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yeah the only thing I have to add is that sculpture is hugely broad with what you make with it and what you make it from so like be aware of space and mess. not a problem if you're just messing with a big block of polymer clay, but if it gets out of control you might find yourself, say, staring down an angry deliveryman unloading 800 lbs of smooth-on for your new dildomancy etsy shop.
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So I've become interested in doing woodcut. The first step is learning to draw in that style, however whenever I draw (or trace) by lines aren't thick enough. So I need a thicker pencil/pen/marker(?) but I don't know what size to go for. Any suggestions? reference so you know what size I mean:  Also, I'm looking for tips on how to draw in this style since it's kind of an older style and there aren't many tutorials or anything that can give advice (besides the "trace to get familiar with the style" ones), what terms should I try to search?
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Nov 18, 2019 00:46
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As far as the style goes, while some of that woodcut style was indeed a product of the art trends at the time, most of the "woodcut look" actually comes from the limitations of carving the lines out of wood. Just carving outside of your lines on the woodblock is naturally going to give you that woodcut look because, well, it comes from cutting things out of wood. Also without some kind of dimensions it's not really possible to say how big or small your pen should be, would it break the bank to just buy 3 or 4 sizes up from the one you're currently using and try them until you find the one you want?
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The best way to make something look like a woodcut print is to just make a woodcut print yourself.
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gmc9987 posted:
No it wouldn't, it was more like I just wouldn't want them to go to waste but I suppose I could maybe use them for other things. Thanks! Also, maybe I should just try carving them myself. However it has been fun just learning the fundamentals of drawing
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So, how is everyone doing? what are you working on? what would you like to be working on?
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A while back I lucked into a fairly decent gig that has me making animated .GIFs for a homeschool math program.  "Making vaporwave e-cards for homeschooled teenagers" isn't really where I thought my career would end up when I was getting my degree but whelp, here we are. If I didn't have to worry so much about rent I would be spending a lot more time working on my comic ideas, my Christmas card for this year, and learning more about making a visual novel.
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gmc9987 posted:A while back I lucked into a fairly decent gig that has me making animated .GIFs for a homeschool math program. those look great lol
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sebmojo posted:So, how is everyone doing? what are you working on? what would you like to be working on? I’ve been trying to write proper sonnets in iambic pentameter but so far they’ve all been melodramatic angsty poo poo. I think I’m getting the cadence down with practice? I just need to write more and maybe pick topics less prone to gloom and doom.
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Nov 20, 2019 19:33
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Trying to find a way to turn art into money, failing. 
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sebmojo posted:So, how is everyone doing? what are you working on? what would you like to be working on?  i'm actually really enjoying it though, we are all made in the image of the LORD and so help me i get to see all those facets of human divinity working christmas retail, from the joyous down to the deeply peculiar
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I've been painting this at work on my breaks: I really like the water-filled brushes 'cause it takes me less than a minute to set up and to clean up for maximum drawing time during a break. I also filled one of those brushes with fountain pen ink to get a portable ink brush and so far that's working ok. I've also been working on another pet commission, and I started on a painting for my mom's sister for a christmas present. On top of this, I'm also knitting a pair of socks with a lovely different-shades-of-green yarn. All I wanna draw is vampires, damnit!
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fauna posted:i got a customer service job so for the time being i'm not working on anything Does it drain you too hard? If it's not just a christmas helping job, you'll eventually get used to it and be able to create on your free time.
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I wrote a poem! I'm still freaking out a little about having used 6-syllable lines in a haiku, and in general I feel dumb about how accomplished I feel for writing all of nine lines of poetry, but I haven't done poetry in years and it's a nice feeling.
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Antivehicular posted:I wrote a poem! I'm still freaking out a little about having used 6-syllable lines in a haiku, and in general I feel dumb about how accomplished I feel for writing all of nine lines of poetry, but I haven't done poetry in years and it's a nice feeling. I’m so happy about this post!!! 
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Nov 21, 2019 00:22
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lofi posted:Trying to find a way to turn art into money, failing. Have you tried drawing porn for weirdos on the internet or doing corporate logos on Fiverr for fifty cents an hour?
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Same problem with both - too much competition from people with much lower living costs driving the price way down. Weirdly, I'm making most money from my fine art stuff, which feels very unnatural.
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Sharpest Crayon posted:Does it drain you too hard? If it's not just a christmas helping job, you'll eventually get used to it and be able to create on your free time.
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lofi posted:Same problem with both - too much competition from people with much lower living costs driving the price way down. Weirdly, I'm making most money from my fine art stuff, which feels very unnatural. If you can hit the gallery art market just right, it can get lucrative.
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Star Man posted:If you can hit the gallery art market just right, it can get lucrative. isn't that only in new york tho?
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syntaxrigger posted:isn't that only in new york tho? Santa Fe is the third largest art market in the US, after New York and Los Angeles. It doesn't matter where you're from.
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Nov 21, 2019 19:11
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Wherever there are stupid rich people needing ways to launder money opportunities will follow.
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Star Man posted:Santa Fe is the third largest art market in the US, after New York and Los Angeles. It doesn't matter where you're from. Interesting. I thought it mattered where you laid down your hat. My impression, which I know jack all about art things, was that you wanted to network with the right 'new york people' to then get the evaluations of your art that make rich people drop the cash. I am a software developer by trade and I often thought it would be an interesting project to somehow make art evaluations more transparent and as real-time as possible.
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How would you even begin to do that?
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Well it all depends on what is available. I didn't dig to deeply but I figured that on some level profitable pieces of arts are insured for a specific dollar amount. So I thought about starting there or maybe there is a public record of sold arts for X amount. Then if you get enough information you can use the data to see if certain patterns emerge. It seemed like it would be fun problem but like all seemingly fun problems getting the information is the hard bit. Turns out people don't like to share the useful bits 
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There's definitely publicaly-available auction records in the UK, but that's a lot of data to sift! Also I think everyone would get very upset if you succeeded and invented e-trading-for-art.
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It's probably just a matter of getting out there. Posting work on DeviantArt or Instagram isn't enough. You look for galleries that have a call for work, fill out the application, and submit. They'll say if they're only accepting local work or if you can ship things to them. They'll also tell you what the split is for any of your work that does sell because the gallery gets a cut of that. Getting into galleries usually means that there will be an opening. Going to the opening means you meet the other artists there, thus establishing a network. You just have to get out and meet people. It's possible to do that entirely online through social media, but the world is not that online. You will eventually have to meet people in the real world and talk to each other. If you have crippling social anxiety, then you are cut off of an entire market. Places like New York, Los Angeles, London, and Paris are where the elite of the art world reside. But you can be a successful gallery artist (not rich, but your primary source of income) and live in bumfuck Wyoming like I do. You'll just be successful everywhere else because the art market in Wyoming is so narrow, but if it's the place you want to be, you can still be successful. You just travel a lot more frequently.
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Artist famousness: moderate plus, +3000 to the price. Art age: not old enough to be classic, not new enough to be modern -450 Art Style: Pretentious but Competent +1500 Art Condition: smelly tobacco stains, but might be part of the art? -50 Selling Spot: Urban, well-off +20000 Bonuses: Bullshit Legend tied to the art: Artist cut off a body part to make piece +700 Easy To Display (no gory bits actively hanging off or requiring dusting, simple colour scheme) +200 Artist near death (it's an investment!) +70 Thank you for using ART-E-VALUATION!
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So is that the process you use to value your own work?
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casual poster posted:
If you've never done block printing before, wood is going to be a pain. Try using Styrofoam first to get a feel for printing in general, if you can afford it I'd also recommend getting a basic linoleum block printing kit. And definitely keep working on drawing! The first step towards a good print is a good drawing.
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lofi posted:There's definitely publicaly-available auction records in the UK, but that's a lot of data to sift! Nah. Once you structure the data it is pretty trivial to do operations on it. As long as it is public software and good data modeling can do the rest. I wanted to do less of e-trading and more of data visualization on artistic movements and attributes in art. Also art evaluation is very subjective so that can lend to a lot of "scammy" behavior. My last motivator is sort of hard to describe but is centered around some of the more egregious flaws of capitalism. Example: If someone designs a pair of jeans and sells them for $5000. I have a real hard time believing there is $5000 worth of value in those jeans. It isn't zero and it isn't $5000, so how do you tease away actual value for an arbitrary thing from hype and luxury good marketing? I think this is solvable or at least able to be mathematically modelled.
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I'm not sure it is solvable - I think any system you made would just be a reflection of your own biases, of what you defined 'real value' as to the algorithm. For starters, real value clearly varies between people or we'd all be saving for $5000 jeans. Even if it was theoretically possible, there's a hilarious amount of factors that could be (but could not be) relevant, how would you decide which to include?
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Maybe so. That is where the numerical analysis of the art market comes in. If I am right there will be patterns between the prices and attributes of the paintings themsevles. These patterns would be where I'd start the process of discovering which are the relevant factors. I don't believe the amount of factors would be as large as you imply. A lot of factors that seem important probably aren't like a 0.00006% difference in a hue of blue used. This is all a moot point. While I have a rather insistent intuition about this why bother? I'd probably be the only one that cares and I am still trying to work out how to value my own ideas as something worth putting effort towards. I can see the path in front of me for such a project and the effort required to answer a nagging question doesn't seem worth it.
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Yeah, that's always a really tricky question, how important to me is this. Of course, being a proper goon, nothing is important to me and I don't value anything, therefore
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The high-end art market these days is also stupid because you've got a lot of newly rich people buying up stuff for status and investing, so trying to put any academic logic to it is probably folly.
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I think that is what Banksy was trying to show with his southebys piece. The art he made was his classic girl holding the balloon which is a template and spray paint, so most anyone could make it. Then he rigged it to destroy itself after it was sold. He knew it was going to be sold and that after it was destroyed it would go up in value. To my thinking the whole point was to show how absurd the process is.
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Star Man posted:So is that the process you use to value your own work? Lol I'd never sell anything at a gallery price, my traditional arts are not what you'd call art that sells. I got a flat hourly rate for my digital work.
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Apologies in advance if this post comes off as self-pitying, but: what do people here do to push through creative plateaus? For the past few months or so, I feel like my writing has been kind of stuck. Not in a writer's-block sense -- I can get ideas and write them -- but in the sense that things don't feel very inspired, and the final product is just kind of... okay. Writing isn't miserable or anything, but the experience and product just feel workmanlike, and it's discouraging to think that I'm just barfing out Okay Words and not writing anything of real value. I know the answer is probably that I'm just on a plateau at the moment and need to keep writing and pushing through it, but I'd appreciate some advice.
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Sharpest Crayon posted:I've been painting this at work on my breaks: Want that painting
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When you are beginning in drawing how long should someone spend on drawing any one thing when practicing? Or what is a reasonable amount of time? Should you stick with the same subject in two practice sessions?
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