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If you want a target sport I'd much rather you just used pistol crossbows or something.
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The last thing we loving need is an open excuse for the police to start carrying guns all the time
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Nov 26, 2019 01:40
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ItohRespectArmy posted:I don't think in the current climate of school shootings happening every week in the US any politician is gona become the gun de-regulation candidate in a country with strict gun laws. No, absolutely not. (Well, I think the UKIP manifesto a few years back had the repeal of the firearms act 1997 amendment, but that’s about it) I’m more bemoaning something that is lost both practically and culturally- a generation has now reached adulthood without ever even getting to /try/ a very rewarding sport, so people who shoot is very much an aging (and mostly wealthy these days) demographic.
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Nov 26, 2019 01:41
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Camrath posted:Happy to expound if people want me to, but again I recognise it’s very much a fringe pursuit in this country in general, and left wing online spaces in particular. Same. If people momentarily put aside the fact that it is about guns the weird laws are completely baffling. The difference in the tone and requirements for shotguns vs literally anything else is pretty  Can't imagine why. Who in the UK absolutely cannot be inconvenienced? Who has a large number of shotguns?  EDIT: I think I can safely say that neither Camrath or I are advocating for US style gun laws or proliferation.
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Nov 26, 2019 01:42
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Pochoclo posted:Ridiculous levels of gun proliferation haven't exactly helped USA, you know America has a cultural issue with violence. Quite a few countries have similar levels of gun ownership without the attached violence- normally due to a strong social safety net and less of a history of extreme racial strife. Also less of a national fetishisation of guns. I mean, I love shooting- whether I’m hunting for game, punching paper or just making tin cans dance fifty yards away, but having spent time with a fair few American enthuasiasts they really are a whole different level. One that even a hobbyist like me finds freaky and a bit scary.
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Nov 26, 2019 01:44
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I mean shotguns are decidedly more versatile (and also again, hard to conceal) compared to pistols. Plus you're also not allowed ones that hold more than three rounds iirc, again to minimise their utility for mass murder. The way the laws are constructed may be inconsistent but their broad effect is to keep the availability of firearms low, and limited to things that are at least slightly harder to use on people because if you're wandering around with a full size shotgun most places then you're probably going to attract the police. And I like not having to wander around expecting to be shot by either some bearded nutter or a cop.
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Nov 26, 2019 01:47
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Can we even discuss extra-parliamentary actions on here?
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Nov 26, 2019 01:48
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OwlFancier posted:I mean shotguns are decidedly more versatile (and also again, hard to conceal) compared to pistols. Plus you're also not allowed ones that hold more than three rounds iirc, again to minimise their utility for mass murder. If you're going to use a shotgun like that the only barrier to sawing the end off and making it concealable is that you'd be breaking the law and at that point I doubt you care.
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Nov 26, 2019 01:48
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OwlFancier posted:I think the idea is that the pistol is by far the more practical weapon. Plus the basic fact is that Thomas Hamilton didn't shoot up Dunblane Primary with a high powered rifle, he had 2 Browning 9mm & 2 Model 19s. An utterly contemptible shite walked into a Primary School gym hall, murdered 16 kids & their teacher & in a year handguns had been banned. Probably it wasn't done perfectly but seeing as we've had the Cumbria shootings & that's about it so 
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Nov 26, 2019 01:48
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Camrath posted:The trouble with violent uprising in this country though is that our populace is almost entirely disarmed (or at least, the working classes are- practically every one of my parents’ posh friends has a few shotguns stashed away). Given that in this country gun control has almost entirely been right wing rather than left wing policy i can’t help but think this was a consideration in it. But if you get a sizable mass of people pissed off enough then the masses will arm themselves regardless of the State's consent, so it's at most a hurdle. TTerrible posted:Gun laws in the UK are completely nonsensical. They're patchwork of kneejerk additiions that are entirely headline driven. There is also a class divide basically written into the licensing requirements. I have a lot of words on this.  But yeah the laws themselves are a patchwork of headline chasing and prole fearing nonsense. The most one was passing a law that effectively put Brocock and only Brocock out of business in reaction to a drive-by in Birmingham where two bystanders were killed with an illegally imported Czech machine pistol, but there's the current one against lever return/MARS rifles because they're "a loophole for semi-autos" despite being no faster to cycle than a Victorian lever gun.Camrath posted:(Well, I think the UKIP manifesto a few years back had the repeal of the firearms act 1997 amendment, but that’s about it) Given every single other UKIP policy (except some of their drugs ones) I'm not sure why that was the one the press decided to go for the throat on 
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Nov 26, 2019 01:49
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TTerrible posted:Same. If people momentarily put aside the fact that it is about guns the weird laws are completely baffling. The difference in the tone and requirements for shotguns vs literally anything else is pretty Yeah- as I said, if I was suddenly dictator for life or whatever I’d install something like the French system. In a nutshell it means you can buy air rifles and small bore rifles (.22lr mostly) essentially at will. Get a hunting licence (which requires a written exam and practical training session on the law and safety) and you can buy shotguns with a max capacity of 2+1. You can also buy hunting rifles (so mostly bolt action and with a low mag capacity) on that, but you have to inform the local town hall and police of your possession. And then if you want to get pistols or semi-auto rifles there’s a club membership, background check and health check requirement to get a permit.
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Nov 26, 2019 01:51
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Guavanaut posted:You can own a .22lr target pistol provided that it has a bunch of stuff permanently attached to it which would, paradoxically, make it illegal in most US states without special approval. I enjoy telling people in the US that the FLO can make purchasing a moderator for a weapon a condition of variation. 
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Nov 26, 2019 01:52
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WhatEvil posted:Yeah someone posted something ITT confirming that he'd been told to hide, about 20-30 pages ago. Here you go. Incidentally, he's only showing up to two hustings sessions in North-East Somerset, and has been curiously limited in the territory he's canvassing in for NES - hasn't strayed much outside Midsomer Norton.
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Nov 26, 2019 01:53
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Guavanaut posted:The 1919 Act that most of the rest built themselves up on was explicitly due to fear of a workers' uprising, and most of the rest were Thatcher, Major, and Blair, so that follows. Callaghan's last Bill he tried to pass was scrapping the certificate fee to make ownership more affordable for the rural poor, but it failed. Yeah, poor Brocock really got hosed. I had one of their air cartridge rifles (a Predator iirc; the mag fed one) and it really was a great little bit of engineering.
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Nov 26, 2019 01:54
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Gunchat aside I look forward to Rees Mogg appearing from his burrow after the election is over like some kind of groundhog, seeing his shadow and retreating back inside due to five years of Labour rule.
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Nov 26, 2019 01:54
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Camrath posted:No, absolutely not. (Well, I think the UKIP manifesto a few years back had the repeal of the firearms act 1997 amendment, but that’s about it) Fortunately there are very many other rewarding sports young'uns can try instead. Basketball perhaps. Swimming. Take up a martial art. gently caress, if you need to kill poo poo then go angling. Just very much eh. On the list of problems in this country that need to be solved, fiddling with the Firearms Act seems about as important as...actually I can't think of anything I care less about, not even an absurd hypothetical.
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Nov 26, 2019 01:56
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Camrath posted:America has a cultural issue with violence. Quite a few countries have similar levels of gun ownership without the attached violence- normally due to a strong social safety net and less of a history of extreme racial strife. Also less of a national fetishisation of guns. I mean, I love shooting- whether I’m hunting for game, punching paper or just making tin cans dance fifty yards away, but having spent time with a fair few American enthuasiasts they really are a whole different level. One that even a hobbyist like me finds freaky and a bit scary. Eh. It's more of a population density thing. Low population density means suicides go up, high population density means murders go up. Countries like Finland have a lot of people offing themselves with guns.
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Nov 26, 2019 01:57
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forkboy84 posted:Fortunately there are very many other rewarding sports young'uns can try instead. Basketball perhaps. Swimming. Take up a martial art. gently caress, if you need to kill poo poo then go angling. I think it's below "referendum on traffic sign font" levels of importance, it's just this weird corner of law that no one wants to touch because it is so toxic politically.
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Nov 26, 2019 01:57
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Camrath posted:requires a written exam and practical training session on the law and safety... club membership, background check and health check requirement to get a permit. Because "landed aristocracy, nouveau riche, and people Priti Patel believes are trustworthy" is not my idea of a good list for anything except maybe "people that should be deported to the Falklands."
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Nov 26, 2019 01:58
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Darth Walrus posted:Eh. It's more of a population density thing. Low population density means suicides go up, high population density means murders go up. Countries like Finland have a lot of people offing themselves with guns. Most of the US is extremely low population density, and the type of horrific incident that’s become an American hallmark over the past decade or so is mostly a suburban thing rather than an urban one (not that people there haven’t been shooting each other a fuckload in the inner cities; it just doesn’t tend to make international news) Anyway, sorry for making GBS threads up the thread on a tangent.
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Nov 26, 2019 01:59
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Camrath posted:Most of the US is extremely low population density, and the type of horrific incident that’s become an American hallmark over the past decade or so is mostly a suburban thing rather than an urban one (not that people there haven’t been shooting each other a fuckload in the inner cities; it just doesn’t tend to make international news) Yeah, but those low-density rural areas (like, say, Vermont) also have low interpersonal gun violence. They just make up for it with a crazy-huge suicide rate.
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Nov 26, 2019 02:01
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The worst effect of the Chief Rabbi article is to take up another day of the campaign which Labour could have filled with a positive message. Now they can't announce anything, and anyone they send on the airwaves has to spend the whole interview repeating stock lines about antisemitism. It also makes sure it will come up in the debates to eat up time there too. After tomorrow there are 14 more days before polls open. A lot depends on how many of those days they can pull a stunt like this.
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Nov 26, 2019 02:05
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Darth Walrus posted:Eh. It's more of a population density thing. Low population density means suicides go up, high population density means murders go up. Countries like Finland have a lot of people offing themselves with guns. It's cool when people "correct" others with something that is wrong. Cool.
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Nov 26, 2019 02:08
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goddamnedtwisto posted:poo poo, I should have got in on that, because I have Opinions about broadband and Openreach. What's the link for the discord or whatever again? UKMT Goons
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Nov 26, 2019 02:10
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jabby posted:The worst effect of the Chief Rabbi article is to take up another day of the campaign which Labour could have filled with a positive message. Now they can't announce anything, and anyone they send on the airwaves has to spend the whole interview repeating stock lines about antisemitism. It also makes sure it will come up in the debates to eat up time there too.
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Nov 26, 2019 02:10
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Junior G-man posted:LOL, the pod's going pro: I demand to be on this episode so that I can earn my restraining order for the widest possible audience.
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Nov 26, 2019 02:13
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Quick reminder that there's still plenty of working class yoof learning to shoot. There's these special gangs called 'cadets' where they take you to a rifle range so you can let rip with military hardware*. *LA-81 cadet target rifles (cut down version of the SA-80) and the the occasional .22 bolt action. Or at least they were when I last did it 15 or so years ago. Air cadets was fun from a shooting / flying light aircraft / getting rides in a Chinook basis but it also instilled me with the bitter hatred of authority I nurture to this day so who can say if it was good or bad. E: Actually my polling station is a sea cadet hall. In pretty much the most landlocked area of Britain. They have an actual ships wheel up on a dais it's hilarious. EE: Holy poo poo I just reminded myself that I technically have an NVQ Level 3 in aeronautical engineering. That kind of got buried by the whole university computer toucher thing. RockyB fucked around with this message at 02:24 on Nov 26, 2019 |
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Nov 26, 2019 02:19
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Darth Walrus posted:Here you go. Incidentally, he's only showing up to two hustings sessions in North-East Somerset, and has been curiously limited in the territory he's canvassing in for NES - hasn't strayed much outside Midsomer Norton. Ah, thanks bud. Chuka Umana posted:Can we even discuss extra-parliamentary actions on here? We're not saying "we should do this", we're saying "I wouldn't be surprised if this happens". Not much of a distinction I grant you, but still. I mean if the mods say to knock it off then I guess yeah. Just saying though, people are pissed. We saw unrest in 2011 and we've seen massive (mainly peaceful protest) recently. It's not a big leap to think that things might kick off. Also from the fash, but for different reasons.
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Nov 26, 2019 02:25
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https://twitter.com/LaboursBlackPLP/status/1199102986510880768 Excellent. I'm hoping Labour have some sort of strategy for the anti-Semitism stuff coming up again, it's hardly a surprise but repeating lines that's a poison on society etc isn't going to cut it.
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Nov 26, 2019 02:28
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Bundy posted:https://twitter.com/LaboursBlackPLP/status/1199102986510880768 tbh at this stage it hardly matters, everyone's already made up their mind on the issue. While it's annoying that it keeps being brought up they did, thankfully, blow their load far too early on this one.
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Nov 26, 2019 02:40
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Darth Walrus posted:Eh. It's more of a population density thing. Low population density means suicides go up, high population density means murders go up. Countries like Finland have a lot of people offing themselves with guns. Guns themselves also offer a huge amount of ease. In the UK suicide rates shot down considerably when they made ovens safer as before all it took was popping your head in one for five minutes
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Nov 26, 2019 02:48
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Rarity posted:Welp, tonight's podcast recording on the Labour manifesto may need to be split up. If the tories are shitposting with that B o r i s w a v e vid, I'd like to see Purge do an 8 hour deep dive into the Labour Manifesto patch notes.
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Nov 26, 2019 03:06
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So Jo Swinson said at Question Time that the Lib Dems won't be cancelling student debt. Their big youth outreach policy is loans for rent. They want to run a permanent surplus, indebting the people they supposedly work for to them as they tax more and spend less if we want to keep the country running. Does someone with a social media presence want to take 'payday loan party' out for a spin? I feel like it could go places.
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Nov 26, 2019 03:25
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https://twitter.com/ronanburtenshaw/status/1199077997065777155
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TTerrible posted:Gun laws in the UK are completely nonsensical. They're patchwork of kneejerk additiions that are entirely headline driven. There is also a class divide basically written into the licensing requirements. I have a lot of words on this. What about a fifty cal with an Idiot King?
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Nov 26, 2019 03:57
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Chuka Umana posted:Can we even discuss extra-parliamentary actions on here? I imagine that permas will start coming out if MI5 calls up lowtax so maybe avoid it
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ThomasPaine posted:tbh at this stage it hardly matters, everyone's already made up their mind on the issue. While it's annoying that it keeps being brought up they did, thankfully, blow their load far too early on this one. If they had kept their powder dry and got the Chief Rabbi to drop this today completely out of the blue as they went on the attack it could have been devastating to Corbyn, but as you say, minds seem to be mostly made up. Hell, it's only made the Times and the Heil for tomorrow's front pages. It's been droning along for ages and ages and they've shat themselves hard with so much pure nonsense on so many topics including this one ("I heard Jezza's mate was on a bus and he sang "Hey Jude" but changed the lyrics to "Hey Jews"!") that a lot of people will think it's much ado. Of course, depending on how things shake out on the 12th we could be talking about some very narrow margins making the difference, and if the Chief Rabbi's comments encourage even a small number of people to change their plans to vote Labour, it could be consequential. But I feel this is just more piss in the wind. e; I also suspect that the sheer strength of what is being said is making people hesitant to believe it. If you say something like "I fear the Labour Party is not welcoming to current and potential Jewish members" and "If Britain gains a reputation for unfriendliness to Jews, it could have serious repercussions" those are statements that seem reasonable and plausible. But when they're saying things like this is a deep rooted "poison", that Jeremy Corbyn is an "existential threat", and so on - it just doesn't ring true. You might make headway if you argued he was an innocent bumbling grandad who was letting AS flourish out of incompetence, but the constant efforts to paint him as a committed and zealous anti-semite is so thoroughly at odds with both his personal history and his general manner that it's hard to imagine it lands with people who weren't already thoroughly opposed to him. Ms Adequate fucked around with this message at 04:50 on Nov 26, 2019 |
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Nov 26, 2019 04:39
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Definitely looking forward to the US intervention force to stop holocaust 2 from happening in the event we win.
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Darth Walrus posted:Here you go. Incidentally, he's only showing up to two hustings sessions in North-East Somerset, and has been curiously limited in the territory he's canvassing in for NES - hasn't strayed much outside Midsomer Norton. quote:Rees-Mogg, an old Etonian hedge fund manager, may not be in keeping with the image that Johnson’s campaign wishes to present. See, I can't be racist, look at all my ethnic friends! And no letterboxes here! 
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