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Bundy posted:cba uploading such a small clip to Youtube as well so have a shameless self tweet share  Endjinneer posted:15% of your methane gas replaced with hydrogen is a step forwards, sure, but your piss->hydrogen process always takes more energy in as electricity than it gives out as hydrogen. Just leaving the electricity as electricity and giving everyone an induction hob is a far more efficient solution which doesn't involve huge changes to the gas distribution network, pioneering entirely new industrial processes and the systematic collection of every last drop of urine excreted in the UK. Mass rollout of biogas could potentially supply up to 40% of the UK market if we really stepped up to the plate and threw all farm and food waste at anaerobic biodigesters, so that extra 15% is still important, alongside alternatives to gas for newbuilds, boiler buyback programs, and other measures to reduce gas consumption. Any other method is going to restrict the millions of households currently reliant on the gas network.
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Gwaint posted:So as I'm looking to do my bit but have never done anything like this before and am therefore terrified of screwing up: Don't worry. You don't need the welcome pack. Find out when people are canvassing, get out to join them and ask if you can shadow somebody more experienced for a bit. They'll be fine with it. You'll pick up talking points and see how people deal with different topics on the doorstep, and you can take those arguments back to conversations in your circle of friends. I wouldn't bother learning the manifesto cover to cover, you'll be far more convincing if you talk in general terms about how the policies make things better for whoever you're talking to, unless they're a millionaire.
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Gwaint posted:
so momentum has been doing training for this exact specific situation, called "persuasive conversation" training. i don't know if it's too late to apply if you're interested (see https://momentum.nationbuilder.com/activist_training) but you want to shadow generally before you start door knocking, and any argument is much easier once heard.
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Gwaint posted:So as I'm looking to do my bit but have never done anything like this before and am therefore terrified of screwing up: 2) That's an email to everyone; from previous call experience there's no direct participation other than in the text chat where they might ask for questions / comments. So no obligatory participation. It'll just be them explaining stuff. 3) An extra person is generally useful, regardless of experience. If we're talking doorstep, to start with you'll be paired with someone else who'll show how it's done. It'd be a good idea to remember just a few big policies that might be relevant, no-one's going to quiz you on the precise details and if they do you can hand off to someone more experienced, ideally the candidate. Labour do "training calls" where they explain how to do stuff like canvassing - checks their Events page. By and large it's just being a friendly face on the doorstep that they can unload on, it's the fact that someone checked in from Labour and asked about their local issues that makes the difference especially if no other party is visibly active where you are. Again, if you experience problems, just hand off to more experienced canvasser. You could also volunteer for leaflet delivery or backroom work if there's any available - don't need to remember the policies then.
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Some people really are unhinged when it comes to Momentum. I've seen a few comments now that say they're a cult like Scientology.
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RockyB posted:E: Stop engaging with ronya mate. It's like screaming at a brick wall with a particularly pretentious beret perched on it. Nah, I can assure you it's more enjoyable than that  I think it's important to call out disingenuous bullshit. It makes the thread a better place in the long term 
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so....on the housing question again. What would Labour do to ensure that the new builds are up to snuff, quality-wise? I mean, there's just no way to meet the demand the manifesto would put on an industry that still wants to build things out of solid masonry. e: also the eco-friendliness aspect
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Somebody I don't know made a video on how it's important to be neutral on social media during an election. I thought you all might like it: https://www.facebook.com/matt.zeqiri/videos/10100768145220352/
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bessantj posted:Some people really are unhinged when it comes to Momentum. I've seen a few comments now that say they're a cult like Scientology. They've been saying that from the start. Pretty much every melt that got run out of the party blamed momentum thugs and Corbyn cultists.
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wocobob posted:https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1198306806746906625?s=21 That's just, like, your Opinium, man
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Nov 23, 2019 21:00
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My Dad just posted this on Facebook. It goes without saying that he's a lost cause
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All right, thanks guys! I've RSVP'd for canvassing tomorrow. Nervous but excited - I really hope I can help make a difference here
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Superterranean posted:so....on the housing question again. What would Labour do to ensure that the new builds are up to snuff, quality-wise? I mean, there's just no way to meet the demand the manifesto would put on an industry that still wants to build things out of solid masonry. https://www.gov.scot/publications/housing-statistics-quarterly-update-september-2019/pages/2/ quote:There were 5,612 new build homes completed between January and March 2019; a 24% increase (1,092 homes) on the same quarter in 2018. This brings the total for the year to end March 2019 to 21,292, up 21% (3,669 homes) compared to the 17,623 completed in the previous year. 
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Debbie Does Dagon posted:My Dad just posted this on Facebook. It goes without saying that he's a lost cause The right is starting to get better at comedy and it's making lefties nervous.
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Wasnt it Opinium that called the last election right?
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Endjinneer posted:15% of your methane gas replaced with hydrogen is a step forwards, sure, Is this done surgically?
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Survation is the one that's been far more on the ball predicting the last couple elections.
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Survation got the closest voter intention, I think. YouGov posted some constituency MRP stuff that called it quite accurately too, but they got cold feet and went back to their Tory-leaning model.
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Why is labour campaigning so hard if its obvious the lib dems are gonna landslide
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BizarroAzrael posted:Wasnt it Opinium that called the last election right? No, that was Survation I think Opinium said at least a 30 seat Tory majority (someone predicted a 100 seat Tory majority  )
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Gwaint posted:So as I'm looking to do my bit but have never done anything like this before and am therefore terrified of screwing up: I've been hitting the doors lately, as a first timer too. 1) No, you need no evidence. You might need to sign in when you turn up to knock, but it is unlikely. You probably won't be carded. 2) Not sure about that one. 3) Just memorise some of the big picture policies. Labour's Brexit position, increased funding for the NHS and public services (don't bother with numbers, nobody on doors or phones will ask for numbers, just remind them that Tory proposals only get us to what they already cut), making billionaires pay their share, 100,000 new houses every year and free broadband. Most people will immediately mention Brexit if they bother to answer, and your job is basically to convince them that this is not a referendum on Brexit but an election on the future of the nation. Don't get technical unless the other person does, most people aren't interested in technicalities. If anyone asks you anything you are not prepared for, admit it and then suggest them to look into the party manifesto. Just admit it to avoid talking yourself into a circle. You can ask to knock with a partner who is more comfortable and experienced, but I was going solo from the first door and I was worried. Then before long I had hit 80 doors over a couple days and made about 50 phonecalls. Just being at the door and reminding them that Labour exists and an election is happening is helping the cause, you don't need to convince them there and then you just need to make them think about it and tell them how to get more. Get in touch with your local Momentum branch too. They might be running tutorials for party activism and campaigning to give you a system for doing it, if that is what you want.
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Superterranean posted:so....on the housing question again. What would Labour do to ensure that the new builds are up to snuff, quality-wise? I mean, there's just no way to meet the demand the manifesto would put on an industry that still wants to build things out of solid masonry. From the manifesto quote:We will upgrade almost all of the UK’s 27 million homes to the highest energy-efficiency standards, reducing the average household energy bill by £417 per household per year by 2030 and eliminating fuel poverty. We will introduce a zero-carbon homes standard for all new homes. In practice, the standard we currently build to is piss poor. The current building regs requirement for airtightness allows you to have air leakage equivalent to a 20p sized hole in every square metre of external wall and roof. That's the 'state of the art' for new builds. Nothing more exotic than a bit of care and attention can bring that down by two thirds. However, 20% of our housing stock was built before 1920 and that stuff needs more work. External insulation, improving window glazing and reducing drafts go a long way towards helping.
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BizarroAzrael posted:Wasnt it Opinium that called the last election right? That was Survation. Opinium's final poll had a 7% lead for the Tories two days before polling day. Which was wrong but not as wrong as other polling companies had it (BMG showed the Tories with a 13% lead the day before election day lol) Speaking of BMG: https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1198318892877336576
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Superterranean posted:so....on the housing question again. What would Labour do to ensure that the new builds are up to snuff, quality-wise? I mean, there's just no way to meet the demand the manifesto would put on an industry that still wants to build things out of solid masonry. They would have to significantly uplift sustainability requirements within current Building Regulations or introduce new legislation. The industry will whine like CRAZY.
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MikeCrotch posted:(someone predicted a 100 seat Tory majority
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Thanks for this, it may be just what I need to persuade my sensible centrist sister that Labour aren't insane profligates who will bankrupt the country.
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Gwaint posted:All right, thanks guys! I've RSVP'd for canvassing tomorrow. Nervous but excited - I really hope I can help make a difference here
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Actually maybe I've talked myself down a bit too much here. At work today my coworker was telling me about how he just 'couldn't wait for the election to be over' and has expressed exasperation at seeing other co-workers sharing pro-Labour info on social media. One of his big points was how when he'd talked to them about it, apparently they couldn't refute his arguments so they need to learn to not 'buy into a cult-like minded way' or some other thing (I forget his exact words he used here). He also mentioned he couldn't stand Corbyn, so there's that too. I kept pretty quiet about my allegiances and that I think Corbyn's a pretty stand-up decent guy. Instead we talked a little about certain policies, such as his problem with how Corbyn voted to let Shamima Begum back into the UK (though we both couldn't remember her name at the time) - I think I did okay when we got onto Brexit. (He voted Remain but was very much on the fence and now wants Brexit done just so we can stop talking about it) The points I put across was: 1) Lib Dem's position isn't great because while cancelling Brexit is great, their way of going about it wouldn't heal the rift in our society between Remainers and Leavers, and would probably further widen it, meaning Leavers would become aggravated that their voice was ultimatedly ignored 2) Tory's position is terrible because of it threatening the Good Friday agreement, and again ignoring a large proportion of the population which isn't going to heal the rift either 3) Labour's policy is sensible because it'll give everyone a final say, and once it's been done we'll all be able to move on from it and help unite our country again My coworker didn't disagree with me on my points so I guess there's something I might have done well so far!
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Braggart posted:Is this done surgically? It all happens while you sleep. Fully automated luxury hydrogen gas replacement. The only side effect is a high pitched voice.
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Not all olds... https://twitter.com/suziegeewizz/status/1198322448833363968 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48aVfv0LdLk 
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CGI Stardust posted:1) Not as far as I know. They haven't asked for verification in my experience, and you can probably just say it's coming if they ask; depending on where you are either you'll be another of a large number of volunteers or desperately needed so they won't be fussed. I would point out that I've literally never been paired with anyone, and I don't think anyone's ever asked me about my experience. I was just pointed at a door by the board runner and went from there. Mind you I'm a gobby oval office who has a talent for at least looking vaguely like I know what I'm doing, so maybe they just assumed, but this goes all the way back to my very first experience (GOTV during locals) when within about ten minutes of walking in the door I was let out with a list of houses and told to get on with it, although in that case they were asking to literally walk around my block and the neighbouring ones so probably guessed I could handle "Have you voted yet? Do you need any help getting over there? Did you vote Labour?".
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goddamnedtwisto posted:I would point out that I've literally never been paired with anyone, and I don't think anyone's ever asked me about my experience. I was just pointed at a door by the board runner and went from there. Mind you I'm a gobby oval office who has a talent for at least looking vaguely like I know what I'm doing, so maybe they just assumed, but this goes all the way back to my very first experience (GOTV during locals) when within about ten minutes of walking in the door I was let out with a list of houses and told to get on with it, although in that case they were asking to literally walk around my block and the neighbouring ones so probably guessed I could handle "Have you voted yet? Do you need any help getting over there? Did you vote Labour?". Yeah, more often than not you will just be sent at it. If you want to partner up though, if you ask they will say yes. All working to the same ends, after all.
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Endjinneer posted:It all happens while you sleep. Fully automated luxury hydrogen gas replacement. The only side effect is a high pitched voice. Oh wow! I'm a vocalist, and I could use an extension of my upper range
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https://twitter.com/shaunjlawson/status/1198328682554757122 e: https://twitter.com/SueLukes/status/1198327208932257795 Apparently the financial conduct authority are looking into the polling companies. Apologies if this isn't news. NinpoEspiritoSanto fucked around with this message at 21:22 on Nov 23, 2019 |
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I absolutely will ask to be paired up with someone - that way I can learn from them as well as talk to someone in person about what else I can do to help!
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Endjinneer posted:In practice, the standard we currently build to is piss poor. The current building regs requirement for airtightness allows you to have air leakage equivalent to a 20p sized hole in every square metre of external wall and roof. That's the 'state of the art' for new builds. Nothing more exotic than a bit of care and attention can bring that down by two thirds.
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I'd hate living in a tower block because I wouldn't be able to go near any of the windows and would be constantly tense.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Yeah, the Danish limit is about half that, and AFAIK, the Norwegian limit is significantly stricter than ours. It's literally just a matter of weeding out the worst approaches to building houses, and then doing quality control to make sure people actually follow through on building methods that have been proven to work. Red tape! Red tape! The market wants damp, farting hovels! 
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goddamnedtwisto posted:I would point out that I've literally never been paired with anyone, and I don't think anyone's ever asked me about my experience. I was just pointed at a door by the board runner and went from there. Mind you I'm a gobby oval office who has a talent for at least looking vaguely like I know what I'm doing, so maybe they just assumed, but this goes all the way back to my very first experience (GOTV during locals) when within about ten minutes of walking in the door I was let out with a list of houses and told to get on with it, although in that case they were asking to literally walk around my block and the neighbouring ones so probably guessed I could handle "Have you voted yet? Do you need any help getting over there? Did you vote Labour?". Gwaint posted:I absolutely will ask to be paired up with someone - that way I can learn from them as well as talk to someone in person about what else I can do to help!
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Gwaint posted:Instead we talked a little about certain policies, such as his problem with how Corbyn voted to let Shamima Begum back into the UK (though we both couldn't remember her name at the time) Arguing from the fact that not doing it would leave her stateless doesn't work with these people but that sometimes does.
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