently caress something up. I suspect a "nothing has changed!" moment is coming very soon. Either way https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4UqMyldS7Q
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Necrothatcher posted:And we haven't even seen their manifesto yet https://www.thetorymanifesto.com/?fbclid=IwAR1Nfvr9itQq1sQgzbdZtd8ee7S2f5cKgMPWeFwFWlHUeJks2V6SUz-TryI ?
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Necrothatcher posted:I actually feel like things are going worse for the Tories in this election than in 2017. And we haven't even seen their manifesto yet, in which they will inevitably gently caress something up. I suspect a "nothing has changed!" moment is coming very soon. I wanted to write a verse from this rhyming reese-mogg and demaoguge but I realised I was just doing hamilton.
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Jose posted:cspam Maybe when I'm back in Bogotá. What would you like to hear about?
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crispix posted:Oh my goodness i think it might be happening again Hope is an illusion, exile.
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