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Aronsen archives are now searchable online, including records of Nazi persecution prior to WWII. https://arolsen-archives.org/en/
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Very useful stuff, thx for the headsup! Working on figuring out where the aforementioned wife went. After her husband died in Denmark 1814, she is said to have returned to Sweden (according to a statement her son gave to the police in 1832). But where? So I'm tracking her siblings to see where they lived, maybe she went to stay with one of them? It's kindof a long shot, but idk what else to try. Her parents were dead and she was 52 at the time. So far I have confirmed that two sisters died in 1773 & 1805 respectively; a brother is tentatively identified though I basically only know that he was in a corporal in the cavalry, he married in 1783, and his wife died in 1807 (but that's it); and finally one sister is entirely unaccounted for. They're surprisingly hard 
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Krankenstyle posted:Very useful stuff, thx for the headsup! Did you check death records? She may have up and died before she had a chance to get registered anywhere.
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Nov 22, 2019 20:11
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Yeah, as far as likely locations anyway, but it's a huge area and timespan to cover...
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Yakiniku Teishoku posted:Any thoughts on finding someone with nothing more than “born around Barcelona in the 1800s and immigrated to the Philippines” and a somewhat common name? Lol Ships manifests. You can find stuff on Spain here: https://www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/Spain_Emigration_and_Immigration There are records for that time period online at familysearch for the Catholic Church for baptisms marriages and deaths for the Philippines though I don’t know if they’re indexed and you may have to test your Latin and/or Spanish. Marriage records may well mention the parish of birth of the bride and groom and possibly parents names. https://www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/Philippines_Online_Genealogy_Records Oracle fucked around with this message at 15:07 on Nov 23, 2019 |
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Yakiniku Teishoku fucked around with this message at 11:29 on Aug 20, 2021 |
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Nov 23, 2019 16:01
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Yeah they all get real bad about properly mentioning women the further you get back 
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Nov 23, 2019 18:55
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Sounds like you're doing what you can. I make copious notes and build huge temporary family trees when I'm trying to figure out where someone is from. Remember to keep all sources handy and check back on them once in a while, maybe you missed something that clicks with a thing you found later. You never know when you hit the jackpot (or if you ever do). Check this goddamn monstrosity out, if I were to print it in full size, I'd need A2 paper lol — the green guy is my ancestor and I'm trying to figure out how/if he relates to the blue guys (who all share my guy's rare surname and have the given name that fits his patronymic, and have the correct age, ie. they fit as being his father):  (anonymized) Carthag Tuek fucked around with this message at 19:26 on Nov 23, 2019 |
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Yakiniku Teishoku fucked around with this message at 11:29 on Aug 20, 2021 |
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Nov 23, 2019 19:41
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Welp, turns out I had misidentified the brother. It was a cousin with the same name who was in the cavalry. But I now have access to a tree on Ancestry.se where I'm working with a woman who is researching this "clan" specifically, so maybe we can figure out together where my g5-grandma went in 1814 
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Nov 25, 2019 01:36
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Krankenstyle posted:Welp, turns out I had misidentified the brother. It was a cousin with the same name who was in the cavalry. That should help. Swedish records really are ridiculously comprehensive and if you've got an actual Swede helping out it should be possible.
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Nov 25, 2019 18:27
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god yeah husförhörslängder are a treasure trove. I have fairly high hopes about it being possible to locate her now that I have an exact birthday and siblings to work with, even if it means waiting until they're all transcribed for the 1815–20 period in some decade to come
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Nov 25, 2019 19:25
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ugh, familysearch keep updating their backend to foil my image-downloading script. pls just let me download the ones i want without rightclicking forever
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Yakiniku Teishoku fucked around with this message at 11:30 on Aug 20, 2021 |
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Nov 30, 2019 13:44
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Krankenstyle posted:Which of these two boys (ca. 10 years old) would you say is the young man (ca. 20 years old), if any? Found a pic of him age 14:  Same ears again, confirming that he's for sure the first kid. Also, for completeness sake, ages 22 and 50-ish:  
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Well this is neat. https://www.futurelearn.com/courses/genealogy quote:On this free online course, you’ll develop an understanding of basic genealogy techniques and how to communicate your family history. For beginner to intermediate.
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neat! but shouldn't it be called pastlearn.com 
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Well this is crazy. Genetic genealogy just discovering more and more whackadoodle edge cases. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/07/us/dna-bone-marrow-transplant-crime-lab.html
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wasnt there a guy who tested negative for paternity and everyone freaked out until they discovered that his balls were from a chimera twin now that i wrote it out it sounds like an urban legend. could happen in theory tho
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Krankenstyle posted:wasnt there a guy who tested negative for paternity and everyone freaked out until they discovered that his balls were from a chimera twin Happened to a woman actually, though entirely possible it’s happened to a guy as well. She was on welfare and they tested her kids and showed up as their aunt not their mom and she was threatened with arrest and her kids being taken away from her. Had to get a dr to testify about it. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lydia_Fairchild
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ohhh yeah that was it. good lord imagine being her, that must be a mindfuck
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Well this seems potentially cool. Someone built their own genealogy filter onto google search so if you use it to search for your relations it'll filter out a bunch of non-genealogy related links. Link to the page explaining how it works actual search page
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Gedmatch has been sold to a company in San Diego that specializes in forensic genealogy. You can see the changes to the TOS here: New TOS Old TOS Line by line changes here When you next log in you'll see a new terms of service you need to agree to before you are allowed into the site. This is what some consider the important bits of those terms of service: Gedmatch Terms of Service posted:As of December 9, 2019, GEDmatch is operated by Verogen, Inc. ("Verogen") following the acquisition by Verogen of the GEDmatch website. So that's that. Between the sale, and this article from last month about how they caved to a search warrant when they really didn't need to do so I can no longer in good conscience recommend GedMatch to end users and I decided to delete my data from it rather than agree to the terms of service. Its a pity, it was a really cool idea, and I understand why the owners (in their 80s) sold. But yeah. Oracle fucked around with this message at 16:55 on Dec 10, 2019 |
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I'm probably going to nuke my data from there as well. It's in Ancestry and FTDNA as well though, so it's sorta already out there.
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skipdogg posted:I'm probably going to nuke my data from there as well. It's in Ancestry and FTDNA as well though, so it's sorta already out there. FTDNA has already caved to law enforcement as well, Ancestry and 23&Me are big enough to have lawyers fight for them still I guess.
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I deleted my data there as soon as they caved to police, but I do worry about how safe that is. I don't want to have inadvertently betrayed family members. My niece would like to do a DNA test to see if she can find any of her father's estranged relatives, so a short-term use of GEDmatch would be useful - as long as deleting really means deleting.
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Oh dear me posted:I deleted my data there as soon as they caved to police, but I do worry about how safe that is. I don't want to have inadvertently betrayed family members. If my family members raped or murdered people, gently caress my family members. They can go to jail. My worry is the increasing number of crimes that are subject to the DNA search. How long before abortion is murder and the database is allowed to be searched to find these horrible unborn child killers?
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Oracle posted:If my family members raped or murdered people, gently caress my family members. They can go to jail. But most people who get convicted or imprisoned haven't done either of those things. I don't believe the police will want to keep any restrictions on their DNA trawling.
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On one hand the kinds of crimes where DNA is all over the place are the absolute worst ones that you want...even need justice to be administered. On the other hand...cops. It just occurred to me that a serial killer who works at a Red Cross blood bank could really go to town.
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Yeah I'm sticking with paper & microfilm. Also, my unknowns are 300+ years back, so it's not like the DNA won't be real thin by now anyway. Speaking of microfilm, I've downloaded 43 gigabytes of scans over the last month or so. It went faster in the beginning (even though I had sleep-timers in there to not clobber them too much) but then they started throttling me, so now my script can take a break and log in again by itself lol code:
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Oh dear me posted:But most people who get convicted or imprisoned haven't done either of those things. I don't believe the police will want to keep any restrictions on their DNA trawling. Most people aren't convicted or imprisoned via DNA evidence, though, and in several cases DNA evidence has exonerated people on death row. See the Innocence Project. So far as I know, noone has been found to be falsely convicted via DNA evidence, and in fact cops and corrections workers have been found to have been guilty of rapes and murders through DNA evidence (see here).
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Krispy Wafer posted:On one hand the kinds of crimes where DNA is all over the place are the absolute worst ones that you want...even need justice to be administered. On the other hand...cops. They aren't just convicted on DNA evidence alone, though, they also have to have been proven to have been in the area, not have an alibi etc etc. I think they actually cleared one guy who was an identical twin this way (and caught his brother). Yeah, here. Oracle fucked around with this message at 21:46 on Dec 12, 2019 |
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Krankenstyle posted:Yeah I'm sticking with paper & microfilm. Also, my unknowns are 300+ years back, so it's not like the DNA won't be real thin by now anyway.
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Oracle posted:Most people aren't convicted or imprisoned via DNA evidence, though Yet. Mass DNA testing and cop use of genealogy sites is pretty new, so that's not surprising. Almost everyone I care about is a left wing and/or environmental activist. Cops are not our friends and I don't want to give them a single molecule more power.
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Oracle posted:This is exactly what you can use DNA to track down, though! I've found relatives with a MRCA (most recent common ancestor) back this far and further via DNA. They've also used DNA to verify the body of Richard III when they found his skeleton under a parking lot in Britian and the direct descendant of the oldest known modern Briton. True, but I'm interested in the directly documentable connections, not only a notion of relatedness/common ancestor. So for it to make sense for me, there'd still need to be some kind of paper trail to explain a given DNA match, and if there wasn't I'd probably be driven mad by knowing the connection was so close but still impossible to grasp. It would have been interesting to verify that my patrilineal great 5th grandfather is the son of my great 6th. It's not an "unknown" per se; the reason I'm slightly uncertain about the relationship is that my great 5th shows up near Roskilde in 1799, and the son of my great 6th "disappears" in Copenhagen in 1791 and I haven't found the definite proof that these two are the same person (everything fits like a glove, though). However, as he was the only son, there aren't any other male lines from his father to use for DNA-confirmation. That he is the only son is confirmed by probate, so there would have to be an undocumented son which brings me back to my original lament... Carthag Tuek fucked around with this message at 03:47 on Dec 13, 2019 |
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Krankenstyle posted:True, but I'm interested in the directly documentable connections, not only a notion of relatedness/common ancestor. So for it to make sense for me, there'd still need to be some kind of paper trail to explain a given DNA match, and if there wasn't I'd probably be driven mad by knowing the connection was so close but still impossible to grasp. Yeah its one of those 'both would be great if I can get them' situations but in a lot of cases there's just not documentation to be had (see Yakiniku Teishoku's post about records destroyed in the war). I run into that a LOT on my paternal German side because they hail from Pomerania which has been fought over for freakin' centuries and WWII did a number on the area and what the bombs didn't get the Russians did. And given that my 2nd great-grandfather was illegitimate and all those church records were lost in the war as far as anyone knows DNA is basically it for me to figure out who the heck his dad was. Ditto my illegit 2nd great-grandfather on my Swedish side. There I have tons of records but noone's talking in any of them about who the dad might be. I have hints and clues (the mom seems to have deliberately named the kid after the dad in traditional Swedish patronymic and one of his baptismal sponsors was a sister of the man she eventually married who never adopted him or legally recognized him as his own, and since 2ggf shared a name with his stepdad's brother who was married at the time of his conception I have a feeling it was said stepdad's brother who was the dad, but that's just a guess) DNA is going to be the only way I untangle that barring some miracle court record popping up that has her suing someone for paternity.
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Ya so far I've been pretty lucky with solid records and haven't really had any need for DNA. I would probably feel different if circumstances were otherwise. I still have my Alsatian (lol) ancestor who was a volunteer in the Danish army in the mid-1700s whose precise origins I'd love to figure out, but as with yours, it's a very contested area and also it's huge. While Bas-Rhin has had their registres paroissiaux online for a while, it seems that Haut-Rhin are starting coming online too so that's cool (though last I checked, they were in the Zs, but only the Zs  ).Re your illegitimate Swede: In Denmark, a man could "lyse sit uægte barn i kuld og køn" (declare fatherhood of their illegitimate child), which gave the child legal rights as an heir etc. This was done in public at the thing, and would be recorded in the tingbøger. The Swedes had and have a very similar justice system (except their thing-proceedings are called domböcker), so I assume they had a similar type of declaration. Tingbøger/domböcker would also record civil grievances including paternity suits. ArkivDigital is digitizing these on an ongoing basis (and you can request a volume to be bumped in the queue for something like 200 SEK). Finally, until 1813, lens-/amtsregnskaber (fief/county accountings) in Denmark contain affidavits from priests regarding fines for lejermål (extramarital sex) which mention the parents but rarely the child (since whether it was even born wasn't important in those cases), though I'm not sure what the Swedish laws were regarding that. Also, did I mention that my genealogical society is paying for an ArkivDigital membership for me? It's so I can provide lookups for my fellow members but I could do some sub rosa lookups for you if you remind me what you're looking for.
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