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CharlestheHammer posted:got to give Tulsi credit I think she is the first to acknowledge the US might be behind this. Did she really acknowledge it though? She said it was a coup, but she didn't necessarily take the stance that the US was involved, just that it shouldn't be. She could just mean in the future.
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sleeptalker posted:Did she really acknowledge it though? She said it was a coup, but she didn't necessarily take the stance that the US was involved, just that it shouldn't be. She could just mean in the future. I mean realistically that’s as close as you are gonna get
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Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3 posted:Cool that Ayanna Pressley recognizes the coup but the person she endorsed for president doesn't.
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didn't see this bit of death squad action https://twitter.com/AgenciaElVigia/status/1197679159985750016
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Fast Luck posted:Good idea This is why you have to purge the right-wingers from all institutions (and ideally from this mortal plane).
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Death to the collaborator press. They deserve to be flayed and eaten by dogs. Every day I grow closer to the light of the DotP
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Ytlaya posted:This is why you have to purge the right-wingers from all institutions (and ideally from this mortal plane). Evergreen quote from Parenti about how freedom of speech for liberals means freedom for fascists and nazis to print their own newspapers
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looks like the mainstream media has finally decided to report on the slaughter of protestors and has also acknowledged that la paz is completely cut off. NYT/wapo/CNN are all mentioning a meeting between anez and "opposition groups" tomorrow, so this is probably when mesa swoops in to appoint himself the reasonable centrist let the fascists take the initial heat and then ransack the country with neoliberalism after you take over.
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BEAR GRYLLZ posted:looks like the mainstream media has finally decided to report on the slaughter of protestors and has also acknowledged that la paz is completely cut off. NYT/wapo/CNN are all mentioning a meeting between anez and "opposition groups" tomorrow, so this is probably when mesa swoops in to appoint himself the reasonable centrist god you're so loving right. gently caress. jesus loving christ. poo poo. that's exactly what's going to happen
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BEAR GRYLLZ posted:looks like the mainstream media has finally decided to report on the slaughter of protestors and has also acknowledged that la paz is completely cut off. NYT/wapo/CNN are all mentioning a meeting between anez and "opposition groups" tomorrow, so this is probably when mesa swoops in to appoint himself the reasonable centrist Who is Mesa? 
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Lawman 0 posted:Who is Mesa? guy who lost the election to Morales
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Cup Runneth Over posted:guy who lost the election to Morales Oh ok I was confused thanks
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Yeah I was actually thinking of Mesa earlier when someone brought up Camacho and I said something similar. I think that's what they're trying to pull off. The interim guys being extra bad helps their strategy -- he'll look better by comparison.
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Mister Bates posted:the Colombian police have already managed to kill a couple people in a strike that's been ongoing for less than 48 hours Bit of a change though, in Colombia the right prefers to murder people before hand to stop strikes from happening at all
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Al! posted:my biggest problem with greenwald is hiring dipshits like lee fang
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Crazy idea but how about just reinstating the guy who was elected president via free and fair election
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Addamere posted:Crazy idea but how about just reinstating the guy who was elected president via free and fair election a neoliberal reading of the consitutions of latin american countries always turns up a clause about how the official opposition leader is actually automatically the legitimate leader if you feel like it
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When I say "death to the collaborator media," for the record, I also mean CNN
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unwantedplatypus posted:When I say "death to the collaborator media," for the record, I also mean CNN Imagine wanting CNN to continue to exist.
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A tentative agreement for new elections has been reached. The UN will oversee them and help run them, and Morales will not be allowed to run. https://www.telesurenglish.net/news/United-Nations-Presents-a-Peace-Building-Agreement-for-Bolivia-20191123-0003.html
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Mister Bates posted:A tentative agreement for new elections has been reached. The UN will oversee them and help run them, and Morales will not be allowed to run. Bullshit. The outcome is preordained
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Tom Guycot posted:Bullshit. Indeed
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WHERE DID EVO HIDE THE MONEY?!?? ...woooof? *waterboards the border collie* 
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Mister Bates posted:A tentative agreement for new elections has been reached. The UN will oversee them and help run them, and Morales will not be allowed to run. I absolutely believe MAS will win the elections, but the right wing coup people will never respect the results.
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Mister Bates posted:A tentative agreement for new elections has been reached. The UN will oversee them and help run them, and Morales will not be allowed to run. MAS must refuse. the coupists are scared, La Paz is under siege. It would be bad strategy to agree to surrender.
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Venom Snake posted:I absolutely believe MAS will win the elections, but the right wing coup people will never respect the results. Without Morales and several other key members, who still have most wanted cards out for them like in Iraq, MAS will win a majority but not outright win in the first round, because even with Morales it was a close win, and the "democratic opposition" is just gonna work with the fascists in the second round and win the run off. That was Mesa's play the last time, before he, like every other centrist before him, got pushed to the side by the fascists he aligned with and Añez ended up as "president"
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Spice World War II posted:Without Morales and several other key members, who still have most wanted cards out for them like in Iraq, MAS will win a majority but not outright win in the first round, because even with Morales it was a close win, and the "democratic opposition" is just gonna work with the fascists in the second round and win the run off. That was Mesa's play the last time, before he, like every other centrist before him, got pushed to the side by the fascists he aligned with and Añez ended up as "president" I don't know if this entire conflict has made people like the right-wing and centrists more. Do you?
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PawParole posted:MAS must refuse. the coupists are scared, La Paz is under siege. I kinda hope I am wrong, but I think they will accept. Morales and MAS have seemed seriously concerned about the blood toll this whole conflict was going to take from the Bolivian people from the very beginning. I don't think they want to continue to literally feed their supporters to the fire. Military and police had already shown long before they officially deserted that they were not gonna protect any indigenous communities (hospitals and schools burned down etc), and post coup they have made very clear that they are absolutely willing to use lethal force. The coup has de facto silenced all alternative media, and the public narrative is that the MAS are threatening to starve thousands of innocent Bolivians for their drug lord boss, and if you look at cell phone videos from "bystanders" in La Paz office towers they all seem extremely surprised at the ants on the street being tear gassed, but there isn't really a sense of outrage.
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Venom Snake posted:I don't know if this entire conflict has made people like the right-wing and centrists more. Do you? There's probably a lot of scared honkies in La Paz who were quaking in their apartments at the sight of indigenos marching down the streets, who are more willing to vote for "no MAS"
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Venom Snake posted:I don't know if this entire conflict has made people like the right-wing and centrists more. Do you? Well, you have to keep in mind that the people that supported Mesa and his unholy Santa Cruz Allies, knew very well who they were supporting in the first round. All the racism and hatred was on very public display for the last 14 years. So, I see no reason why the outright fascists would have any less supporters than before, and the "centrist" Mesa supporters were already willing to make a deal with them the last time around, and were more than happy about the coup when it happened. Somehow I don't think a bunch of dead indians will suddenly change their minds when putting them back into their place (as god intended) was pretty much part of the platform of your coalition. Hell I read an article written by a Mesa supporter for a German agency where he literally complained that "the indigenous people showed an unbecoming sense of triumph" in the last decade, so it all kinda was their own fault in the end. I mean, if they don't meddle any more (lol) than just banning the best MAS candidates, it will still be close probably, but there was a real danger for Morales in a second round the last time, which is why just "proving" a run off was necessary was the OAS playbook from the start. So I am not sure that MAS can win a second round with an unknown candidate
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Mister Bates posted:A tentative agreement for new elections has been reached. The UN will oversee them and help run them, and Morales will not be allowed to run. On what grounds would Evo be barred if term limits are unconstitutional in Bolivia? Other than might makes right obviously.
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fundamentally they can’t back down from the he was a tyrant defense. Though the fact they are saying it was a coup but the factions involved aren’t barred is surely just an oversight
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Liberalism can only work by dismissing the contradictions in favor of some notion of incremental progress. Like, their moral worldview is absolutist in the sense that every evil is absolutely evil and requires immediate action to correct it - except when it comes to the evils we're responsible for, because doing anything about it would require violence and hurting people is evil. So overthrowing democratically elected left wing governments or right wing dictatorships is a necessary good because it's all premised on the idea that progress can't happen until you empower people who conveniently fall in line with the Washington Consensus. It doesn't matter that objectively, foreign interventionism produces way worse outcomes than the status quo almost every single time - because like Ytlaya said, they only care about whatever makes them feel good at the moment. And that swords name was mohamed ata
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:There's probably a lot of scared honkies in La Paz who were quaking in their apartments at the sight of indigenos marching down the streets, who are more willing to vote for "no MAS" That sounds correct, though I'd be interested in what the MAS leaders on the ground are thinking about this. It does give time for the left to prepare, right now on the ground it seems clear that the coup forces could hold onto what they had but expand no further. Also I don't know if it's been asked but what do the unions think of this? They've been as much leaders of the opposition to the coup as the MAS legislative people have
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Fast Luck posted:Good idea imagining lib reporters watching this and fuming with jealousy that they can't yet do the same to glenn
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Dreddout posted:And that swords name was mohamed ata
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