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Necrothatcher posted:I would just like a place to live and call my own. I think this is the key. If it's a choice between: 1. Good homes but some people are homeless 2. Bad homes and nobody is homeless Then I'm going to go with option 2. Obviously the best is "The best homes possible in the budget while ensuring nobody is homeless" but that's such an obvious statement it's kinda pointless to say it.
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justcola posted:I dunno, would anyone ITT actually want to live in a highrise? I wouldn't mind. I kind of like the idea of living at the top of a tower as long as you give me a lift and plenty of windows. I quite fancy the views  I'm an urban animal, though I do like to visit the countryside.
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When you understand footvall https://twitter.com/ChukaUmunna/status/1198168826153713664?s=19
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Pfft. That's clearly a combination of #Libdemfartback and #Torysilentmajority Labour is DOOOOOOMED! 
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justcola posted:I dunno, would anyone ITT actually want to live in a highrise? highrises are in big cities with all the fun stuff due to population density, which is neat.
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Lol at Amanda Platell looking for a bacon sandwich moment:quote:Did Jeremy Corbyn have his Richard Nixon moment with his skew-whiff, smeared spectacles in the debate with Boris Johnson?
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Jose posted:When you understand footvall I mean he's not wrong, voters do want a leader to score goals in the back of the net on the biggest issue since WW2. It's just that that issue is austerity not Brexit and Jeremy has the ball.
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justcola posted:I dunno, would anyone ITT actually want to live in a highrise? Take back the private rented ones into public ownership, take back the land into common ownership etc. Braggart posted:Thoughts on putting parks and gardens on top of low or high rises? It seems like a neat idea but I really don't have the expertise to evaluate it properly. Seems like a possible way to find space for more greenery in cities and to have those green spaces really close to where lots of people are living. Hell, maybe we could have bridges between them so you don't have to go down to street level if you don't want to
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Walton Simons posted:Lol at Amanda Platell looking for a bacon sandwich moment: Yeah because if anyone at that debate looked as shifty as Nixon it was definitely Corbyn and not Boris 
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Ratjaculation posted:The reason I used Singapore as an example is I've spent a bit of time there, and a friend's dad actually works in the engineering aspect of garden buildings. Basically, it's mega expensive to implement, as you need to separate any flora from actual building materials, but it's doable. Why not both? I have a vague memory of hearing that some buildings leave the ground floor free for community use and only start being buildings above that (also in Singapore?) And if it's expensive then it should be a lower priority than actually building the homes for sure, if we do it at all
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Walton Simons posted:Lol at Amanda Platell looking for a bacon sandwich moment: Lol we didn't watch the debate but when my missus (who is probably voting green) saw the paper this morning she said "Boris Johnson looks really ill in these debate photos." He honestly seems to have aged about 30 years since he became pm.
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https://twitter.com/NickCohen4/status/1198211153194868746 If Boris Johnson wins a majority, it will be because the Labour Party is not sufficiently Tory to make Tories vote for them. Christ. These people are genuinely outraged that the Labour Party don't exist to just cancel Brexit and change nothing else.
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a pipe smoking dog posted:Lol we didn't watch the debate but when my missus (who is probably voting green) saw the paper this morning she said "Boris Johnson looks really ill in these debate photos." I reckon his liver is hosed. It is kinda weird that they've repeatedly had to say Boris isn't drinking during the campaign - I mean, why specifically point that out at all?
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Guavanaut posted:Roof gardens are cool. Roof allotments are cool. Bridges between buildings are one of those things that needs a mass planning for buildings with compatible architecture and either turns into: Yes, I was aware that the bridges idea was pretty utopian when I wrote it, and it's therefore the part that I'm most willing to jettison Maybe ziplines like in Assassins Creed would be better. Cheers for the thoughts
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justcola posted:I dunno, would anyone ITT actually want to live in a highrise? No, but I would not want to live in a typical suburb either, where houses are tightly built next to each other and everyone has a tiny yard and the next house is almost touching, I see these rows and rows of tightly packed houses and it doesn't look very nice to me. Small towns and villages of old are much nicer places to me with mixed densities and mixed residential and commercial zones and farms.
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a pipe smoking dog posted:Lol we didn't watch the debate but when my missus (who is probably voting green) saw the paper this morning she said "Boris Johnson looks really ill in these debate photos."  Turns out the position of Prime Minister doesn't agree with me, old boy. But I'm sure World King will be better. Onwards!   
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goddamnedtwisto posted:I know that this will probably get lost in the noise of the debate but thought you guys might be interested in a little bit of local intrigue. Excerpt from an email I've just sent to the Labour data protection address: From a few pages back, but have you considered doing an effortpost or two on the whole tower hamlets/lutfur rahman stuff that's happened over the last decade or so? There seems like there's a lot of stuff top dig into, but because it's local politics it's not the easiest subject to explore from an outside perspective.
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Edison was a dick posted:Had a chat with one of the rough sleepers of Manchester I'm familiar with on the way home tonight. Been thinking about this since you posted it, I go into Manchester once a week, and this super bothers me.  I try and do what I can, but it's not enough... I'll try and take some gloves and handwarmers with me next time at least...
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I'd be okay with high rises if they were of a decent size and designed so that you could move furniture from room to room with ease, but I'm thinking more along the lines of recent new-builds and the potential that future governments may cut back again and you end up with dilapidated hulks like on Candyman or some poo poo. I think everyone's preference is going to be something akin to what they grew up in - so by investing across the country you'd have less brain drain and people can have whatever houses they want whilst building up towns and villages rather than London - maybe slightly simplistic but there's plenty of room outside cities. And most of the causes of homelessness tend to be complex and at a societal level rather than, ey, we ran out of houses. We could all have nice sized houses with community allotments and no roads because its all tram and rail. You just need to build Super Milton Keynes/Brazilia in the middle of Scotland. 
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justcola posted:I dunno, would anyone ITT actually want to live in a highrise? thespaceinvader posted:I mean he's not wrong, voters do want a leader to score goals in the back of the net on the biggest issue since WW2.
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justcola posted:I dunno, would anyone ITT actually want to live in a highrise? I rather like highrises but then I grew up in eastern europe soo. I guess it's a matter of what you are used to. e: For a particular common complaint I often hear neighbours more through lovely semi-detached or terrace walls than I could in a soundproofed highrise building. Private Speech fucked around with this message at 13:53 on Nov 23, 2019 |
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Jose posted:When you understand footvall Lmao "score goals in the back of the net" is identical to my fake football patter during the cups E "labour has to put some goal points on the board before the last half if they want to take home the cheese, its a game of two sides though"
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I'd happily live in a high-rise, but I've lived in a cottage flat for most of my life.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Remain leaders scoring goals in the Remain net is an own goal though. Well that shows you how much attention I pay to sports. (Also in my metaphor it's not the remain net so who cares lol) And FWIW I've lived in at least two buildings over 5 storeys before, one of which was over 10. Not sure what counts as a high rise though. And that's not including student flats.
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Jose posted:When you understand footvall https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfU69_up02Y
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justcola posted:I'd be okay with high rises if they were of a decent size and designed so that you could move furniture from room to room with ease, but I'm thinking more along the lines of recent new-builds and the potential that future governments may cut back again and you end up with dilapidated hulks like on Candyman or some poo poo. The thing that map doesn't show is WHY vast swathes of Scotland are empty: the Highlands aren't called the Highlands because they are flat. Even if you go for the triangle between the M8, M9 & M80, it'd be hard to imagine that much infrastructure spending going on Scotland.
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thespaceinvader posted:And FWIW I've lived in at least two buildings over 5 storeys before, one of which was over 10. Not sure what counts as a high rise though. And that's not including student flats. I'd say 5 stories is a decent dividing line, past a certain point it's just a question of scale.
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quote:The thing that map doesn't show is WHY vast swathes of Scotland are empty: the Highlands aren't called the Highlands because they are flat. Even if you go for the triangle between the M8, M9 & M80, it'd be hard to imagine that much infrastructure spending going on Scotland. I was jesting, sort of, but just building enormous high rises in cities seems too far the other way too. Nettle Soup posted:Been thinking about this since you posted it, I go into Manchester once a week, and this super bothers me. The homeless crisis in Manchester is loving atrocious. There's a number of charities in the area that you can help more directly beyond donating to Shelter (which is also a good thing, but localised help can offer more) The Mustard Tree is based just outside the Northern Quarter that runs a shop and also offers a lot of front-line assistance to homeless people and those with complex needs. There's also Back on Track that can help people in a more stable position to get into employment and such. Coffee for Craig is also another big one, though I've heard mixed things from people who volunteer for them, I think it's starting to get too big for what it was originally meant to be. At a more day to day level, The Booth Centre is a good place to signpost people sleeping on the street - though you get some backlash as it's 'full of spice heads', they offer food and shelter and can be a good entrypoint to access further assistance, as is Shelter. At this time of year clothing is great - hats, gloves, socks - and basic things like sanitary pads, toothbrushes, deoderant etc. Be wary of big drives for donations as a lot of the places don't have capacity to take hundreds of bags of clothing and food at once. A couple of years back someone did a massive drive in Piccadilly Gardens and about 100 bin bags of donations ended up being left outside, rained on and started rotting as places couldn't take in so much poo poo. I don't give money to homeless people directly, but I work with some of the above charities and giving warm food/coffee is always good (and something healthier than Greggs or pizza is also a plus)
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The important thing is where the jobs are - housing will follow. We need to put in effort to trying to get jobs out to second-tier cities, but we're fighting against economic gravity - it's easiest to set up a company doing something near others doing the same thing. Better transport links and communication helps, of course, but even then it'll take huge effort just to stop jobs in london growing - ideally we'd not invest into london-centic infrastructure at all and just make other places better, but london railways are what lots of people tend to use...
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god drat that's a hell of a spike - bigger than the 2nd last day in 2017. let's show the graphs (raw data at https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19BRuYQDh-FmIAOpLVYBIkWoz6Lo7ckuq7euyyVJuqOI/edit?usp=sharing) CAVEAT: voter registration data isn't clear on if it means updated registrations, new entrants, if it was a valid submission, etc. so take this as a grain of salt here is the last two weeks of 2017 next to 2019 as raw data, added a heat map to make the differences more visible:  and no that last day in 2017 isn't a total - the spike on the last day of voting does get that big. yeah this friday was an insane spike relative to 2017 for an idea of how the different age bands have increased registration compared to 2017:  and raw numbers: 2017 (last line is only counting to today, relative to the end of 2017 registration):  2019 (ignore the last line, it's to make comparison with 2017 data easy):  and some random stats:  once again the 45 split was chosen as it's where the polls are claiming the lab/con crossover is at
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Necrothatcher posted:I reckon his liver is hosed. Because the last thing you need is a drunken PM hitting the little red button and nuking all the letterboxes. Of course we know Jo; would just do it perfectly sober and in cold blood. thespaceinvader posted:I mean he's not wrong, voters do want a leader to score goals in the back of the net on the biggest issue since WW2. Jeremy has the ball in hand and he's running with it, gonna score a hole in one. E: The only time I lived in a 'high rise' was when I rented a 6th floor flat in Manchester. £450 a month, those were good days. I really hope that registration surge was people watching QT, thinking 'gently caress this guy as PM' and registering online. Let me have my daydreams. RockyB fucked around with this message at 14:08 on Nov 23, 2019 |
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So Relatively more olds are registering to vote compared to young people when contrasted with the 2017 data? Not promising, honestly, even if the raw numbers are low it might indicate a high turnout.
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RockyB posted:Jeremy has the ball in hand and he's running with it, gonna score a hole in one.
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Communist Thoughts posted:Lmao No no, Chuka, the object is to get the lowest score. It's like golf. Ah, like the sport of men of the people! Then may the best man win. And by best I mean me 
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Guavanaut posted:Low rises with district central heating is the way you want to go for that then. Electricity systems are pretty centralized to the substation no matter how you go as long as it's not individual farmsteads, gas and district heating is fine to run along the base of rows of terraced housing/tenements, and it gets rid of most of the access issues of high rises. Here's a question about gas. I know nothing at all about architecture or housebuilding, but I hate gas. What is it good for? Is there any need to ever run more gas mains anywhere for any reason, if you're building new houses? Serious question. Why not district heating, actual insulation, and electricity?
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RockyB posted:I really hope that registration surge was people watching QT, thinking 'gently caress this guy as PM' and registering online. Let me have my daydreams. I love that that sentence could refer to Corbs or Joris depending on emphasis.
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Braggart posted:And ronya smoothly disengages from the point and moves on to... because it was content-free spin that did not engage with the concrete problem... I don't know why you are reading out campaign leaflets in UKMT. Either it is preaching to the converted or... not, as the case may be. In any case I can assure you that Sir Starmer will not be much bereaved if I do or do not vote for him (in the hypothetical that I do vote in a UK election as a UK citizen). by 'location' and 'kind', to be clear, one is focusing on the size and variety of housing. The UK does not build enough large multi-bedroom homes for the middle class. The growing non-London cities across E&W are already overcrowded, with jobs growing faster than housing supply; the problem there is negotiating with the local authorities in their periphery. People like having more local jobs. They don't like influxes of new residents. This is a constant across the entire Western world, really. Ultimately these are political problems orthogonal to things which win general elections; to be clear, I don't expect that any UK political party to campaign on having answers there. Many good answers are unpopular ones, like "green belt flexibility" or "ease conversion of nonresidential property to residential property" or "reintroduce regional planning at the expense of local authorities" or "allow local authorities to raise more housing-revenue-financed debt, through the now-uncapped HRA". Labour is pledging the opposite of every one of those things, which is not shocking... the hope of the Labour leadership is a landslide victory sufficient to realize its £75bn of council housing, which would eliminate the need for distasteful compromises. It will probably not obtain that victory next month. Does that allow the party to backtrack and make compromises after all? Would it allow Labour-held councils to do so? Who knows.
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Nothingtoseehere posted:So Relatively more olds are registering to vote compared to young people when contrasted with the 2017 data? Not promising, honestly, even if the raw numbers are low it might indicate a high turnout. My totally uneducated (and pessimistic) guess is that it's going to be older Leave voters who normally don't vote in GEs registering to vote for Tories / BP. OTOH in raw numbers the younger registrations dwarf them so that's good. Also the huge spike in u35 registrations yesterday seems really good? RabidWeasel fucked around with this message at 14:17 on Nov 23, 2019 |
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jaete posted:Here's a question about gas. I know nothing at all about architecture or housebuilding, but I hate gas. What is it good for? It's pretty helpful for cooking as you can control the temperature a lot more reactively. Bring on hydrogen gas cookers IMO.
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jaete posted:Is there any need to ever run more gas mains anywhere for any reason, if you're building new houses? Serious question. Why not district heating, actual insulation, and electricity? District heating and hot water and grants for induction hobs and heat pumps would go a way towards helping this too. e: ^^ Electric cookers with actual PID units would be a good thing too.
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