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I think it’s time to kick it to the house judiciary committee and then to the Senate. It is incredibly clear to everyone who isn’t in the cult that Trump and his idiot henchmen are guilty of extortion approaching treason. While the senate is holding their trial the house can just keep investigating all the other interrelated crimes that Trump is doing while tying him to crimes that the Republican Senators joined in on. So when the Republican senate votes along party lines to proclaim that they are above the law is just super clear that they’re wrong and maybe even centrists will wake up.
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Stereotype posted:While the senate is holding their trial the house can just keep investigating all the other interrelated crimes that Trump is doing while tying him to crimes that the Republican Senators joined in on. So when the Republican senate votes along party lines to proclaim that they are above the law is just super clear that they’re wrong and maybe even centrists will wake up. no president has ever been impeached twice before and i think this might be an excellent opportunity
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terrorist ambulance posted:Yes you're the second to make the facile comparison about knowing where the watergate hotel is like a powerful brain genius. That isn't what this is. Trump asked a foreign government to dig up dirt on a political opponent of his and he withheld $400 million in military aid to ensure they'd do it. That's called extortion, and guess what: it's very easy to understand, unfortunately for you.
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We don't even need centrists to show up. Just get more black voters to care again and get more millennials to finally give a poo poo at all
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Trump goes golfing every weekend and leaves with pockets literally stuffed with the secret services money, and then during the week has Gulf State failsons renting out entire floors of his chintzy poo poo hotels in transparent efforts to lobby his administration. But no, let's put it all on the public's ability to read between the lines and draw the inferences that the Democrats want them to Anyways whatever, no point arguing about it, if you think it's that obvious to people I hope you're right and he goes down for it. I doubt it though honestly
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Fritz Coldcockin posted:That isn't what this is. Trump asked a foreign government to dig up dirt on a political opponent of his and he withheld $400 million in military aid to ensure they'd do it. That's called extortion, and guess what: it's very easy to understand, unfortunately for you. Jesus christ you people are hyper sensitive. Unfortunately for me what? What are you even talking about
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terrorist ambulance posted:Jesus christ you people are hyper sensitive. 
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terrorist ambulance posted:Trump goes golfing every weekend and leaves with pockets literally stuffed with the secret services money, and then during the week has Gulf State failsons renting out entire floors of his chintzy poo poo hotels in transparent efforts to lobby his administration. But no, let's put it all on the public's ability to read between the lines and draw the inferences that the Democrats want them to Oh he's going down for it, just perhaps not as fast as we would like. He's a dead man walking in 2020. We're just blessed with dumb as poo poo republicans who are sacrificing their reputations for a slim shot at maintaining some power for another two years
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terrorist ambulance posted:What waters are muddy. He's a thoroughly corrupt criminal that was impeachable the day he took office for failure to divest from the Trump org. Everything since that is gravy. It's not about foreign policy. This is not a difficult thing to understand.
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I want to be this cat tax: https://twitter.com/disharryland/st...r%3D715%23pti17
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:please see the people saying "no really a dem congresswoman using a staffer as a sex toy to spice up her marriage was cool up until the husband posted revenge porn of them" for further examples of the phenomenon Hiring your girlfriend to work on your campaign is not a scandal
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Idly, I wonder if it would be easier to convince conservatives that what Trump did was bad by referring to the military aid to Ukraine as their totem phrase "taxpayer money".
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terrorist ambulance posted:Trump goes golfing every weekend and leaves with pockets literally stuffed with the secret services money, and then during the week has Gulf State failsons renting out entire floors of his chintzy poo poo hotels in transparent efforts to lobby his administration. But no, let's put it all on the public's ability to read between the lines and draw the inferences that the Democrats want them to The only reason it isn’t obvious that Trump corruptly stoke a half a billion dollars to try and extort Ukraine into smearing Joe loving Biden of all people is that half the nation is trapped in a propaganda bubble. Fox News literally had the chyron “Sondland Says No Quid Pro Quo” immediately after they showed him saying the exact opposite. He did it, is a traitor, and needs to be removed from office and probably jailed. All normal non-cult members realize and have been convinced by the evidence of that face. They aren’t going to be convinced that Trump is corrupt because his businesses are maybe overcharging the government for golf carts or whatever. “That’s just him being a shrewd businessman” they will gleefully exclaim.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1199153846775418880 Could he have gotten a less diverse group of people?
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I would really like if one of the dem candidates would not so subtly announce that regardless of who wins 2020 the statute of limitations on all this illegal poo poo wont expire while trump is in office.
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Jesus loving christ Friendship ended with Pence,
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SchrodingersCat posted:Yep. Honestly, if we didn't live in Hellworld the House would've already kicked it over to the Senate and Trump would be packing his bags. The evidence is really clear beyond any reasonable doubt. Maybe, maybe not https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/some-americans-look-persuadable-on-impeachment-but-theyre-not-paying-attention/ quote:...while most Americans say they’re “absolutely” or “pretty” certain about their stance on whether Trump has committed an impeachable offense, about a quarter were “somewhat” or “not at all” certain — which could mean they’re more persuadable.
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terrorist ambulance posted:Trump goes golfing every weekend and leaves with pockets literally stuffed with the secret services money, and then during the week has Gulf State failsons renting out entire floors of his chintzy poo poo hotels in transparent efforts to lobby his administration. But no, let's put it all on the public's ability to read between the lines and draw the inferences that the Democrats want them to If anyone is trying to reproduce the Norman Rockwell Thanksgiving painting this week with any family or friends who agree that the above is a good thing, then nope. Time to sever, and and it's time to let them know why.
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1199153846775418880 what, the 2$ bill wasn't available for a remake? Jfc what a useless gesture, good job getting the vote ladies, here's a coin nobody uses
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Papercut posted:Hiring your girlfriend to work on your campaign is not a scandal Yes it is. Even if you weren't being completely disingenuous, even the act you are describing is fully inappropriate
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oxsnard posted:https://twitter.com/WhiteHouse/status/1199119587373129732?s=20 People in high heels stomping small animals to death. It's been difficult to ban from a free speech standpoint since the internet has had enough bandwidth to deliver videos.
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oxsnard posted:https://twitter.com/WhiteHouse/status/1199119587373129732?s=20 Are you really complaining about animal cruelty now being a felony?
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gently caress SNEEP posted:Are you really complaining about animal cruelty now being a felony? I had just never heard of it and didn't realize that crushing was a well known term for a specific type of animal torture. I wish I didn't Google it
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terrorist ambulance posted:No one gives a poo poo about Ukraine. 7 out of 10 americans couldn't identify Ukraine on a map with a gun to their head and 3 tries I think most Americans care about our president helping out Russia. You know, our major enemy. And who do you think benefited from withholding weapons from Ukraine?
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oxsnard posted:https://twitter.com/WhiteHouse/status/1199119587373129732?s=20 i will say, this is one of the few things i applaud on, though he could give less of a gently caress about it. animal crushing is sick fucks crushing live animals(usually kittens and puppies) to get off.
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1199153846775418880 Yes, Elaine Chao is third on his left (our right)
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The only time I go look at the_donald is when Trump does someone unquestionably inoffensive or good, and it never disappoints 
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Dapper_Swindler posted:https://twitter.com/AynRandPaulRyan/status/1198952343233908736 So as someone who enjoys to write and talks about narrative a lot, I'm going to talk about the chosen one narrative. I'll do my best in terms of what this means in terms of the modern parlance, the biblical parlance and reality. Note, this is going to be long, partially to drop you into a kind of liminal state so you might be able to briefly understand "Christian" magical thinking. I could tell you, but you'd only be able to understand in an intellectual way which is not enough to understand just how nuts the death cultist mode of thinking is. It'll be a toe in the water, a brief dip and if you don't want that, that's okay, feel free to skip this. Just a fair warning. It's going to get weird and irrational because the people who are talking are weird and irrational. I'm not an advocate for this. I just can't explain it in any other way than the weird. First, from Joseph Campbell. He wrote the book, "Hero With a Thousand Faces". This is a book of comparative mythology written in 1949. It's been a kind of playbook for many of our modern storytellers since its release despite its exclusion of many different storytelling traditions. I can't overstate how many people still take this book seriously and how impactful it has been to the way we tell stories. It's actually boxed a lot of people into thinking in very traditional types of storytelling and when we deviate away from those ways of telling stories it's actually pretty jarring. We're used to stories being told in a very specific way. It's filled with archetypes, meaning general types of people that are complicated with detail, but either stay true to those core descriptions or subvert those core descriptions, which actually reinforces the archetype itself by displaying how someone does something "incorrectly" or "novel". Thinks about the Disney movie Frozen when true love's kiss isn't from some prince, but it's sisterly love. The trope is subverted, but love is still the solution. Those archetypal Disney Princesses go through specific kinds of trials and tribulations often in a specific order when you bring up the "Hero's Journey". There's a pretty neato graphic in the wikipedia article which will walk you through this. However, while the chosen one narrative can be made to conform (in the right wing cinematic universe) to Trump's story, it's not what these people are talking about. The book is still very useful for understanding our own modern storytelling traditions. Star Wars for example was written with the Hero's Journey very much in mind. Now not every story needs every story beat from the Hero's Journey. It's actually missing two steps, namely "The Meeting with the Goddess" and "Woman as Temptress" for example. And the names of the story beats can differ, but the meaning stays the same. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hero%27s_journey I'll be talking about the original Star Wars movie because it's a story that we're all basically familiar with as we're mostly older nerds. I'll keep it simple because what I want to share is what Trump's story is not. The narrative of the Biblical "chosen one" is distinct, but partially related to the modern tradition because the author pulled from a bunch of different storytelling traditions and cobbled together how we tell stories. So Star Wars comes in three acts, beginning, middle and end or departure, initiation and return. Again, I'll keep this as brief as I can to give context. But I'll be talking about magical thinking later and this is a kind of magical thinking that we all understand as it is part of our storytelling traditions. quote:Act one: Departure. If you understand the Hero's Journey, you understand the modern chosen one narrative and Star Wars is a textbook example of the Hero's Journey. It's understood as a simple story, it's comforting and doesn't buck our expectations about how a story should be told. It's an exercise in magical thinking because it deviates from reality. Jedis are space wizard monks with laser swords. They use "The Force" which is a kind of godlike entity that is everywhere and guides all actions, but only they can use it directly. There are computer people who beep and boop and can be understood, giant walking Sasquatches with laser crossbows and a planet destroying device called the Star Destroyer that can be blown up in a single shot by the right person in the right time with said force instead of say, ramming an asteroid through it at however fast hyperdrive is. It's not science fiction. It's science fantasy and for science fantasy you need a degree of magical thinking to understand it. Another, easier way to engage with magical thinking would be Super Mario Brothers. Run to the right, can't move too far left. There are pits everywhere which will kill you. Stomp on walking mushroom enemies called goombas. Stomp on turtles in turtle shells. Eat a mushroom, grow bigger or just come back from the dead. Get a flower and you can fling fire. Some pipes take you to secret parts of the level. So yeah, that's magical thinking right there. It doesn't make sense outside of itself and requires the suspension of disbelief. No flower I pick will make me fling fire. No mushroom will make me bigger or bring me back from the dead. As an aside, at least in terms of the hero narrative like Star Wars, I view these narratives as inherently authoritarian and disempowering, which is partly why I want to talk about this at all. Not all of us are Luke Skywalkers or Katniss Everdeens. In fact, we probably never will be those people. Fighting authority won't be an adventure. It'll be a slog, you'll probably fail and get arrested or assassinated if you're any good at loving with authority. So it'll be miserable along the lines of Katniss' story, but without the success. The problem with heroes is that we assume that someone else will come along to save us. That they'll somehow be special, exceptional, even chosen by whatever force moves the narrative. That force can be good or bad or neutral or mixed, godlike or from man or nature. The Force literally chooses Luke Skywalker. The corrupt government chooses Katniss' sister, prim, but Katniss volunteers instead in a heroic act of self-sacrifice. This is a subversion of the trope and despite her struggles and the horror she goes through, she plays the part of the hero through mass media, but her acts of defiance are usually much smaller and personal. Still heroic, but only in the moment. People continually thrust the mantle of hero onto her because they need someone to rally around as a symbol while Luke Skywalker is more of a traditional hero. To save yourself from authoritarianism you don't need some plucky, ragtag band of one teenage chosen one, an old wizard, a princesses, a scoundrel, a few robots and Jim Henson's muppets. That's ridiculous. Defeating the big bad of an empire doesn't cause it to collapse. Villains are often load bearing in lovely fiction, but in reality, someone usually just steps into the power vacuum and the needs of empire dictate that largely the same evil poo poo gets done, though priorities do shift. What actually has some traction these days would be mass movements and solidarity with your fellow freedom seeking people. Hong Kong's "be water" mantra for example which is to be shapeless, formless, leaderless and nimble. The same goes for Catalan's Waterfall movement. Now these movements usually do have leaders, but they rarely expose themselves because they can get murdered and they tend to operate in a cell structure which filters down to people on the ground and people on the ground assume that all of this is leaderless and spontaneous, never really knowing that there actually are some marching orders coming from somewhere. But the orders are usually just presented as spontaneous good ideas, though spontaneous good ideas do continually pop up and a mass movement anyway. Current revolts can have many loosely connected or disconnected leadership cells, or even none, though I doubt those would do as well. Anyway, enough of that. Back to biblical storytelling. Now if you've ever spoke to Trump supporters, especially the right wing evangelical supporters, you'll often hear from them that they hope that God will temper his heart or that he'll have some sort of divine revelation. Some believe that he's already had it, yes, but many are in waiting. Having spent significant time among these people, though a mostly benign strain of them, is that while they may speak like reasonable, rational people, their worldviews are driven by magical thinking. In a very literal way, they see Donald J. Trump as someone influenced by God or someone waiting to be influenced by God. And it takes a long time to wrap your head around the fact that their worldview is driven by the idea that God controls everything and that depending on what strain of magical thinking, their world can conform to many different aspects of theology. Now to get you in the head space of magical thinking in preparation. If you were raised in this culture and don't need it, skip to below where I ask if you have the thinking hat on. I bolded it. For those who can't, some examples of magical thinking to prime you. It's hard, so I have a lot of examples: God punishes the wicked and rewards the good. Now if you've ever read the story of Job, you know that this narrative is pretty bullshit, but at the same time, reinforced in other parts of the bible as literally true. It depends on what you're reading. In this narrative though, God sweeps Job into the air and shows him very plainly that things are ordered in a very specific way and that Job, a good person, is suffering through no wickedness of his own. In fact, it's his goodness that causes him to suffer. Someone who was ordinary in fact may or would not have been targeted. That the wicked may suffer or prosper. Pulling back, I'd say that in terms of cultural development, any religion or culture that resolves this ambivalence that the universe isn't just, no matter how they come to it, has grown up in a way. I view someone who thinks that the wicked will be punished and the good will prosper as naive and childlike, and it's probably what keeps a lot of otherwise ordinary people from murdering their abusers outside of violent suppression. It's a sweet lie about karmic justice. Maybe God doesn't punish the wicked and reward the good, at least in this life. That God isn't concerned with mortal affairs anymore. That things have an order to them. That's what heaven and hell are for, or their analogues. Karma for example serves the same kind of function. Are you suffering? Well, it's part of your karma, be a better person and deal with it. Life sucks? Well you were a poo poo person in a different life. You deserve this, shut up. I even remember reading about old Zen Buddhism recently where if you were born as a woman, you could not gain enlightenment until you were reincarnated as a man because women were inherently unclean and icky and that being a holy man who could gain enlightenment was a guys only club. That or literally getting a certificate of enlightenment that reminded me of how someone might receive Catholic indulgences. I also remember a story about moral absolutism. Consider a recently stillborn or child who couldn't make it to be baptized. In old timey Catholicism, unbaptized children didn't go to Heaven due to original sin. They went to hell. The later compromise was that they went to limbo, even though I don't think that limbo is actually mentioned in the bible. It's just spun out of whole cloth like The Rapture. Though many traditionalist Catholics (tradcats, mentioned because I find their nickname funny) still believe that unbaptized infants go to hell. Now, the theological question largely depends on who you talk to and is largely unresolved save for the fundamentalists, who are at least honest about their theology and making it consistent even if their theology is bad and dumb. Protestant sects primarily believe that children below a certain age (depends on the sect) automatically go to heaven if they die and the reason is largely "for because we said so". Now I mention all of these as a kind of moral absolutism caused by authoritarian magical thinking. God said this stuff in the bible and so it must be moral no matter how immoral it seems. To sketch out magical thinking and the crazy straw logic you need to bend yourself into in order to arrive at something approximating religious truth. Now these concepts are old. Primarily bronze and iron age old, with a few updates, but not many. Apply these to the modern world where we no longer drink from the same water source that we poo poo in and obstetricians wash their hands before delivering babies because their precursors handled corpses too and didn't wash their hands before helping said women deliver said babies. And you'll understand my thoughts on religion. There's a lot of interesting stuff in religion, fascinating really, but morally we've moved on. So while some people are running on those enlightenment era patches to morality and maybe they read some self-help books where it's actually a bad thing to beat your children. Maybe they've even cracked open The Conquest of Bread or something like it. However, a significant portion of the population is still running on bronze and iron age morality and nothing else. The enlightenment and liberal democracy are either extensions of God's will and the founding fathers and General Lee were moral, biblical figures (lol forever) or all of this is sinful and government is icky. Those come with many unresolved moral problems or awful "moral solutions" that get further and further away from our modern condition not just by the generation, but in our rapidly changing world, but the minute. So in the bible for example, you must marry your rapist. Now that's hosed up and no one practices that any more, but it's in there. And out of context it's horrible. But in context it's still horrible, but the context changes. Rape is theft and the theft is the girl's virginity, which damaged her bride price. Since the daughter literally belonged to the father or whatever male head of the household as property, this meant more money out of his pocket when he tried to marry her off. This is because dowries were a thing where the husband gets goods and services and social relations between his family and his in-laws through the wife and her lost virginity literally makes her worth less. It's a major theme in the bible and many curses on women are literally to mess with their fertility. So it's a big deal. And not marrying your rapist, which means something entirely different, consensual, non-consensual, doesn't matter, rape means theft from the man of the house through sexual intercourse. And if the man having sex with another man's unmarried daughter for instance, he needs to marry her. And the why of it is to prevent a blood feud from insulting his honor and his family's honor. Don't gently caress my daughter, but if you do, pay the bride price and a penalty and never set her aside for the rest of your days or I'll loving kill you and your family will loving kill me and this entire stupid, bloody event event could spiral into clan warfare over generations because of sex and honor and wealth. Thankfully people mostly overlook that now, but you do find vestigial parts of patriarchy in the US and other Western nations where the man is supposed to "Ask the father for permission" and the father may say yes or no and the man may or may not accept his decision. If you're ultra right wing and you're a man you may actually try to do violence or even murder the poor kid who has sex with your daughter over honor. It's rare, but in the deep country occasionally some teenage boy gets shot in the back in a "hunting accident" and it's oh so tragic and no one really talks about it much. It's all vestigial honor culture and that used to be a thing basically everywhere. Go elsewhere to where these feelings are strong and you'll see acid flung in the face of women or honor killings over the woman's behavior. The expressions are different, but matters of honor are solved with violence. So I want you to imagine a world where this sort of behavior is rational and common. Not asking a father to marry his daughter, but actually imagine the sort of thinking that permits babies going to hell for being unbaptized and accepting that bad people can rule and good people can suffer because that's the way things are but don't worry, heaven and hell totally exist and everyone will get exactly what they deserve. Trust me. It'll happen. For realsies. I know that it's a hard ask for most of you, but try to suspend your disbelief. Accept this and you will have strayed into the world of magical thinking straight out of bronze and iron age religion, customs and morality. Mix in the traces of racist slave theology, some "Lost Cause" civil war worship where if they are not cast as semi or straight up biblical heroes it's close, military worship and love of capitalism and really, just a lot of bad poo poo. On the other end the outright rejection of biblical text that calls for goodness and kindness and meekness and acceptance of people that they don't consider people (minorities mostly, but it could just be the people from the next county over). What you get is the modern conservative Christian movement. It's way more complicated than that, but I don't want to write a book. Just accept that these people who believe in magical thinking, devoid of realism or rationalism, are currently being appealed to and have been appealed to since the Christian coalition formed around the late 70's, appealed to by Reagan very specifically. They're large, they're organized, they're authoritarian, they're cruel, they're racist, they're irrational even within the scope of their own religious texts, they vote, they cheat and they're violent. Now not all of them conform to what I just said, but a good number of them do and Fox News and Facebook and other social media reinforce this worldview in a way they'd only get in a church or in your local bar which is whites only without the signage. Magical thinking racist death cultists hat on? Meh. I hope it's uncomfortable. Let's finally begin on the chosen one narrative. Comparisons to King David are pretty crucial for the chosen one narrative. A lot of biblical chosen ones were extremely flawed. King David had his own kind of hero's journey. From shepherd to warrior lopping off foreskins to ruler. He was God's favorite. The golden boy. The chosen one. And he made a ton of mistakes. Once when prosecuting one of his wars, he spied a woman bathing on a rooftop. She was married, but he called her up anyway, had sex with her and she got pregnant. When he found out, he called the guy back and told him to basically go have sex with his wife without saying to go have sex with his wife. The man refused, because it would not be fair to his brothers in arms and after a ton of persuading that bounced off this soldier, David sent him the the front lines to the most dangerous fighting and go die and he did. So not only had he hosed his wife and knocked her up, but he sent her husband to go die. Not for the kingdom in a way that was "fair" and "Godly", but to help cover up his crimes. And this is a huge deal because it violated a lot of social and religious and even economic taboos. David gets found out, he gets cursed by God by the prophet Nathan. Some quotes from the bible for you. quote:Now, therefore, the sword will never depart from your house, because you despised me and took the wife of Uriah the Hittite to be your own. Forever wars. quote:"This is what the LORD says: 'Out of your own household I am going to bring calamity on you. Before your very eyes I will take your wives and give them to one who is close to you, and he will sleep with your wives in broad daylight. Your closest friend is going to have sex with your wives in the open, cuckolding you. In the bronze age parlance, it's called "Grinding another man's grain", which I find to be hilarious. Small aside, prudes use flowery language to talk about sex. A lot of talk about feet in the old testament is actually talking about dicks. quote:Then David said to Nathan, "I have sinned against the LORD." Nathan replied, "The LORD has taken away your sin. You are not going to die. God forgives you for your sins. quote:But because by doing this you have shown utter contempt for the LORD, the son born to you will die." But your kid is going to die. So um, a pretty cool moral judgement from God. Good and cool. Forever wars, David gets openly cucked and his next son is going to die. Now remember that Trump is being twisted to this chosen one narrative. Someone also most likely whispered it to him a few times because a few months back he was literally spouting off about being "the chosen one" which probably got a lot of evangelical death cultist "feet" hard or wet or whatever. It's that Trump can be a terrible person and a sinner. Why? Don't you need a Godly man to usher in God's kingdom? No, you don't, because they're alluding to David for a reason. Trump is a sinner, which is acknowledged. God will punish him, he'll be forgiven and he'll then lead the chosen people to greatness. He's still a man, broken and flawed, but he is the vessel for greatness for the chosen people which is basically white supremacist "Christianity". And this is the narrative that right wing "Christians" push in order to get the rest to follow him. Yes, he is a sinful man, but even David was a sinful man. God punishes you and you have to wage some wars and your children will die and you'll be humiliated when you get cucked and bingo bango, you're forgiven. I can't really overstate just how much that Christians think in terms of stories or allegories. It allows people to speak quickly and get heads nodding along while the rest of us don't know what the gently caress is happening. Due to their cultural programming, those stories can be twisted to suit meanings that they were never meant to suit. So when someone says that Trump is a biblical chosen one, it's not word salad. It's evoking a very specific narrative that they've learned and had reinforced for all of their life because the story of David is in the greatest hits album of the bible. A godly, but flawed leader will lead the chosen people to greatness. And the message here is to accept his flaws, because God will punish him when he sins against God and that should be good enough for you. I find that the best way to defuse this magical kind of thinking is by understanding their magical thinking and counteracting with even more magical thinking. I'm no good at deprogramming people and I don't want to even try. The ongoing collapse of Christianity in America is doing that already. It's a thing and I've been pecking at as an essay for about a month now, though mostly I'm just looking at it while I work on other projects. Since I'm versed in this culture and made an effort to be able to speak their "language" for lack of a better term and understand the customs of people who engage in magical thinking, or at least a certain strain of it, I'd talk about all of the bad kings that God sent. That gets traction and it disturbs people who believe in the chosen one narrative. That over a period of about two centuries (208 years) there were 5 good kings and 33 bad kings. And while this isn't from the greatest hits of the bible and the names of Elah, Zimri, Tibni, Ahizah, Athaliah, Shallum, etc aren't well known, most Christians who take their religion seriously, even the death cultists, have heard about the bad kings. That God specifically sent bad kings down to punish the people of Judea but that you can still live rightly in those awful times. But the narrative that I use is that God doesn't just send down your King Davids. Sometimes God sends some evil motherfuckers to punish the chosen people. Only one of the evil kings reigned for a long time, but the good kings reigned for over twenty years while the bad kings usually only reigned for a few years. When speaking to people who thought along these lines I'd say something like, "Trump is not going to see a second term, much like the evil kings did not reign for long. And even if he did reign for long, he would be like Abijah, for he committed all of the sins that his father did before him". Having laid the narrative ground, you can maybe get them to take a look at how big of a piece of poo poo that Fred Trump was and how a lot of the same crimes that Fred Trump committed, Donald Trump committed. The counter-narrative I'd put out is that Donald Trump isn't some chosen one like David. It's that he's an evil king from the time of 5 good kings and 33 bad kings, and that even if his reign is long, he'll be like Abijah. Magical thinking racist death cultist caps off. Hope it wasn't too tight. And that is how you gently caress up a death cultist's magical thinking and how I explain that to a normal person who doesn't understand magical thinking. Magical thinkers don't view the world through what most would consider rationality or reason. That's just going to bounce off them and possibly piss them off. It's by understanding their narratives, unplugging the ones that serve them and plugging in the ones that they hate that works on them best in my experience. It's not simple to understand but once you grasp it you can make them doubt, but if you don' understand magical thinking, even in the abstract, you're absolutely wasting your time trying to convert them to rationality and reasoning. So I keep it simple. Donald Trump isn't some chosen one, a vessel for God's will, sinful but able to be forgiven. He is an evil man and that evil is its own worst enemy. And that you should turn away from him and live your best life in spite of him. And sadly, most of you won't be able to do this. It's hard if you're not raised in the culture. Thankfully, this culture is slated for obscurity as it is only politically relevant, but not culturally relevant. I'll talk about that some other time though. Now for reality. Trump is a narcissist who is addicted to attention. Also a lot of other real drugs, but mostly attention. quote:The key thesis of the book: "However many characters may appear in a story, its real concern is with just one: its hero. It is the one whose fate we identify with, as we see them gradually developing towards that state of self-realization which marks the end of the story. Ultimately it is in relation to this central figure that all other characters in a story take on their significance. What each of the other characters represents is really only some aspect of the inner state of the hero himself." This quote comes from "The Seven Basic Plots", which also reflect our storytelling traditions, though it's not as significant as "Hero with a Thousand Faces". And for an authoritarian narcissist, this is basically how Trump sees everyone around him. They are extensions of himself or they are nobody. He is the only real person in his story. If anyone else is seen as even remotely real, it would be his children and only if he sees them as literal extensions of himself. Everyone around him is to feed him attention and they exist for no other reason. Prester Jane has talked about narcissistic supply before. This isn't just some word that she's made up, but commonly accepted terms for narcissists. Attention is literally a drug for a narcissist. They crave attention to create identity for themselves because it is theorized that they have no internal identity. They can only infer who they are from the attention of other people. However, to become the kind of person they imagine themselves to be, they seek out certain kinds of supply. Perfect love for example would be something they would seek out. Many narcissists have an obsession for it and Trump has been reported to seek perfect love as one of his favorite kinds of supply. Another example is if a narcissist has children, those children will almost always fall into certain types of roles: Golden child, scapegoat, lost child, almost without fail. The golden child will be good no matter what they do. Everything will be perfect about them in the eyes of the narcissist. They could be a total fuckup or they could actually be a wonder kid. Doesn't matter. It's about the narcissistic supply that they leech from them, that attention, the feelings. On the opposite end, the scapegoat will always be bad no matter what they do. They could be a total gently caress-up or be amazing. Doesn't matter. It's about supply. And the lost child just gets ignored. The narcissist is already getting the supply that they want from their children and the lost child literally doesn't matter. If one of the children stops giving supply, the lost child will probably be slotted into one of those roles. Personally I think that the golden child would be Ivanka and the scapegoat would be Don Jr. Usually the first two kids are slotted into golden child and scapegoat roles and it would explain a lot about why Trump is so loving creepy about how he talks about Ivanka and how badly he to treat about Don Jr. He's getting supply from both of them. I'm not positive about the scapegoat, but Ivanka is definitely the golden child by how he treats her. Trump likes pitting people against one another in his cabinet, being surrounded by "big men" and generally being a shithead because he is looking for his favorite kind of drug. It's why he goes to rallies in election off years. He's getting high. And it's why he went to places when those rallies weren't good enough. He goes to the World Series, gets booed, goes to UFC, gets booed,. He's looking for a fix and the kind of fix he wants can only come from an adoring crowd. When he can't get an adoring crowd, he just tries to find a crowd that could potentially adore him no matter how bad the odds are. The drug seeking behavior causes him to crash and burn in hilarious self-owns when he can't get his fix. He can't help but pathetically grope for the narcissistic supply from adoring crowds when his normal crowds no longer do it for him. He's not some chosen one in either the modern or biblical narrative. He's a psychologically damaged old man with a big mouth and access to money. He was seeking attention, his drug of choice, and literally stumbled into the presidency because he told many Americans exactly what they wanted to hear. This created a kind of social contract between authoritarian narcissist and follower, but it's still a contract. There's still a give and take. The "chosen people" see themselves in a specific narrative, biblical or otherwise. And if he doesn't deliver for long enough on his end of the deal, people won't show up for him to give him supply and when that happens, he'll seek it elsewhere. Trump is in charge and he needs to deliver more and more abuse towards the foes of white supremacy for the chosen people, the white supremacists. That happened for a while and people loved him for it, but now it's cooling down because he's no longer delivering like they want him to. His cruelty has largely plateaued. He's not a true believer. He understands the news and media, but the most hilarious and sad thing is that he actually doesn't understand normal people if you listen to him at all. He's disconnected in the extreme. He is all aesthetic and his aesthetic is a child's understanding of what it means to be rich and powerful. He has no substance. He desperately tries to shape attention into substance, but he will never have substance. He is a broken man, devoid of identity. Imagine Trump on a podium, shouting about whatever the gently caress his broken brain remembers from Fox or whatever lie suits him at the time and to his crowd if it's not about racism, it's not exciting. People want more racism, more wall, the next new thing. Trump doesn't have anything new and he has no interest in getting anything new. He doesn't think that far ahead. He's not a competent narcissist. Donald Trump is just trying to get high and his supply is dwindling. Ice Phisherman fucked around with this message at 04:54 on Nov 26, 2019 |
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There are a lot of evangelicals who love Putin for his treatment of gay people and wish US was more like Russia in that area
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Ate My Balls Redux posted:Yes it is. That's gonna come as a huge surprise to the millions of family businesses all around the country.
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Nov 26, 2019 04:21
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Ice Phisherman posted:So as someone who enjoys to write and talks about narrative a lot, I'm going to talk about the chosen one narrative. I'll do my best in terms of what this means in terms of the modern parlance, the biblical parlance and reality. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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For those of you watching Watchmen on HBO... https://www.vox.com/2019/11/25/20981767/watchmen-episode-6-fred-trump-recap Antagonist from Episode 6 was totally Fred Trump. One of the writers all but confirmed it. Random dude: https://twitter.com/darren_mooney/status/1198983257590763521?s=21 Writer from show: https://twitter.com/clairekiechel/status/1198794457660833799?s=21 Slowpoke! fucked around with this message at 04:27 on Nov 26, 2019 |
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Nov 26, 2019 04:25
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Ice Phisherman posted:So as someone who enjoys to write... You, uh.....you aren't kidding.  I think I wrote papers in college shorter than that post.
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Nov 26, 2019 04:26
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:There are a lot of evangelicals who love Putin for his treatment of gay people and wish US was more like Russia in that area During the Obama years it wasn't uncommon for Conservatives in general to go "We need a leader like Putin"
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:There are a lot of evangelicals who love Putin for his treatment of gay people and wish US was more like Russia in that area yeah, that poo poo started appearing back around obama's first term.
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