USPOL Fall: Biden the hand that feeds you

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Harton: Jun 13, 2001

bobua posted:

Your system of 'I don't like what the party has become but I'm sort of sticking with them for sorta reasons' is exactly what's wrong with the party. I know you think you're one of the 'good republicans' but you're not. By all means pat yourself on the back for not hating the jews or whatever but if you don't actually agree with their policies, don't vote for them, and don't publicly support them.

The only people that no politician\party gives a rats rear end about are the people that will not change no matter what.

Yeah you nailed this one, there are no good republicans.

Sorry OP your a scumbag!

This is Smokey, she is a good girl and has a fluffy butt!

Harton fucked around with this message at 22:30 on Nov 25, 2019

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oxsnard: Oct 8, 2003

did we get the ruling on the subpoenas?

# ? Nov 25, 2019 22:27

Polyseme: Sep 6, 2009; GROUCH DIVISION

GreyjoyBastard posted:

I hope he committed Mail Crimes

I was expecting an extra tree crimes out of nowhere

# ? Nov 25, 2019 22:29

Angry_Ed: Mar 30, 2010; Grimey Drawer

GreyjoyBastard posted:

I hope he committed Mail Crimes

He'd be turbofucked if so, given the apparent scary effectiveness of the US Postal Inspection Service.

# ? Nov 25, 2019 22:33

Sub Par: Jul 18, 2001; Dinosaur Gum

oxsnard posted:

did we get the ruling on the subpoenas?

Came here hoping to see this at the tail end of a long work day. Really hoping this drops soon.

# ? Nov 25, 2019 22:34

Farmer Crack-Ass: Jan 2, 2001; this is me posting irl

Dapper_Swindler posted:

pence is a monster but he actually likes animals, he has that bunny that john oliver parody, a couple cats including one with obvious dementia and a snake. trump is so broken as human he doesnt undertand/dislikes animal companion ship.

even hitler liked dogs

consider that phrase in contrast to trump

even hitler liked dogs

# ? Nov 25, 2019 22:35

Shats Basoon: Jun 13, 2013

eke out posted:

https://twitter.com/LoopEmma/status/1199061855177756675

someone quote the whole thing or give me your WSJ login please

quote:

By Rebecca Davis O�Brien, Rebecca Ballhaus and Shelby Holliday
Nov. 25, 2019 3:12 pm ET
Subpoenas issued to people with ties to President Trump�s personal lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, and his associates indicate a broad federal investigation into possible money laundering, obstruction of justice and campaign-finance violations, and suggest that prosecutors are looking closely at the work of Mr. Giuliani himself, according to people familiar with the matter.

In recent weeks, prosecutors have sent subpoenas and other requests to potential witnesses seeking records and information related to Mr. Giuliani and two of his associates, according to the people. The investigation, led by the Manhattan U.S. attorney�s office and the Federal Bureau of Investigation, has already led to campaign-finance charges against the associates, Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman.

The subpoenas offer the clearest indication yet that federal prosecutors are examining Mr. Giuliani�s consulting work. Among the entities named in the subpoenas are Giuliani Partners, a security-consulting firm founded by Mr. Giuliani in 2002 that had multiple foreign clients, including a city in Ukraine. The subpoenas also sought information on a company co-founded by Mr. Parnas that paid Mr. Giuliani for business and legal advice.

Mr. Giuliani said in an interview that he hadn�t been contacted by prosecutors and has denied wrongdoing.

Subpoenas described to The Wall Street Journal listed more than a half dozen potential charges under consideration: obstruction of justice, money laundering, conspiracy to defraud the United States, making false statements to the federal government, serving as an agent of a foreign government without registering with the Justice Department, donating funds from foreign nationals, making contributions in the name of another person or allowing someone else to use one�s name to make a contribution, along with mail fraud and wire fraud.

Messrs. Parnas and Fruman, both Florida businessmen and U.S. citizens born in former Soviet republics, have pleaded not guilty. A lawyer for Mr. Parnas didn�t respond to a request for comment; a lawyer for Mr. Fruman didn�t immediately comment.

Investigators have sought information from prospective witnesses about Messrs. Parnas�s and Fruman�s political and business activities, and how they intersected with the Trump administration and Mr. Giuliani�s work, according to the people familiar with the investigation.

The subpoenas also sought materials related to America First Action and America First Policies, two pro-Trump groups. Kelly Sadler, a spokeswoman for the groups, said the organizations contacted the Manhattan U.S. attorney�s office last month and offered to cooperate. She said neither group received a subpoena.

Prosecutors alleged in the indictment last month that Messrs. Fruman and Parnas concealed the true source of a $325,000 donation to America First Action by listing it as a gift from an energy company they had recently founded. The super PAC said it has placed the contribution into a segregated bank account.Mr. Giuliani in an interview with the Journal on Sunday said that when clients have asked him to do something related to the Trump administration, he has referred them to registered lobbyists. He also denied any business dealings in Ukraine since he began serving as Mr. Trump�s lawyer in April 2018.

�All they have to do is come and ask me,� he said of investigators. �There�s obviously a concerted effort to spread as many lies about me as possible, to destroy my reputation so that I�m not credible when I continue to reveal all of the massive evidence of criminality by the Bidens.�

Messrs. Giuliani and Trump have pressed Ukraine to investigate former Vice President Joe Biden, now a Democratic presidential candidate, and his son, Hunter Biden. They allege it was corrupt for the younger Biden to serve on the board of Burisma Group, a Ukrainian gas company, while his father as vice president was spearheading an anticorruption effort in the country. The Bidens have denied wrongdoing. The younger Mr. Biden has said he used �poor judgment� when he decided to join the board, but said he did nothing improper.

Messrs. Parnas and Fruman assisted Mr. Giuliani in his push for investigations in Ukraine, efforts that at times aligned with business opportunities sought by the two men, the Journal has previously reported, citing people familiar with the matter.

Those overlapping concerns could be of import to investigators, as they consider how Messrs. Fruman and Parnas gained access to Mr. Trump�s inner circles. At least two of the people who received subpoenas had been asked by Mr. Parnas to invest in Fraud Guarantee�a fraud-insurance company he helped set up in Florida�or to help fund a promised $500,000 payment to Mr. Giuliani, who said he provided business and legal advice to the company, people familiar with Mr. Parnas�s requests said.

A representative for one of those people, a businessman in Florida, said the man had declined to provide any money. The other person, also a Florida businessman, did invest in Fraud Guarantee after Mr. Parnas told him his plan was to secure a $20 million federal grant, according to one of the businessman�s associates. The Journal couldn�t determine what the grant would fund.

Mr. Giuliani said Sunday: �I had no knowledge of a grant, and it seemed to me they were at a premature position to be looking for a grant.�

Mr. Parnas often touted the firm�s connection with Mr. Giuliani to potential investors, the Journal has previously reported citing people familiar with the matter.

The payment to Mr. Giuliani was ultimately funded by Charles Gucciardo, a personal injury lawyer, who paid Mr. Giuliani $500,000 in two installments last fall, according to Mr. Giuliani. In exchange, Mr. Gucciardo received a stake in the company, his attorney said. His attorney said Mr. Gucciardo believed Fraud Guarantee had �tremendous potential� because Mr. Giuliani �was going to be behind, alongside, and the face of the company.�

Some of the subpoenas sought materials relating to Fraud Guarantee and David Correia, who co-founded Fraud Guarantee with Mr. Parnas. Mr. Correia was also charged in the October indictment with one count of participating in a conspiracy to conceal the origins of campaign contributions from overseas donors. A lawyer for Mr. Correia, who pleaded not guilty, didn�t immediately respond to a request for comment.

After starting the company in 2013, the men hired Jack Burkman, a Washington lobbyist, to help them obtain federal money, Mr. Burkman said. Messrs. Parnas and Correia sought to pitch the company as a tool for the Obama administration in its pushes for small-business investment and consumer protection, according to a person with whom Mr. Parnas discussed the grant. Fraud Guarantee billed itself as an insurer for investors against fraud, though it has never had any clients.

Mr. Burkman in an interview said he met Mr. Parnas in 2012 and assisted the company with an application for a federal grant based on �computer innovation in the role of finance.� Mr. Burkman said he filed the application in 2013 or 2014 but declined to discuss the matter in detail, citing attorney-client privilege. He denied lobbying for the company.

Mr. Parnas told one potential investor in 2014 that he was headed to Washington to meet with Michelle Obama, then the first lady. No meeting occurred, according to a former White House official. Fraud Guarantee never received a federal grant.

�Joe Palazzolo and Alex Leary contributed to this article.

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mdemone: Mar 14, 2001

Which judge is ruling on McGahn?

# ? Nov 25, 2019 22:37

sexpig by night: Sep 8, 2011; by Azathoth

Decrepus posted:

Nazis did a propaganda once or twice, it is true.

seriously a huge fan of reading about how noble and dignified the nazis were before the modern invention of dumb propaganda, thanks, D&D

# ? Nov 25, 2019 22:39

Fritz Coldcockin: Nov 7, 2005

mdemone posted:

Which judge is ruling on McGahn?

Apparently none of them :v:

# ? Nov 25, 2019 22:39

bobua: Mar 23, 2003; I'd trade it all for just a little more.

Harton posted:

Yeah you nailed this one, there are no good republicans.

I didn't say there are no good republicans, I said he wasn't one of them.

If you stick with your party no matter what, you don't matter to them, or anyone else. People bitch and moan about voters who stay home, but they matter. It's the tribalists that get no say.

# ? Nov 25, 2019 22:40

sexpig by night: Sep 8, 2011; by Azathoth

but no for real there are no good republicans

# ? Nov 25, 2019 22:43

sexpig by night: Sep 8, 2011; by Azathoth

if you wanna be a good person stop supporting terrible people, it's a v. simple formula

# ? Nov 25, 2019 22:43

Harton: Jun 13, 2001

bobua posted:

I didn't say there are no good republicans, I said he wasn't one of them.

If you stick with your party no matter what, you don't matter to them, or anyone else. People bitch and moan about voters who stay home, but they matter. It's the tribalists that get no say.

This just seems like some frilly talk, come join me on actual planet earth. Tribalists actually have the most say right now looking at how rural votes are worth more in general. Rational people outnumber them by millions and republicans still win. People who vote do matter, much more than those that stay home.

# ? Nov 25, 2019 22:48

The Sean: Apr 17, 2005; Am I handsome now?

bobua posted:

I didn't say there are no good republicans, I said he wasn't one of them.

If you stick with your party no matter what, you don't matter to them, or anyone else. People bitch and moan about voters who stay home, but they matter. It's the tribalists that get no say.

Sticking to my party no matter what is not what I personally do.

But sticking to "all republicans politicians are bad" is something you're going to have to convince me out of.

# ? Nov 25, 2019 22:48

Goatse James Bond: Mar 28, 2010; If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead

Angry_Ed posted:

He'd be turbofucked if so, given the apparent scary effectiveness of the US Postal Inspection Service.

That's why I'm hoping for it!

# ? Nov 25, 2019 22:48

Harton: Jun 13, 2001

The Sean posted:

But sticking to "all republicans politicians are bad" is something you're going to have to convince me out of.

Yeah I wanna know what makes a �Good Republican� these day OP.

# ? Nov 25, 2019 22:50

Goatse James Bond: Mar 28, 2010; If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead

Polyseme posted:

I was expecting an extra tree crimes out of nowhere

Trump has committed quite a lot of tree crimes because sleazy real estate developer :v:

# ? Nov 25, 2019 22:51

Ever Disappointing: May 4, 2004

Harton posted:

This just seems like some frilly talk, come join me on actual planet earth. Tribalists actually have the most say right now looking at how rural votes are worth more in general. Rational people outnumber them by millions and republicans still win. People who vote do matter, much more than those that stay home.

Yeah but who gives a gently caress about their thoughts here? They've already admitted they are so craven that they support a party that they (pinky promise) dont support the main policy thrust of. These party sycophants will never change their mind but they sure love the attention we heap on them.

# ? Nov 25, 2019 22:52

Harton: Jun 13, 2001

Tir McDohl posted:

Yeah but who gives a gently caress about their thoughts here? They've already admitted they are so craven that they support a party that they (pinky promise) dont support the main policy thrust of. These party sycophants will never change their mind but they sure love the attention we heap on them.

Nobody? What the gently caress are you asking me for?

# ? Nov 25, 2019 22:55

Ever Disappointing: May 4, 2004

Harton posted:

Nobody? What the gently caress are you asking me for?

I realize now (didnt before I posted) you weren't trying to indicate they deserve a platform for it and were just stating facts. Your post was a jumping off point for my rant, sorry.

Edit: I'm in a discord where we have a token "conservative" and there is a current t events channel where there are specific decorum rules that as far as I can tell are only there to protect him and his presence stagnates a lot of discussion there. So I have a chip on my shoulder when I see these types post.

Ever Disappointing fucked around with this message at 23:00 on Nov 25, 2019

# ? Nov 25, 2019 22:58

TheDisreputableDog: Oct 13, 2005

bobua posted:

If you stick with your party no matter what, you don't matter to them, or anyone else. People bitch and moan about voters who stay home, but they matter. It's the tribalists that get no say.

It's not really that cut-and-dry. By leaving the party you effectively lose the ability to support more moderate candidates in primaries, which effectively nudges the party in the extremist direction. And because we have a system that so heavily favors a two-party solution, I feel like you're increasing the odds that an extremist on the other side will gain power in response. Ultimately, I did decide to leave the Republican party, but not for the reasons you laid out, and it was an internal struggle.

# ? Nov 25, 2019 22:59

theflyingorc: Jun 28, 2008; ANY GOOD OPINIONS THIS POSTER CLAIMS TO HAVE ARE JUST PROOF THAT BULLYING WORKS; Young Orc

Harton posted:

Yeah I wanna know what makes a �Good Republican� these day OP.

There are almost certainly "good Republicans" on the LOCAL level, but I think that ship has sailed on the state or federal level.

Some of the state ones are significantly less bad than others.

# ? Nov 25, 2019 23:01

Kale: May 14, 2010

Farmer Crack-rear end posted:

even hitler liked dogs

consider that phrase in contrast to trump

even hitler liked dogs

He also had his suicide capsule tested on his dog first to confirm that they were potent enough because he didn't trust even Himmler and the SS anymore enough to not under-dose him or whatever. They were and he had a loving meltdown over the dogs death anyway apparently.

To my knowledge Trump is the first president since William H. McKinley not to have a dog and even McKinley had various other animals as pets in the White House, he just didn't prefer dogs. Truman also never had any pets with him in the White House but did have a dog at one point. As far as I can tell Trump is the only U.S President on record to not have any sort of animal of any kind as a pet at any documented time, which sort of doesn't surprise me cause it's too human and relatable a trait in our society for him no doubt. Pets are for children and companionship most likely to him and would make him look weak to his base or something is my guess.

e: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_pets

Combobreaker? Also was apparently mistaken about Truman, he had two dogs apparently as President

e2: Also didn't notice in there James K. Polk never had any pets either.

Kale fucked around with this message at 23:12 on Nov 25, 2019

# ? Nov 25, 2019 23:03

Harton: Jun 13, 2001

Tir McDohl posted:

I realize now (didnt before I posted) you weren't trying to indicate they deserve a platform for it and were just stating facts. Your post was a jumping off point for my rant, sorry.

Edit: I'm in a discord where we have a token "conservative" and there is a current t events channel where there are specific decorum rules that as far as I can tell are only there to protect him and his presence stagnates a lot of discussion there. So I have a chip on my shoulder when I see these types post.

All good, I absolutely hate anyone who identifies as conservative. They have poisoned the well on treating them with dignity and respect. There is no more time for that poo poo.

# ? Nov 25, 2019 23:03

Harton: Jun 13, 2001

theflyingorc posted:

There are almost certainly "good Republicans" on the LOCAL level, but I think that ship has sailed on the state or federal level.

Some of the state ones are significantly less bad than others.

Again, I need an example here. This is a lot of �actually nonexistent people that I just made the gently caress up�

# ? Nov 25, 2019 23:04

Mr Ice Cream Glove: Apr 22, 2007

This is not good

https://mobile.twitter.com/yashar/status/1199063305157062657

# ? Nov 25, 2019 23:04

Slowpoke!: Feb 12, 2008; ANIME IS FOR ADULTS

Kale posted:

He also had his suicide capsule tested on his dog first to confirm that they were potent enough because he didn't trust even Himmler and the SS anymore enough to not under-dose him or whatever. They were and he had a loving meltdown over the dogs death anyway apparently.

To my knowledge Trump is the first president since William H. McKinley not to have a dog and even McKinley had various other animals as pets in the White House, he just didn't prefer dogs. Truman also never had any pets with him in the White House but did have a dog at one point. As far as I can tell Trump is the only U.S President on record to not have any sort of animal of any kind as a pet at any documented time, which sort of doesn't surprise me cause it's too human and relatable a trait in our society for him no doubt. Pets are for children and companionship most likely to him and would make him look weak to his base or something is my guess.

Trump is just being a responsible dude by not getting a dog that will outlive him by a good 5-10 years.

# ? Nov 25, 2019 23:05

Sinister_Beekeeper: Oct 20, 2012

Spaced God posted:

https://twitter.com/scrowder/status/1198992518366613504
I know we shouldn't post lovely nazis here but counterpoint: fuckin look at this

So he's trying to claim Charles Krauthammer's audience.

# ? Nov 25, 2019 23:06

Jealous Cow: Apr 4, 2002; by Fluffdaddy

Rabble posted:

Trump wanted to put a muzzle on the dog lol

He was afraid she�d move on him like a bitch.

# ? Nov 25, 2019 23:06

ReidRansom: Oct 25, 2004

Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:

This is not good

https://mobile.twitter.com/yashar/status/1199063305157062657

It's great!

# ? Nov 25, 2019 23:10

Harton: Jun 13, 2001

poo poo drat dang ol bunch of saps in this thread man. Like god damnit we ain�t even forgiving Trump voters let alone any republican politician. What the gently caress.

# ? Nov 25, 2019 23:11

pacerhimself: Dec 30, 2008; by Fluffdaddy

Sinister_Beekeeper posted:

So he's trying to claim Charles Krauthammer's audience.

# ? Nov 25, 2019 23:13

tek79: Jun 16, 2008

What would the definition of "good Republican" even be? Just someone within the party who would only want to slaughter immigrants in a more humane way than those who want to light them on fire? I mean, it's a political party with the logical conclusion to everything they espouse being genocide and feeding the poor to the rich.

# ? Nov 25, 2019 23:13

Tayter Swift: Nov 18, 2002; Pillbug

Death knell

https://twitter.com/attention_cnn/status/1199087267832307712?s=21

# ? Nov 25, 2019 23:15

oxsnard: Oct 8, 2003

tek79 posted:

What would the definition of "good Republican" even be? Just someone within the party who would only want to slaughter immigrants in a more humane way than those who want to light them on fire? I mean, it's a political party with the logical conclusion to everything they espouse being genocide and feeding the poor to the rich.

at this point every state level and above republican is a ghoul. In some places you can't be the dog catcher or coroner without an R. Also there are plenty of individual registered republican voters who are good people, just horribly misguided

# ? Nov 25, 2019 23:16

Harton: Jun 13, 2001

tek79 posted:

What would the definition of "good Republican" even be? Just someone within the party who would only want to slaughter immigrants in a more humane way than those who want to light them on fire? I mean, it's a political party with the logical conclusion to everything they espouse being genocide and feeding the poor to the rich.

Yeah I want names and specific reasons here.

And don�t say your mom or dad because that�s not true we all hate your parents.

# ? Nov 25, 2019 23:17

Harton: Jun 13, 2001

oxsnard posted:

at this point every state level and above republican is a ghoul. In some places you can't be the dog catcher or coroner without an R. Also there are plenty of individual registered republican voters who are good people, just horribly misguided

Collaborators Get No Favors

# ? Nov 25, 2019 23:18

predicto: Jul 22, 2004; THE DEM DEFENDER HAS LOGGED ON

Nonsense posted:

https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1198763539906859008?s=20

The only response to any of his tweets should be: "Plagiarist says what?"

# ? Nov 25, 2019 23:19

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# ? Jun 5, 2024 21:16

Peacoffee: Feb 11, 2013

Clearly every political ideology deserves a modicum of respect and there�s a nugget of truth in both parties lol what the gently caress are people saying. The right wing is just the monarchy, that is what they are trying to conserve. They voted against the french revolution thats entirely why they are called the right. Seriously does no one actually ever wonder why they are called left and right? I get that time has passed and contexts change but loving look at what they support and have supported.

# ? Nov 25, 2019 23:20

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