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Vincent Van Goatse posted:Underpowered at altitude. BalloonFish posted:snip Thanks guys!
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How well could a pilot bail out of a P-39 with that side door?
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Hunt11 posted:Please tell me the response involved telling this rear end in a top hat to gently caress off. It's the Civil War Talk forums so if you reply with anything less courteous than the mildly disguised snark of a 19th century Southern gentleman you'll probably have your post deleted by the mods.
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Nov 24, 2019 18:53
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What if you beat him to a pulp with a cane
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Fangz posted:What if you beat him to a pulp with a cane That was like a crazy pro-slavery guy in Kansas right?
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Nov 24, 2019 21:50
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the crazy anti-slavery guys in kansas (like john brown) hacked people to death, but it was a crazy pro-slavery south carolinian congressman who beat charles sumner into years of convalescence - on the senate floor. the beating, not the convalescence. that occurred elsewhere edited for correctness oystertoadfish fucked around with this message at 22:34 on Nov 24, 2019 |
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Nov 24, 2019 22:31
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Someone said John Brown was given the swords by Ambrose Bierce's uncle but I've been unable to verify this. Sounds cool though
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John Brown was a dumbass (and Frederick Douglass basically told him as much when he tried to explain his obviously ridiculous plan for the raid on Harper's Ferry) and there's never really any excuse for kidnapping and murdering people, but on the other hand most of the people he killed were also awful. In conclusion, if you don't want to die horribly and predictably you should probably avoid getting involved in extralegal mob violence edit: also my avatar man raises some pretty good points in regards to the difficulty defining war crimes and how often its better to avoid semantics and focus on the issues. Squalid fucked around with this message at 04:26 on Nov 25, 2019 |
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I don't know much about John Brown, but knowing what I do about Cassius Clay, it was exhausting and dangerous to be an abolitionist in the south during the height of slavery. It only makes sense that there'd be violence going back the other way from time to time. As to whether Brown's actions were either heroic, dumb, or bad, I dunno, that's a complex question. It's not even properly a war, but US history is filled with weird irregular unofficial conflicts. Skimming wikipedia, there's a bit where after holing up in a building, he sent his son out with a white flag to surrender only to be shot dead, which is its own violation.
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Nov 25, 2019 06:33
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Squalid posted:there's never really any excuse for kidnapping and murdering people Yeah that's why he was an abolitionist
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What made the Eastern Front air combat happen at lower altitudes? Lack of any business with heavy bomber/bigger emphasis on CAS? Nobody explained that "Grants being assembled next to Shermans" pic :/ Speaking of tanks: congrats to Ensign Expendable for breaking out into the bigger waters of grognard posting! GotLag posted:Yeah that's why he was an abolitionist 
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Bombers were used tactically against frontline targets or targets near the front itself, there was not a strategic bombing campaign as over Germany. Bombers were mainly twin-engined medium heavy bombers - there were not four-engined bombers flying high as over Europe. The proliferation of dedicated ground attack planes (the il-2 comes to mind, but there were probably others) dragged it down, as these had to fly at low altitude. When the bombers and CAS planes flew lower, that's where they fighters went to meet them I guess.
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JcDent posted:What made the Eastern Front air combat happen at lower altitudes? Lack of any business with heavy bomber/bigger emphasis on CAS?
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Nessus posted:What happened with Ensign? Has he been promoted to a Guards regiment? Kinda! quote:Also: instead of only doing these thing ad-hoc on my blog, I've gone legit and the articles are slowly coming up on Warspot itself in a brand new English section. Check it out: https://warspot.ru/categories/9-english
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JcDent posted:Nobody explained that "Grants being assembled next to Shermans" pic :/ It's just production overlap, likely during the period when Sherman production was starting and the factory was finishing the last of the Lees it was building. In the previous thread I did a short timeline of the rapid state of US tank development and the M4 Sherman design was finalized about a month after the Lee entered production in 1941 but didn't enter production until February and July of 1942 (cast and welded respectively) so between then you've got factories already building thousands of tank hulls because the British need them and a 75mm gun in a compromise design is better than no tank or no 75mm gun at all.
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Nessus posted:What happened with Ensign? Has he been promoted to a Guards regiment? Congratulations yeah.
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C.M. Kruger posted:...the British need them and a 75mm gun in a compromise design is better than no tank or no 75mm gun at all. The first rule of armored combat is to bring armor.
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MrYenko posted:The first rule of armored combat is to bring armor. At some graveyard in New Zealand, people passing the headstone of Robert Semple could just hear a muffled exclamation "this one gets it!"
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Nov 25, 2019 15:29
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JcDent posted:What made the Eastern Front air combat happen at lower altitudes? Lack of any business with heavy bomber/bigger emphasis on CAS? The VVS didn't really do by-definition CAS...their normal approach was to send out gobs of attack aircraft on semi-independent missions targeting whatever they could find in rear areas. After having been so badly mauled in the earlier parts of the war pilots were normally told to fly as low as possible to avoid having to tangle with the Luftwaffe. This meant they had to deal with the trillions of German light AA systems that were absolutely everywhere, but that was preferable to getting jumped by fighters at medium altitude. One of the things pilots often lose sight of (and this includes modern pilots) is the fact that the fighters have to go where the targets are...not the other way around. So, if your job is to intercept attack aircraft, and attack aircraft are flying at treetop level, guess where you're flying? It was a fairly impressive technical achievement for the Germans to field fighter aircraft that could hold their own both against the late-war Russian hot-rod low altitude dogfighters and the USAAF's gorgeous polished-aluminum superfast turbosupercharged high altitude escort aircraft.
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JcDent posted:Nobody explained that "Grants being assembled next to Shermans" pic :/ Thank you! The reason they were assembled side by side is that just because you decide to switch over to producing a new tank doesn't mean all your M3 parts stock gets melted down. It will take some time for your pipeline to fully switch over to M4 tanks. This same phenomenon was seen in other countries, German tanks early in a series tended to look much like their predecessors while the old stocks were worked out.
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Re John Brown, the historiography of that guy is pretty fascinating. Today he's mostly portrayed as a well-meaning and morally correct but semi-insane guy who put together a harebrained scheme that accomplished little more than killing a bunch of the people he intended to set free. This may be reasonably accurate; it is largely influenced by the writings of one RE Lee and Horace Greely, and then the later Lost-Causey historical writers of the early 20th century. That said, his contemporaries and most writers for the first few decades after his death rarely described him as batshit. Northerners and southerners alike thought of him as calculating and visionary...although of course he was extolled as a hero by the abolitionist crowd, and as a terrorist by the pro-slavery crowd. The raid was generally described as a deliberate attempt to drive the wedge between north and south so deep that it couldn't be removed. There's a lot of circumstantial evidence to support this hypothesis; his most famous quote ("purged away with blood") being the most prominent.
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The raid at Harper's Ferry was meant to start a slave uprising in the South but it failed because Brown believed that the slaves would instantly find out about the raid somehow and come to him to receive their weapons. His goal was to destroy slavery, also the South in the process, but he wasn't sane enough to accomplish this in a meaningful fashion. John Brown was well meaning, and honestly a step above most abolitionists in his views, but he was very obviously deranged. RocknRollaAyatollah fucked around with this message at 17:00 on Nov 25, 2019 |
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I watched this entire video about reloading the Iowa's 16 inch guns. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OmOQs0ziSU there are so many dangerous looking things in there it reminds me a video game or something. is there any estimate how many fingers the Iowas claimed?
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bewbies posted:I watched this entire video about reloading the Iowa's 16 inch guns. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OmOQs0ziSU As of 1989, at least 470 fingers.
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chitoryu12 posted:As of 1989, at least 470 fingers.
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I bought a book by Ensign Expendable but he apparently uses a ghost writer as the author on the cover is a completely different person. Didn't bother reading it because there were only like 5 photos. 3/10 Jobbo_Fett fucked around with this message at 18:46 on Nov 25, 2019 |
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bewbies posted:I watched this entire video about reloading the Iowa's 16 inch guns. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OmOQs0ziSU I still don't understand why it was so difficult for the Navy to admit that the accident was a result of a combination of factors, mainly that a poorly designed 1940s era ramming system and its interaction with the powder the Navy had rebagged in the 1980s caused an explosion.
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80s rah rah Reaganism and homophobia.
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SimonCat posted:I still don't understand why it was so difficult for the Navy to admit that the accident was a result of a combination of factors, mainly that a poorly designed 1940s era ramming system and its interaction with the powder the Navy had rebagged in the 1980s caused an explosion. It wasn't just the system as designed, it also had to do with some of the senior leadership on the Iowa loving around in a dangerous way. The Master Chief Fire Controller and the Gunnery Officer were basically trying to set range records using the guns and were turbo-charging the loads. This is something you see gun nerds who make their own ammo do occasionally - make "nuclear" loads with the intention of shooting faster and further. Only there if you gently caress up badly enough you blow up a rifle or pistol, maybe lose some fingers, and in a worst case scenario kill yourself. In this case the people trying to make a Battleship sized .22 Eargesplitten Loudenboomer blew up a turret, which meant that they were OK and a bunch of junior enlisted dudes were dead. If you're the Navy it's a LOT easier to say "we had a homicidally suicidal gay" than "senior leadership was reckless and irresponsible and got a bunch of your sons killed in peacetime for no good reason." edit: there are other issues in play as well. IIRC the powder was super old (maybe WW2 vintage?) and old powder can be unpredictable. They were also playing fast and loose with other things, like shooting the cannons at angles that they shouldn't be at short of a oh gently caress slugging engagement with another line of BBs. That's all secondary stuff that highlights some of the larger issues with the command, however: if they hadn't been trying to prove how big their dicks were by throwing shells further than they'd been thrown before none of those would have lead to the tragedy.
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I have a question about polearms. The short ones, about man-size, not the long pikes of Hey Guns dreams. They often had like three different pointy bits on one end. What was their role on the battlefield? Who would use them? How would they fight with them? Why did they stop being used?
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VanSandman posted:I have a question about polearms. The short ones, about man-size, not the long pikes of Hey Guns dreams. They often had like three different pointy bits on one end. What was their role on the battlefield? Who would use them? How would they fight with them? Why did they stop being used? Poking the poo poo out of the other guy? Guns?
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VanSandman posted:I have a question about polearms. The short ones, about man-size, not the long pikes of Hey Guns dreams. They often had like three different pointy bits on one end. What was their role on the battlefield? Who would use them? How would they fight with them? Why did they stop being used? These: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partisan_(weapon) ?
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Hegel what's your favorite polearm head Also I believe the billhook at least was that way so a spearman could dismount cavalry with it, so probably something like that.
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RocknRollaAyatollah posted:The raid at Harper's Ferry was meant to start a slave uprising in the South but it failed because Brown believed that the slaves would instantly find out about the raid somehow and come to him to receive their weapons. It wasn't "somehow". Brown's plan was to grab the guns, and then send people to nearby plantations to recruit slaves from there. When he had enough people, he planned to head south with a slave army, growing along the way as it attacked plantations and recruited slaves from them, as well as seizing more weapons and supplies. It wasn't a great plan, but, you know, it worked for Spartacus up to a point. Brown's problem was that he overestimated the willingness of slaves to join him (I think he got about 30) and underestimated the response time of the Virginia militia and US Army.
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bewbies posted:I watched this entire video about reloading the Iowa's 16 inch guns. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OmOQs0ziSU They used to let you camp on the USS Alabama and let me tell you that poo poo is treacherous at night with a light dusting of mist. All those fingers probably ended up the same place with the missing teeth from slipping on the stairs or clotheslining yourself on the smaller AA mounts. What's the 470 joke?
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Milo and POTUS posted:They used to let you camp on the USS Alabama and let me tell you that poo poo is treacherous at night with a light dusting of mist. All those fingers probably ended up the same place with the missing teeth from slipping on the stairs or clotheslining yourself on the smaller AA mounts. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Iowa_turret_explosion
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Milo and POTUS posted:What's the 470 joke? number of dead people * 10 = lost fingats
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HEY GUNS posted:uss iowa's captain did something with powder you aren't supposed to do and killed a bunch of people by accident. 1989 being what it was they blamed a gay guy. Iirc it wasn’t the captain who was pushing it, but he signed off on it.
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What was the Iowa’s mission in 1989? Carrier escort?
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zoux posted:Hegel what's your favorite polearm head https://www.army.mil/article/39067/3rd_brigade_combat_team_soldier_earns_silver_star Claymore mine is my favorite polearm head (this is apparently also a legit early modern cityfighting thing) Bonus: since he cooperated with an airman, it's technically cross-domain fires!
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